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Old Posted Apr 7, 2007, 10:12 PM
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I'm not worried about this project stalling. Unless our economy starts sucking tremendously in the next year, x/o will be built. I know all of us here are NIMBY haters (rightfully so), but i think most people are looking too far into this. Fioretti is most likely winning the runoff, and if he doesn't there technically isn't much if anything haithcock can do. I think we all need to cool down, because there is little to worry about here.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 7, 2007, 10:21 PM
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Anybody else wondering wondering about this? I'm guessing the glass for the residential floors is on its way from somewhere in Asia.....
Bart3's pics of Momo show a lot of glass panes that are boarded up by plywood. Is that a normal level of breakage? Or are they having some sort of problem that's causing a slowdown?

Also, Parkview West's glass is amazing. That's what I expected to see when Trump's glass went in. I see they're not installing pre-assembled curtain wall sections, though, but individual panes of glass. Is that a factor in getting the higher quality glass?
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 7, 2007, 10:30 PM
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These people keep comenting on the historic character of the neighborhood; what historic character? Do they mean the dozen mansions left in the area? The area hasn't been historic for 50 years, if not longer. It should have never been designated a historic district. The individual houses should have been landmarked.
BVic, I completely agree with most of your points. My main complaint? Where the hell were all these people when 90% of the beautiful South Side was being torn down and thrown into a landfill? If someone who had been living there the whole time, fighting to keep his neighborhood intact, was voicing these complaints, I might perk up.

However, I want to explain the landmark district thing. It is actually very good that these buildings are in a landmark district instead of being individual landmarks, because it offers the city some degree of control over the scale and quality of buildings built along Prairie. Additionally, the Commission often uses this as a means to protect buildings that are important as a cluster, but (alas) would not meet their ridiculously high standards as individual landmarks.

Still, the people around here are GROSSLY exaggerating the size and scope of this landmark district. It in no way covers the X/O site or anything north of 18th. If it had extended to their own crappy houses in the "Prairie District Townhomes," we'd all be looking at a much higher quality development over there... my point is that it is rather small, and is basically already built-out.

TransitEngr, that was a marvelous post! I thoroughly enjoyed it.

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Old Posted Apr 7, 2007, 10:33 PM
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I really love the design of this building, but has anyone noticed that the opaqueness of the glass on the lower floors so far make this building look as if it was constructed in the 60's early 70's. everytime i pass or go by this building i cant help but think thats what this looks like
The spandrel glass was originally supposed to be steel panels, but the cost of steel drove the price up to a point where finding something else was necessary.

I really don't understand your complaint though. The whole building is a throwback to International Style modernism of the 1950s and 1960s - design, massing, detailing, even the elevator penthouses. I personally think that's great. I'd love to see something more progressive there, of course, but I'll take it any day over the crap PoMo or simply confused stuff we've been seeing too much of around here.

Why does the spandrel glass look retro? We didn't use very much of it in Chicago during the period you speak of - it was more popular in New York and elsewhere. It reminds me more of the Hotel Sofitel (my favorite 1990s building here) than anything else.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 7, 2007, 10:42 PM
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Bart3's pics of Momo show a lot of glass panes that are boarded up by plywood. Is that a normal level of breakage? Or are they having some sort of problem that's causing a slowdown?

Also, Parkview West's glass is amazing. That's what I expected to see when Trump's glass went in. I see they're not installing pre-assembled curtain wall sections, though, but individual panes of glass. Is that a factor in getting the higher quality glass?
Trump Tower isn't a pre-assembled curtain wall, they are individual panes. The glass on Parkview West is just of better quality. MCL didn't cheap out on it suprisingly enough where as Trump did. Go figure.
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Old Posted Apr 7, 2007, 11:06 PM
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BVic, maybe I'm using the wrong term. Trump is hanging panels that have glass already contained in a metal frame. Whereas Parkview West appears to be installing the metal frame first, then installing the glass.
That's what I meant by Trump being pre-assembled. What is the correct terminology?
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 7, 2007, 11:28 PM
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BVic, maybe I'm using the wrong term. Trump is hanging panels that have glass already contained in a metal frame. Whereas Parkview West appears to be installing the metal frame first, then installing the glass.
That's what I meant by Trump being pre-assembled. What is the correct terminology?
I see what you are saying. I don't believe that has anything to do with it. It just depends on how much the developer is willing to pay for the quality of the glass.
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BVic, I completely agree with most of your points. My main complaint? Where the hell were all these people when 90% of the beautiful South Side was being torn down and thrown into a landfill? If someone who had been living there the whole time, fighting to keep his neighborhood intact, was voicing these complaints, I might perk up.
Most of them were living off in the baby incubator sprawl burbs, where from birth they were indoctornated into thier greedy, self-indulgent attitude as a culture. Places where any modern construction is so souless and deviod of creativity, the cookie-cutter rows of "neo-traditional" throwback houses of the vynal frontier actually look warm and welcoming. Of course thier homes need 14 gabels to convey that phoney arua of history and to hide the fact the front facade is swallowed by a garage with a foot print nearly equal in square feet; which by chance is filled with so much stuff by them maxing out thier credit the enormous wider than a city lot driveway out front resembels a SUV dealership.

This is where these whynnie pussies come from. Where thier senses have been deliduded of good urban design and live by doing the next hip thing. So they move to the city and bring thier selfish nature with them and refuse to change thier former ways. They come with thier entilement attitudes to preserve the peace and quiet they enjoyed for years. They come with thier SUVs, still driving just a few blocks circeling the block endlessly for a space to rest the beast while praying to the parking God. They refuse to take the CTA because they are too good for it or too affriad of the "other" city people. So they continue to bitch about parking, bitch about traffic even though they caused these issues. They bitch about construction noise, but yet they too are part of the construction boom. They bitch about lost views, but thier own building blocked someone else's view. They bitch about the changing "context" of thier precoius neighborhood, when they themselfs are newcommers.

The rest of us have to deal with compromised dumbed down designs making a mockery of our heritage and must wtch perfectly good historic buildings fall, all to suit the architectural "taste" of the idoits from the land of blandola. We have to sit on bus longer because of the SUV conga lines looking for cheap parking. Trying to get them to see the other light is often like talking to a brick wall, as thier entitled self thinks they are always right, acting on impulse rather than rational thought.

I think we can all be thankful of the fact the idoits do not have as much power as they do in other cities, and the fact all the cardboard houses marching across the limited supply of class A farmland serves as a holding pen preventing more of the idoits from transplanting to the city. I welcome anyone from the suburbs or abroad to come embark yourself in the grand urban glory of Chicago, but if you are one of these idoits who refuses to embrace the city, then please go fuck the home and stop ruining it for the rest of us.

There, I feel better. Please note the blanket statements are loaded with sarcasim. I myself was born and raised on the vynal frontier. The city to me is an escape from it. I am just really tired of these idoits, thank god they are still a minority.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2007, 12:10 AM
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Parkview West




This glass is nothing short of fantastic. This building is a perfect example of how truley elegant a new stand alone high rise can be. Park View West is going to be gorgous slender beauty, freed from the parking blob podium conviently placed underground and planted with a new public park for us to relax in and enjoy the new cityscape of what was an urban backwater of windswept surface parking and aging industrial buildings.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2007, 12:30 AM
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^ Yeah, it's turning out great. After this, 340, and the Streeter, I have newfound hope in SCB. It's turning out to be a very subtle and graceful tower. McLean - like Magellan across the river - seems to be attempting to make up for his urban blunders earlier in the boom.

Now, bring on the copper facade! It could make or break this tower.

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BVic, maybe I'm using the wrong term. Trump is hanging panels that have glass already contained in a metal frame. Whereas Parkview West appears to be installing the metal frame first, then installing the glass.
That's what I meant by Trump being pre-assembled. What is the correct terminology?
The Trump Tower system is what one calls a "unitized" curtain wall. The other kind (piece-by-piece) is usually called simply a "stick" system.

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I live at 780 S. Federal and my unit faces the Terrapin Clark St. site. I sleep until 10:00 - 10:30AM. Except for a period of 8-10 days about 3 weeks ago, the pile driving as been fairly minimal. Even at its noisiest, once it hit a steady beat, I was able to fall back to sleep (lulled by the comforting sounds of progress). Some people complain about anything.
     
     
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Most of them were living off in the baby incubator sprawl burbs, where from birth they were indoctornated into thier greedy, self-indulgent attitude as a culture. Places where any modern construction is so souless and deviod of creativity, the cookie-cutter rows of "neo-traditional" throwback houses of the vynal frontier actually look warm and welcoming. Of course thier homes need 14 gabels to convey that phoney arua of history and to hide the fact the front facade is swallowed by a garage with a foot print nearly equal in square feet; which by chance is filled with so much stuff by them maxing out thier credit the enormous wider than a city lot driveway out front resembels a SUV dealership.

This is where these whynnie pussies come from. Where thier senses have been deliduded of good urban design and live by doing the next hip thing. So they move to the city and bring thier selfish nature with them and refuse to change thier former ways. They come with thier entilement attitudes to preserve the peace and quiet they enjoyed for years. They come with thier SUVs, still driving just a few blocks circeling the block endlessly for a space to rest the beast while praying to the parking God. They refuse to take the CTA because they are too good for it or too affriad of the "other" city people. So they continue to bitch about parking, bitch about traffic even though they caused these issues. They bitch about construction noise, but yet they too are part of the construction boom. They bitch about lost views, but thier own building blocked someone else's view. They bitch about the changing "context" of thier precoius neighborhood, when they themselfs are newcommers.

The rest of us have to deal with compromised dumbed down designs making a mockery of our heritage and must wtch perfectly good historic buildings fall, all to suit the architectural "taste" of the idoits from the land of blandola. We have to sit on bus longer because of the SUV conga lines looking for cheap parking. Trying to get them to see the other light is often like talking to a brick wall, as thier entitled self thinks they are always right, acting on impulse rather than rational thought.

I think we can all be thankful of the fact the idoits do not have as much power as they do in other cities, and the fact all the cardboard houses marching across the limited supply of class A farmland serves as a holding pen preventing more of the idoits from transplanting to the city. I welcome anyone from the suburbs or abroad to come embark yourself in the grand urban glory of Chicago, but if you are one of these idoits who refuses to embrace the city, then please go fuck the home and stop ruining it for the rest of us.

There, I feel better. Please note the blanket statements are loaded with sarcasim. I myself was born and raised on the vynal frontier. The city to me is an escape from it. I am just really tired of these idoits, thank god they are still a minority.

Very well stated. Also, we could use some balanced neighborhood papars in downtown and near-downtown neighborhoods. The ones we have are often so biased in favor of NIMBYs it's sickening...
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I was recently thinking the same thing but then noticed on the SSC board that someone had mentioned that there is a protective coating on the glass? I am guessing/hoping that the glass will be much more transparent when this coating is removed?
By the look of it, I was also guessing there is a coating that would be removed - just the way it looks to me...
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I'm not worried about this project stalling. Unless our economy starts sucking tremendously in the next year, x/o will be built. I know all of us here are NIMBY haters (rightfully so), but i think most people are looking too far into this. Fioretti is most likely winning the runoff, and if he doesn't there technically isn't much if anything haithcock can do. I think we all need to cool down, because there is little to worry about here.

Agree - there's probably no way anyone could lawfully stop the project......

Also, Tower II officially goes on sale in about 1 month!!
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Northwestern Memorial has decided on a long-term lease of 150,000 sq ft in Streeterville (Time-Life Building) for administrative operations, rather than moving them to the West Loop. Hooray for the growth of this institution.

But would it have been better for them to go to West Loop? Discuss.

http://chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=24510
     
     
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During my own contact with the zoning and planning people with the city, i really don't get the impression that any alderman will really be able to muster up any power to actually block any high profile building project.

The city staff really exudes a pro-build attitude, you can tell they know they have the mayor's power behind them. Considering i was working on a small manufacturing expansion project, i can only speculate as to the amount of cooperation that a sweet proposal, as x/o is, would get.

The x/o buildings do appear to be a fantastic addition to the city's architectural portfolio. I doubt that Daley's golden development hand won't push this project where it needs to be to get built. Besides, if the project is in compliance with the zoning ordinance, then it should be just fine. I put my money on the developer's lawyers versus anything haithcock could come up with.

Regardless, if any other of my south loop buddies catch wind of a 2nd ward public hearing, post it here or PM me about it.

And now, a charming anecdote...
The danger of not welcoming and embracing change to an area (as those prairie dist. people want to do) is that change is inevitable, a guaranteed event, it will happen whether you want it to or not. If you don’t work with it, it will consume you. A good way to lose the row houses those people love is to not allow the area to grow, become stagnate, and then descend into disarray. Maintaining the viability of an area is the best way to ensure the future existence of the community. (rock on Jane Jacobs)
Anyone here who knows about Long Grove, could observe this first-hand. They opposed development for so long that they lost out on all the good development that was happening around them. Eventually, they ran out of residential tax money and needed sales tax dollars. By the time they realized this, big boxes like CostCo & CVS were the only businesses willing to move in there. Had they taken a pro-change stand, the fantastic (by suburb standards) Deer Park center could have been in long grove. Instead they get white-trash-o-rama.
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Northwestern Memorial has decided on a long-term lease of 150,000 sq ft in Streeterville (Time-Life Building) for administrative operations, rather than moving them to the West Loop. Hooray for the growth of this institution.

But would it have been better for them to go to West Loop? Discuss.

http://chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=24510
My question has to do with the amount of space. In the earlier media reports, the amount of back-office space Northwestern was in the market for was quoted at around 500,000 sf........so either they re-evaluated their needs since then, or they still need quite a bit more...
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^ Hmm, here's to hoping they haven't decided to outsource to El Paso or Belfast or Mumbai...
     
     
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New Supertalls in the pipeline

It's pretty amazing to think about how many supertalls are currently under construction, with the Trump Tower, Waterview, Legacy, Aqua, 300 North Lasalle, etc....not to mention, hopefully the Spire, MO, and Park Michigan will be underway in the not-to-distant future as well. But what might be just as amazing, is that from certain posts I read from time to time, we might get AT LEAST a few more supertalls in this building boom.

I wanted to make a post that organized all the rumored supertalls out there, which haven't been formally proposed (and don't even have a design yet - or at least hasn't been made public). There may be even a few more rumored supertalls in the pipeline (or other future supertalls that hardly anyone knows about yet), but this is what I could think of, so far: (and feel free to add to the list!)

- the Arquitectonica tower in LSE
- possibly another supertall in LSE? (I can't remember if there were other supertalls rumored to go up in LSE, in addition to the Arquitectonica one)
- the two Museum Park towers on Roosevelt, between Michigan and Indiana
- the tower that Carley will be developing on Illinois and Columbus
- the tower on Lake and Canal, just west of the river (I can't remember who is developing this and if it is office or residential)
- the mystery tower that Pandemonious mentioned
- a second tower by Trump (although it's possible that this could be same development that Pandemonious referred to)
- I was thinking about including the Beitler tower as well, but it seems like this tower is highly unlikely

So if you add a few of these possible supertalls (and perhaps a few more that haven't been concocted yet) to the mix of supertalls already under construction and that have been proposed, and our skyline is going to look amazing in 5-6 years! (not that it isn't amazing already)
     
     
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^Is the SOM - Franklin Point project rumored to be a supertall?
     
     
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