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Old Posted Feb 1, 2007, 1:54 AM
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No, sorry, it wasn't me. But, I'm interested in what may be going on over there!

You might be able to ascertain information as to the owners of the property from Travis County Appraisal District's website or the Travis County Tax Office.
Thanks for the info. Basically the Travis building @ Guadalupe and 18th has been in the hands of a company that intends to build a hotel. They have also purchased the apartment building to the west. (last tenents out by March). Rumor has it they were after the "Dog and Duck" property as well. Someone on the forum said they were able to find out that property was sold in the past year.... but to a different owner..... just tryin' to figure out what's going on in the 'hood. Happy to see the develoment in the area... sad to think D and D might have a limited shelf life! I'll keep folks posted.
     
     
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Seaholm Power redevelopment update...



Austin nearer to transforming Seaholm

City to get look at plans for $100 million redevelopment while negotiating final public-private deal.



By Shonda Novak
AUSTIN AMERICAN-STATESMAN
Thursday, February 01, 2007


Developers are expected to roll out today their vision for a mixed-use project that would transform the former Seaholm Power Plant into shops, offices, a hotel and condominiums by 2009.

The Austin City Council will get its first look at a new rendering of the project, which features a modern design while retaining the distinctive Art Deco building and its five signature smokestacks.

The decommissioned 1940s plant sits on about 8 acres along West Cesar Chavez Street overlooking Town Lake.

An adjacent 22-story residential/hotel tower and two-story office building also would have a modern design but with an Art Deco flavor.

The project is a joint venture between the City of Austin and Seaholm Power LLC, which the city in 2005 tapped as its partner to oversee redevelopment of the landmark site.

Construction, which would cost more than $100 million, is expected to begin this fall. The first parts of the project are expected to open in mid-2009.

The rendering illustrates just how dramatic the transformation of the iconic plant and surrounding land would be.

The 136,000-square-foot building that housed the power plant would have 99,000 square feet of rentable retail space, with a mix of local, regional and national tenants plus restaurants and cafes.

The residential/hotel tower would loom over the original Seaholm structure, featuring 60 condo units on the top seven floors of a 160-room boutique hotel. The condo owners would have concierge and valet services and other amenities of the hotel.

The project also would include a two-story office building with 62,000 square feet. Two terraces will be used by residents of the hotel and condos, as well as the public.

More than 3 acres of the site would be preserved as as green space. Seaholm also would be a transportation hub, with future commercial rail connections, including a line between Austin and San Antonio.

Southwest Strategies Group, an Austin-based commercial real estate company, is leading the redevelopment team. Seaholm Power LLC is in the final stages of negotiating a development agreement with the City of Austin for the project.

"This is an historic event and an opportunity for saving a slice of Austin's history," said John Rosato, managing partner of Seaholm Power LLC. "It's the first time that the city has entered into a public-private venture for the sole purpose of saving an iconic building in Austin."

Assistant City Manager Laura Huffman said, "We view this as a pivotal opportunity for revitalizing downtown" and realizing a longtime goal for a transit hub at Seaholm.

Huffman said the city will make "significant investments in the project," although details are still being worked out.

Huffman said increased property and sales taxes generated from the development would be used to fund the city's portion of the project, which will be spelled out in the development agreement.

Once those investments are paid off, the city would devote 40 percent of the incremental property taxes to affordable housing, Huffman said.

Rosato said other community benefits of the redevelopment include the planned extension of West Second Street to Seaholm.

Two other Austin-based companies, Centro Partners and La Corsha Hospitality Group, round out the redevelopment team.

Centro would develop the condos. Units could cost from about $450,000 for about 1,200 square feet to more than $1 million for the largest 3,000-square-foot units, Rosato said.

Jeff Trigger, former managing director of the historic Driskill Hotel in downtown Austin, would oversee the construction, management and operations of the Seaholm Plaza Hotel, to be built just north of the former power plant, through La Corsha, his newly formed hotel management and consulting company.

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...The decommissioned 1940s plant sits on about 8 acres along West Cesar Chavez Street overlooking Town Lake.
I thought Seaholm was built in 1950. In fact the website said it was built between 1950 and 58. Was there a pre-existing power generator there by chance in the 40's?
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By the way, I meant to ask when this image was posted a few days ago what that building is that's located just west of Seaholm on the north side of the Lamar Bridge. I'm assuming it was that apartment or condo complex that was to be developed on that property. What I find interesting is that the shape of it looks pretty specific, yet I don't recall any renderings. Is there anything out on that?
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Didn't the original design of the Seaholm plant have the office in a tower on the back of the property? I thought there was going to be a plaza between the office tower/hotel tower and the Seaholm plant.
     
     
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By the way, I meant to ask when this image was posted a few days ago what that building is that's located just west of Seaholm on the north side of the Lamar Bridge. I'm assuming it was that apartment or condo complex that was to be developed on that property. What I find interesting is that the shape of it looks pretty specific, yet I don't recall any renderings. Is there anything out on that?
Yes, those two buildings to the west of the Seaholm site are an apartment and condo project. The apartment part would be 10 floors while the condo tower would be 195 feet with 15 floors. The name is Gables Park Plaza. It would also build a new street add an addition to the Lamar pedestrian bridge.

So far, the below image is the only rendering we've seen of the project. This was posted in the paper early last year. Check the first page of this thread for renderings of Austin's projects. There's a bunch.
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Those two projects plus the water treatment plan are huge. Not just because they bring more people downtown, but they really will open up the West end South of 5th street and connect it with the rest of downtown. Right now its kinda cut off from the rest of the CBD.

Getting around downtown will become much easier and projects like 360 and Spring will no longer be on the outskirts of the beaten path... this will also serve to connect the West end much more efficiently with the hike and bike trail, auditorium shores, zilker and the retail on that side of the river... which is huge considering how many condos are supposed to go in that part of downtown.
     
     
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KVUE seems to be running a story on the 630 news about downtown growth..

they seem to be using someone on this sites photoshops (or they made their own).. their tag line was "See why Austin is going to be more like Houston".. usual BS comparing dense development to being a "big dirty city" when denser development helps curbe urban sprawl.

I'll update with the actual story once they run it.

Edit: No story.. maybe it was a tease for their late news.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 2, 2007, 3:28 PM
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^ Yep.

This was kind of funny. I sort of sympathize with what he's saying.

From the Austin American-Statesman
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/02/02/2kelso.html

COMMENTARY: JOHN KELSO
Look: Up in the sky: it's a bunch of yuppie Austonians


Friday, February 02, 2007

Second Congress Ltd. is laying a large egg by planning to put a new high-dollar 55-story condo tower at Second Street and Congress Avenue.

Don't these people realize that Perrier goes flat above 44 stories?

It's not just the height of this building — 22 stories higher than the Frost Bank Tower, the tallest building in town — that bothers me. Nor is it the price: units running from $500,000 to more than $1 million. Nor is it the tony amenities: resort-style pool, promenade sundeck, concierge service.

It's the name: The Austonian. Isn't that a bit too close to Bostonian? Since when did people who live in Austin become Austonians? Last I heard we were Austinites.

The Austonian. Noses are rising as we speak. Why would someone come up with such a pretentious tag?

"We felt like it portrayed what the building is going to stand for, and we thought that was a very strong name that sets off the stage that it is a very strong building with all the amenities and the array of people that it will hopefully entice," said Shannon Windham, of Gottesman Residential, the company selling the condos.

Oh.

In other words, a bunch of yuppies sat around a big table to come up with this name while Starbucks shot out their noses.

The Austonian disturbs me because it could change the term we use to define Austin residents. On the other hand, it may be time for our city's inhabitants to get a new tag. With all the monied snoots moving in to fill up all these condos going up downtown, we have a brand-new class of people here.

So how do you tell an Austinite from an Austonian?

If you have Lone Star, you're an Austinite. If you have OnStar, you're an Austonian.

If you think it's OK to take your dog to a bar, you're an Austinite. If you think it's OK to take your dog to a bar in your purse, you're an Austonian.

If the Valle in your life is preceded by Del, you're an Austinite. If the valet in your life is parking your Acura and you own a piece of Dell, you're an Austonian.

If you call it I-35, you're an Austinite. If you call it THE I-35, you're an Austonian.

If you've got a beer koozie, you're an Austinite. If you've got a Jacuzzi, you're an Austonian.

If it bothered you when the 'Dillo closed, you're an Austinite. If it bothered you when that silly-looking Warehouse District bar called Oslo closed, you're an Austonian.

If you think it's acceptable to pay $3.25 for an order of tortilla chips and salsa, you're an Austonian. If you think the owner should be caned for charging anything at all for chips and salsa, you're an Austinite.
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You know, calling a building in Austin the Austonian is like calling a San Antonio building the San Antinian. It's just a little bizarre.
     
     
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Spring - Anticipated Prices

I just received the anticipated pricing for the Spring project. (I have been on their reservation list for over 18 months). I must say I am very depressed. I guess I was planning for expensive, just not ridiculous!

Below is a summary table.

Unit Size Price Range Price/sq.ft
A 576 $235,000 $310,000 $408-$538
B 699 $315,000 $385,000 $451-$551
C 995 $445,000 $540,000 $447-$543
D 1039 $465,000 $540,000 $448-$520
E 1616 $790,000 $920,000 $489-$569
F 1720 $825,000 $950,000 $480-$552

Is the market really going to support $500/sf condos in Austin?
     
     
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Affordable Luxury? Average $525 PSF for Spring/360

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I just received the anticipated pricing for the Spring project. (I have been on their reservation list for over 18 months). I must say I am very depressed. I guess I was planning for expensive, just not ridiculous!

Below is a summary table.

Unit Size Price Range Price/sq.ft
A 576 $235,000 $310,000 $408-$538
B 699 $315,000 $385,000 $451-$551
C 995 $445,000 $540,000 $447-$543
D 1039 $465,000 $540,000 $448-$520
E 1616 $790,000 $920,000 $489-$569
F 1720 $825,000 $950,000 $480-$552

Is the market really going to support $500/sf condos in Austin?
Spring was promoted as "Affordable Luxury," with reasonable prices. These prices are insane. Two "Springs" ago Perry Lorenz and his band of fools said prices would be $300-350 PSF. Expect the same bait-and-switch from Novare 360.
     
     
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I just received the anticipated pricing for the Spring project. (I have been on their reservation list for over 18 months). I must say I am very depressed. I guess I was planning for expensive, just not ridiculous!
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I am also on the reservation list, but only for about 6 months. (My reservation agreement hints at #690, currently out of 780 as the Austonian article mentions.)

I thought there was a interesting twist to the packet Spring reservation holders received in the mail yesterday. In addition to the pricing list, there is a postage-paid card addressed to Spring. On it, there is a list of Residences A-F with a checkbox next to each, and a request to check off the Residence you are most interested in. Curiously enough, your name & place in line is coded on the postcard, and it goes on to say that it MUST be returned by 2/14, less than two weeks from now.

What is this? In an accompanying letter, Spring doesn't mention this being a requirement -- it uses the word "please" but nothing more concrete. A postcard doesn't exactly sound binding, which leaves me to think it's purely information only.

Or is it? To give Spring a little credit, it's not only a smart move to poll the base to see which units are most in demand, but also it's a brilliant tactic to generate demand through pressure of time. Remember, this is the first time reservation holders have seen even ballpark prices, and now they are being asked to signal intent to commit to a residence, with less than 2 weeks' time to think about it. Even being nonbinding, the postcard serves as a driver for folks to take action. Honey, they're asking us to pick a unit...we need to make up our minds. Furthermore, limiting the time to commit (even unofficially) has been scientifically shown to lower cognitive capacity. With less than 2 weeks, people will not deliberate for very long before the postcard's deadline, and the emotional lure of living downtown may play right into the seller's hands. All in all, I found this to be an extremely clever sales tactic on the part of Spring.

(BTW, first post. I only stumbled on this page last week, but I'm thrilled to dicover a forum where people are discussing Austin's downtown projects. Some of the rendering are simply amazing guys. Keep up the great work)
     
     
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All along they have called the below project an "8-story" building, but I don't see any 8 floors. I count 6 tops. I believe they're saying it's 80 feet tall. By that logic The Austonian would be 70 stories!

Anyways...click the below link to see the rendering and map.

From the Austin American-Statesman
http://www.statesman.com/business/content/business/stories/realestate/02/03//3downtown.html

REAL ESTATE
Condos likely to sprout near Capitol
Developer of 8-story project is planning underground parking and street-level stores.

By Shonda Novak
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF


Saturday, February 03, 2007

A mid-rise luxury condominium project is headed downtown, two blocks from the Capitol.

Developers plan to break ground on the $50 million project, the Metropolitan, in late March. The site at 311 E. 11th St. is a parking lot behind the VFW office building at East 11th Street and San Jacinto Boulevard.

The developer, the Mote Group, plans a chic, eight-story building with units priced from the mid-$300,000s for about 900 square feet to more than $1 million for the larger penthouses, two-story glass lofts with private roof gardens. The project is expected to take two years to build, opening in 2009.

The Metropolitan is one of a dozen or so residential projects planned or under construction downtown, a building boom spurred by continued demand for urban living.

Most units will have balconies, and residents will have concierge and valet services, along with amenities that include a private club, the Fountainhead.

Parking will be on six levels underground, and the building will have street-level retail.

Thomas Mote, president of the Mote Group, said he expects buyers to include lobbyists and Capitol workers.

Austin-based Noack-Little Architects Inc. is designing the building. Clay Little, a principal with the firm, said the design aims to create an "architectural landmark suitable for the vibrant and exciting culture that is Austin."

Several other projects are under way nearby, including the Red River Flats, a luxury apartment project under construction on Red River Street, and Brazos Place, an office building that is being converted to condo- miniums.

Density "is necessary amid ever-increasing demand for a lifestyle in Austin's urban core," said Gregg Bell, chief financial officer of Pauly Presley Realty Corp., the marketing firm for the project. "There's only so much land."
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I just received the anticipated pricing for the Spring project. (I have been on their reservation list for over 18 months). I must say I am very depressed. I guess I was planning for expensive, just not ridiculous!

Below is a summary table.

Unit Size Price Range Price/sq.ft
A 576 $235,000 $310,000 $408-$538
B 699 $315,000 $385,000 $451-$551
C 995 $445,000 $540,000 $447-$543
D 1039 $465,000 $540,000 $448-$520
E 1616 $790,000 $920,000 $489-$569
F 1720 $825,000 $950,000 $480-$552

Is the market really going to support $500/sf condos in Austin?
Any word in the packet about how much the monthly fees will be? Are we looking at $500/month in condo fees on top of these prices?

Personally, I don't think the market supports these prices if all of the projects in the pipeline get built. Condo sellers aren't stupid though. By pricing the units this high, they are taking away the profits from any potential flippers in the reservation queue.
     
     
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Any word in the packet about how much the monthly fees will be? Are we looking at $500/month in condo fees on top of these prices?

Personally, I don't think the market supports these prices if all of the projects in the pipeline get built. Condo sellers aren't stupid though. By pricing the units this high, they are taking away the profits from any potential flippers in the reservation queue.
Very interesting. Condos in the hottest DC neighborhoods are coming in at $527 a sf. In Chicago you could easily grab a condo in a swank high rise for at least $100 sf. less.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when Spring was first proposed, weren't they saying things about how this affordable building would give people like teachers and policemen the opportunity to own a downtown condo?
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Spring/360 "Bait and Switch"

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Very interesting. Condos in the hottest DC neighborhoods are coming in at $527 a sf. In Chicago you could easily grab a condo in a swank high rise for at least $100 sf. less.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when Spring was first proposed, weren't they saying things about how this affordable building would give people like teachers and policemen the opportunity to own a downtown condo?
That's what they said - "affordable luxury." Same tactic at 360. Hopefully, potential buyers will see that the units at Spring and 360 are way overpriced and not very "luxurious." Unfortunately, it seems the condo industry still relies heavily on "ignorance." I'm not sure realtors even understand condo pricing.

Real high-rise "Luxury" condos in Dallas average about $450 PSF. At these prices the market absorbs about 1,000 units a year. For many reasons Austin is certainly no Dallas (thankfully), but for Spring and 360 to be priced higher than the W in Dallas is insane. (Come on, we're smarter than that Perry and Taylor. Rethink your pricing - you don't have enough buyers in Austin).

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[QUOTE Come on, we're smarter than that Perry and Taylor. Rethink your pricing - you don't have enough buyers in Austin.[/QUOTE]

I'm curious, what makes you think, as business men first, these developers aren't just testing the waters to see how much profit they can make? These are not commnunity/government projects. They are for profit. I am personally dissapointed these are not lower priced.... but I simply figure that when they are not selling, the price will fall. What on earth is the big deal?
     
     
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