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Old Posted Jan 28, 2007, 6:28 AM
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It's actually common for developers and architects to not render other new buildings in their renderings regardless of what type they'll be. It's silly, though, because for folks that really are researching the neighborhood, other prospects for a home, and what's going on in the area, they will find out what's up, (or rather what will be). For some projects, though, you'd expect news of more projects to be good, like in the cases of office buildings and new nearby hotels or residential buildings.
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Nonetheless, it would be great to see an actual computer rendering/model of what Austin’s downtown may look like in 2010 (even if it’s rendering/model depicting only half of the proposals). Maybe we should ask the Austin Downtown Alliance or DANA (Downtown Austin Neighborhood Association) to put something together, if they haven’t already
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These are getting a little out of date, but they are two versions of model that has been floating around town.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2007, 4:13 AM
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Here's an article in today's paper talking about lower-cost/income housing downtown. For downtown to truly be dense, vibrant and be a real neighborhood, there needs to be people there of all income levels. Otherwise you'll still have the bank tellers and hotel staffers driving into work everyday. I read somewhere that Austin has around 20,000 millionairs, that's a nice number, but I doubt all of them have plans to move downtown. So for the city council to achieve their goal of 25,000 people living downtown, they had better think of a way for lower-income people to be able to live there, otherwise it'll never happen.


From the Austin American-Statseman
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/01/29/29affordable.html

Incentives could spur lower-cost housing downtown
Proposal would offer extra height, density in exchange for building cheaper units.

By Sarah Coppola
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF


Monday, January 29, 2007

Living in downtown Austin is a mere dream for many lower-income residents.

A task force hopes to change that by proposing incentives that the city could offer to spur more lower-cost housing downtown.

The group thinks developers should be allowed to build taller, denser downtown projects than city rules allow, in exchange for selling or renting some units at less than the market rate or giving to an affordable housing fund.

The city-appointed task force of developers and housing advocates hasn't agreed yet on how to encourage lower-cost housing in other parts of the city. It has until mid-February to write a final list of incentives, which the City Council will have to approve.

Developers say building affordable housing downtown is tough because land prices are high. When building there, developers often ask the city for extra height or density.

The task force thinks the city should grant more square footage if developers make 10 percent of rental units affordable for households earning less than $56,900 or 10 percent of for-sale units affordable for households earning less than $84,000. The units would have to remain affordable for at least 40 years through deed restrictions.

Instead of including lower-cost units on-site, developers could also pay $10 into an affordable housing fund for each extra square foot that they build. The city would have to use that money to buy or build lower-cost housing within a 2-mile radius of downtown.

Task force member Cathy Echols agreed to the fee as a compromise but would prefer that developers build lower-cost units in their projects.

"If you follow the line of reasoning that it's too expensive to build affordable housing downtown, it becomes a reason not to build it elsewhere. We need a mixture of income levels in all parts of town, even downtown. Some of the people working at the banks and restaurants and offices downtown should be able to live there," said Echols, who is on the board of the nonprofit advocacy group HousingWorks.

The incentives would not create a surge of lower-cost housing downtown, said Tim Taylor, co-chairman of the task force and a former president of the Real Estate Council of Austin.

"It will create some (affordable units), but it's not going to solve the affordable housing problem downtown. Probably the only way you'll have true affordable housing downtown is with subsidies or government help," he said.

One big hurdle to building lower-cost housing is finding cheap land, so the task force is considering recommending that housing be allowed on lots zoned for industrial use.

Task force member Charles Heimsath, who tracks the hous- ing market as president of Capitol Market Research, said freeing up more land would lower the cost of housing citywide. But some housing advocates worry that would create a ghetto effect, clustering lower-income people in undesirable areas.

Another idea is to tailor incentives to certain parts of town, based on land costs and development difficulties. Some task force members say such a scoring system would be too subjective and unpredictable, but task force co-Chairman Frank Fernandez said it could even out the value of incentives. "Incentives are going to be worth more in different areas. The city has scarce housing resources, and we don't want them to be giving money away" to projects that don't need it as much as others, said Fernandez, executive director of Community Partnership for the Homeless.

For areas outside downtown, task force members want to beef up the city's SMART Housing program, which offers fee waivers and faster project reviews to projects that include lower-cost housing.

Eugene Sepulveda, a task force member and lecturer at the University of Texas' McCombs School of Business, said the city should also offer height and density bonuses in areas outside of downtown such as the Concordia University campus at Interstate 35 and 32nd Street, where neighbors have resisted denser development.

Density bonuses alone won't spur builders to construct the housing that's needed most: for households with incomes less than $42,650 a year, said Walter Moreau, executive director of Foundation Communities, which runs lower-cost apartment complexes in Austin.

Reaching deeper affordability levels will require other solutions, such as the city building on land it owns or using the $55 million in affordable-housing bonds that voters approved in November, he said.
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Here are some of my novice photoshopping efforts. I've put together some 'guesstimates' as to the scale and positioning of the Austonian within the Austin skyline, by superimposing the rendering(s) (released last week) atop some old photos of mine:

Auditorium shores:





From the Book People parking garage, on Lamar




From Longhorn Dam (Pleasant Valley Rd at Lakeshore)



From Shepherd Mountain, NW of Downtown



From Riverside Drive





From the West-End



SE of downtown



I-35 Frontage Road



Barton Creek Mall



From the state capitol building

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Great renders. Wherever you go, IT'S WATCHING YOU.



(you can't escape it, at night or early in the morn)


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lol

I know what you mean. I got up to get a drink of water, and when I came back, it was still there, staring at me. I drank my water and pretended it wasn't there.
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Is that Austin's new tallest (the Austonian)?


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It's one of two buildings that are proposed to become our new tallest. But since this one is supposed to breakground sometime early this year, it'll be finished before the Tom Stacy Tower at 501 Congress, (around 2009), making it the tallest building in Austin for atleast a little while. Even so, 360 by beating the Frost Bank Tower, will be our new tallest sometime next year. When all is said and done we could end up with as many as 4 new tallest buildings this decade - Frost Bank Tower, 360, The Austonian, and Tom Stacy/501 Congress.
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Re: Spring..... one more time. While I do understand that the Spring folks would want to focus on Spring.... it still feels like the "not whole truth" to not include other nearby projects. The cost of adding three or four small boxes to their existing white model would be minimal. I guess they figure less folks would want to buy a view of the Monarch or 360! Afterall those wonderful photos of what view you would have from their tower sure would look different! It is a questionalbe mis-represetation.
     
     
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and while I'm at it..... the renderings of the "Austionian" serves the same minor injustice. The impact of that tower would be minimized as well if you included the already begun AltaVista and the AMLI tower..... and the W. I understand not including T. Stacey.... 'cause that is still speculation.... but the Alta Vista project will greatly impact many views to the south and the W and AMLI will impact many views to the west....
     
     
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That's all true, but if we want any more big buildings downtown, we want them to do all in their power to sell ...



Just kidding.



MichaelB, have you heard anything more on Spring? I thought it might have been you who had a friend working on the site?
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Downtown Models

Here's another one I came across somewhere. Apparently it was part of Benchmark's efforts to determine how high to go.

     
     
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Thats a cool find there H2O... Even with the current projects under construction, this city is going to look incredible in a few years.

Here's a few more renders I put together, using two vantage points (Riverside/Town Lake and South Congress). T Stacy, Altavida, Block 21, and Four Seasons were inclued...

From South Congress Avenue...With Block 21 and Altavida



...and with T-Stacy's 700 footer ...



From Riverside Drive/Town Lake...



With the Four Seasons Residences thrown in (making the most of the only rendering I could find):



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That's all true, but if we want any more big buildings downtown, we want them to do all in their power to sell ...



Just kidding.



MichaelB, have you heard anything more on Spring? I thought it might have been you who had a friend working on the site?
Nope.... wish I coudl help on that end. I was helping a friend who is thinking of buying there figure out if the GP's would work for him.
     
     
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Great job on those skyline renderings, Mopacs.
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21 Rio - Status?

I was kind of surprised to see 21 Rio still listed on page 1 as a possibility. Has anyone heard anything at all about this project?

The last I ever read anything about 21 Rio was this post back in July on the archived thread. The poster said the building permit had expired and it was assumed the project had been canned.

If that's not the case, and you want a rendering, here's the one that was circulating back when it was in the news.

     
     
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I haven't actually. I fear it to be dead, too. Maybe I should update it? Goldenboot, I believe that was you who posted about that, correct?

Also, I've done some work on the first page of this thread to tone down the colors a bit. I also added a new height category, (900 to 999 feet), and shuffled a few of the colors around so there's not a wall of bright colors. This way once there's more proposals of varying heights the colors won't be so blinding, (I hope)! Let me know what ya think.
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I haven't actually. I fear it to be dead, too. Maybe I should update it? Goldenboot, I believe that was you who posted about that, correct?
I don't remember breaking the news on this project. However, as far as I know, the site plan is still working its way through city hall and the project is slated to be complete sometime in 2008. I'm assuming that would mean the developers would break ground within the coming months.
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Hey GoldenBoot......question.... was it you that had the info on all the property around "Dog and Duck"..... as in the sale of the land.... if so, where did you get that info? If it wasn't you..... can anyone tell me where you find such things?
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Hey GoldenBoot......question.... was it you that had the info on all the property around "Dog and Duck"..... as in the sale of the land.... if so, where did you get that info? If it wasn't you..... can anyone tell me where you find such things?
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No, sorry, it wasn't me. But, I'm interested in what may be going on over there!

You might be able to ascertain information as to the owners of the property from Travis County Appraisal District's website or the Travis County Tax Office.
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