HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Alberta & British Columbia > Edmonton


Closed Thread

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #21  
Old Posted Jan 5, 2007, 5:58 PM
Coldrsx's Avatar
Coldrsx Coldrsx is offline
Community Guy
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Edmonton, AB
Posts: 68,957
I know plenty of non-white collar people who would prefer to live in the core in a condo and enjoy nice restaurants on weekends and shop holt or the such, but there is little to no product and what is out there is either old and meh or new and uber bling.

We NEED TO GET MORE CONDOS in the core, more options, more people....
__________________
"The destructive effects of automobiles are much less a cause than a symptom of our incompetence at city building" - Jane Jacobs 1961ish

Wake me up when I can see skyscrapers
     
     
  #22  
Old Posted Jan 5, 2007, 6:15 PM
Coldrsx's Avatar
Coldrsx Coldrsx is offline
Community Guy
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Edmonton, AB
Posts: 68,957
one thing i cannot get over in this city is how many people who live in the downtown do NOT know much about it.

I was talking with a few people yesterday about how they cannot wait for the SOBEYS on 104 to come as they hate walking to save-on from their offices to pick up the essentials.

I mentioned that the BAY has a small but quite good grocery on the main level and they were all suprised and NONE of them had shopped it.

i know this is not a telling story of the downtown, but perhaps it somewhat is.

So many downtownites i talk to tell me about how few places there are to go for a nice drink, aka lounge, quick bite, or nice meal......not to mention the "i have to shop outside of the core because there are few stores".

I find that downtown shops in general do not remind people they are there enough....manulife does an ok job, but city centre needs to get out there more. I do see bus ads and the such, but they should be marketing to the people who work downtown and live downtown more so than the suburbanite who wouldnt come downtown either way.

sorry, just bugging me of late.
__________________
"The destructive effects of automobiles are much less a cause than a symptom of our incompetence at city building" - Jane Jacobs 1961ish

Wake me up when I can see skyscrapers
     
     
  #23  
Old Posted Jan 5, 2007, 6:18 PM
Coldrsx's Avatar
Coldrsx Coldrsx is offline
Community Guy
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Edmonton, AB
Posts: 68,957
i had a nice walk around the downtown yesterday and still cannot get over the amount of unbelieveable lots sitting vacant that SHOULD Be condos/retail/office by now.

I am in a continued state of disbelief in this city
__________________
"The destructive effects of automobiles are much less a cause than a symptom of our incompetence at city building" - Jane Jacobs 1961ish

Wake me up when I can see skyscrapers
     
     
  #24  
Old Posted Jan 5, 2007, 6:25 PM
feepa's Avatar
feepa feepa is online now
Change is good
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 8,550
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldrsx View Post
1905 tonight for anyone who wants to discuss with me their frustrations on how or what i post.
When you say discuss, you mean fists to face right?
     
     
  #25  
Old Posted Jan 5, 2007, 6:28 PM
Citysource's Avatar
Citysource Citysource is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 305
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasper and one o nin View Post
right now, there is lots going on. However, projects now are taking much longer due to labour shortages.
I agree with Colds point of view. I know some people who sit on boards in this city and were outraged with the art gallery design. One comment was "why couldnt they just do a nice simple building like many of the buildings in downtown"
that comment really summed it up for me. that this city strives for mediocrity. The way a city looks, its buildings, urban design, is really a reflection on a couple of things. one, is the people that lives there, and two is the strenth of its economy. I think in this town - the two are conflicting.
I think succussful urban design needs to have a personality. thats what sets it apart from other cities. not just creative building design - but a sense of individuality. you can copy buildngs from other cities and say that they would look good here. but what i think this city really lacks is personality. and that personality should be reflected in this city's urban design. I dont know if I am explaining the best, but if i can, ill try to find some examples..
I agree with your comments about the need to improve the caliber of design. It is going to happen, more and more.

The Downtown Plan Update is going to have a fairly significant focus on improving design, it is also going to attempt to start a re-focusing of office development in the Downtown as well as retail development to bring Jasper Ave out of the dark, as well as streetscape improvements. It is coming, turning around a barge with a motor boat takes some time.
__________________
City shaping since 2001
     
     
  #26  
Old Posted Jan 5, 2007, 6:29 PM
Auditor Auditor is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 122
I agree with downtown shops needing to market themselves more, especially ones that are in non-high profile locations.

I just discovered a funky new furniture the other day and I’ve spent the last month looking at furniture stores and had no idea this one existed (Inspired interiors)
     
     
  #27  
Old Posted Jan 5, 2007, 6:33 PM
CanadianCentaur's Avatar
CanadianCentaur CanadianCentaur is offline
Briareos Hecatonchires
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: The Big E
Posts: 3,805
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldrsx View Post
1905 tonight for anyone who wants to discuss with me their frustrations on how or what i post.
I was at 1905 last night. Had that chicken club sandwich there, it was slow in coming, but at least it came hot and they didn't forget the bacon. Holy cow, was it ever GOOD!

However, I won't be joining you guys tonight because I'm headed to GP tonight.
__________________
Edmonton/Amiskwacîwâskahikan Lat. 53° 34'N Elevation 671 m (2201 ft) Pop. 1,010,899 (2021 city) 1,418,118 (2021 metro) - North America's northernmost metro area over one million.
     
     
  #28  
Old Posted Jan 5, 2007, 6:36 PM
CMD UW's Avatar
CMD UW CMD UW is offline
Urbis Maximus
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 12,006
While I do agree that it would be nice to have MORE, however, go back 2 years ago and ask yourself how much was going on in Edmonton? In fact, how much was going on in Calgary 2 years ago? It's safe to assume that Edmonton is where Calgary was at nearly 2 years ago. The momentum in this City has JUST STARTED.
__________________
"Call me sir, goddammit!"
     
     
  #29  
Old Posted Jan 5, 2007, 8:50 PM
240glt's Avatar
240glt 240glt is offline
HVAC guru
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: YEG -> -> -> Nelson BC
Posts: 11,297
Quote:
Originally Posted by CMD UW View Post
While I do agree that it would be nice to have MORE, however, go back 2 years ago and ask yourself how much was going on in Edmonton? In fact, how much was going on in Calgary 2 years ago? It's safe to assume that Edmonton is where Calgary was at nearly 2 years ago. The momentum in this City has JUST STARTED.
Got that right... when I left Calgary in early '04 there wasn't a whole lot going on there either.... dt condo development had just started ramping up and commercial develpments were still only speculative. Now look at what's going on... I think it's safe to say that for Edmonton it is only a matter of time.
     
     
  #30  
Old Posted Jan 5, 2007, 8:57 PM
Coldrsx's Avatar
Coldrsx Coldrsx is offline
Community Guy
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Edmonton, AB
Posts: 68,957
time, time, time.........but will murman be alive still....thats what im worried about......
__________________
"The destructive effects of automobiles are much less a cause than a symptom of our incompetence at city building" - Jane Jacobs 1961ish

Wake me up when I can see skyscrapers
     
     
  #31  
Old Posted Jan 5, 2007, 9:02 PM
murman murman is offline
Dreaming in Colour
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 3,306
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldrsx View Post
time, time, time.........but will murman be alive still....thats what im worried about......
Not if some (several... many... most) forumers have their way.
     
     
  #32  
Old Posted Jan 5, 2007, 9:12 PM
Boris2k7's Avatar
Boris2k7 Boris2k7 is offline
Majestic
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Calgary
Posts: 11,960
Quote:
Originally Posted by murman View Post
Not if some (several... many... most) forumers have their way.


Nice list guys. Still waiting for some of that office development to come along though...
__________________
"The only thing that gets me through our winters is the knowledge that they're the only thing keeping us free of giant ass spiders." -MonkeyRonin

Flickr
     
     
  #33  
Old Posted Jan 5, 2007, 9:19 PM
feepa's Avatar
feepa feepa is online now
Change is good
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 8,550
Edmonton gets Oilerplex fever
Despite the way the Debate Unfolded, There Is A Case For A New Arena

Colby Cosh in Edmonton, National Post
Published: Friday, January 05, 2007

As I remember it, the fog began to roll in late last year. That's when one began to read annoyed references in the columns of the local papers to the fact that the Edmonton Oilers are playing in the National Hockey League's third-oldest building. Representatives of the team's ownership group, with infinite delicacy, began to speak of hopes for a "partnership" on a new facility within 10 years or so. Public-minded citizens began to scout empty or underused spaces in Edmonton's downtown. "Brown envelopes" were sent to news outlets and their contents cheerfully reported. Architectural drawings appeared as if by magic. A favourite parcel of land, in an urban combat zone near City Hall and the Law Courts, emerged as a clear frontrunner. The mayor ventured tentative support.

And, just like that, a new downtown arena for the Oilers, funded at least in part with public money, seemingly became all but inevitable. There has been no official announcement, but the project is the talk of the whole city, and it is universally accepted that it cannot happen through private financing alone. In public venues of opinion, there has been no debate to speak of. No one really knows, or will say, who urged the project forward. We simply woke up one morning, surrounded by the fog.

When a proposal is made to spend public funds in conjunction with, and for the benefit of, private business interests, a natural first question would seem to be "How much?" Only with an answer established can one reasonably go on to ask "Is it worth it?" But one has the uneasy feeling that Edmonton is so desperate for attention, so enamoured of hockey, and so awash in money that it has destroyed its bargaining position on the first question by reaching quick consensus on a "Yes" to the second one.

The political maneuvrings of 2006 have given arena plans obvious new impetus. Tight-fisted Ralph Klein has just been replaced by a premier from northern Alberta -- one who won the party leadership with timely backing from a rival, Mark Norris, who was an unabashed mouthpiece for the Oiler ownership group. And while Ottawa may not be asked to contribute cash to the project, federal backing may still be relevant, since the acreage everyone is drooling over is a little kernel of blight owned and stubbornly underdeveloped by Canada Post. No one, including me, would feel too much regret if a hockey- crazy Alberta Prime Minister assisted in a quiet land swindle.

There is nothing very wrong with the existing Rexall Place, aside from an approaching need for some routine upgrades and the lingering smell of hemp smoke from a thousand rock concerts. And yet, the downtown-arena dreamis already being defended with the batty, self-contradictory arguments familiar in other cities visited by the fog. Supporters complain that Rexall stands in a crummy neighbourhood without adjoining amenities, yet promise without shame that Fancy New Arena will attract retailers and bars and transform a crummy neighbourhood. They boast that it will "spur" rail-transit development, as if an additional municipal cost were an attraction. They envision boulevardiers sauntering around after games to sample Edmonton's manifold delights -- in January? -- and say nothing of scalpers, panhandlers, and meth dealers.

Hockey writer Tyler Dellow recently pointed out to me that there is a weird paradox here: Just about the only people professing genuine skepticism toward the idea of a new Oilerplex are local hockey fans with Web logs. It's sports fans, above all, who are familiar with the system of semi- blackmail and bogus economics that has fed the current North American mania for stadium construction; who remember how Edmontonians were terrorized in the 1990s into lowering the Oilers' rent to $1 a year; and who recall that Edmonton built a new ballpark in 1995 that was promptly abandoned in mid-lease by its Triple-A tenant and now serves as the absurdly ostentatious home of an independent league team.

But what other constituency aside from sports fans, Dellow asks, is so critical of tax-funded projects that nakedly serve its own interests? Notwithstanding the foggy way the arena debate has unfolded, there is in fact an arguable case for an Oilerplex. Thanks to the NHL's salary cap, a new arena is now one of the few practical ways to attain a competitive edge in player acquisition. Scientists and arts connoisseurs don't beat themselves up when you hand them millions of dollars: They spend and come back for more. There is no reason we should be embarrassed that hockey is so important to us -- vastly more important, judging by the way we spend our personal money and time, than cancer research, opera, or Third World poverty. Perhaps government really should reflect our priorities just once instead of trying to rearrange them.

[email protected]

Last edited by feepa; Jan 6, 2007 at 1:14 AM.
     
     
  #34  
Old Posted Jan 6, 2007, 12:48 AM
newfangled's Avatar
newfangled newfangled is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Oliver
Posts: 1,803
Procura has a big sign up on the Professional Building - "10830 - Changing the Face of Jasper." There are also renderings up here.

It looks nice...although it's very blue. Between it and the Devonian I'm wondering who had a big sale on blue glazing?

I do like the look of the storefront retail though; particularly the part the wraps around 108th.

And speaking of the Devonian, it looks like they've started to lay a grid over the brickwork on the east wall. Are they going to be covering that up with matching spandrel panels? I had been afraid that they would leave the ugly brick until the new tower was built to hide it. Hopefully they'll do something similar with the brickwork on the elevator core and penthouse.
     
     
  #35  
Old Posted Jan 6, 2007, 1:05 AM
itom 987's Avatar
itom 987 itom 987 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 5,083






WOW! We finally have something Edmonton can be proud of!

Way to go Procura!
     
     
  #36  
Old Posted Jan 6, 2007, 1:08 AM
feepa's Avatar
feepa feepa is online now
Change is good
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 8,550




edit: wow, itom, great minds think alike?!

Last edited by feepa; Jan 6, 2007 at 1:13 AM.
     
     
  #37  
Old Posted Jan 6, 2007, 1:12 AM
m0nkyman m0nkyman is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 2,032
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldrsx View Post
time, time, time.........but will murman be alive still....thats what im worried about......
Naah. He'll have a brain hemmorhage when someone seriously proposes a three story concrete block building for the corner of 103st and 102ave.
     
     
  #38  
Old Posted Jan 6, 2007, 1:14 AM
itom 987's Avatar
itom 987 itom 987 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 5,083
More info from the Procura website:



Brown Building
10008 – 109th Street T5J 1M4
Property Overview
Facing east onto 109th street, the Brown Building offers incredible ease of access and high visibility to a major traffic artery to the downtown and legislative core.

The Brown Building boasts incredible potential for future residential, commercial or mixed use development.




MayFair Hotel (Future Development Site)
10815 Jasper Avenue, Edmonton, Alberta
10845 Jasper Avenue, (Adjacent Parking Lot)
Property Overview
The MayFair Hotel, a five storey development created in 1944 and expanded in 1955 and offers over 16,000 square feet of street facing retail space along with over 5,500 square feet of lower ground lease space.

Located along Jasper Avenue and 109th street, the MayFair Hotel offers incredible accessibility and tremendous visibility to two major traffic arteries. The Mayfair hotel is also located next to the Corona Light Rail Transit Station for convenient public transit access.

In conjunction with the adjacent surface parking is to the east the Mayfair Hotel boasts incredible potential for future residential, commercial or mixed use development.
     
     
  #39  
Old Posted Jan 6, 2007, 1:15 AM
itom 987's Avatar
itom 987 itom 987 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 5,083
Quote:
Originally Posted by feepa View Post
edit: wow, itom, great minds think alike?!
Ha ha ha ha ha!
     
     
  #40  
Old Posted Jan 6, 2007, 1:16 AM
m0nkyman m0nkyman is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 2,032
Quote:
Originally Posted by itom
Way to go Procura!
Now, about the Paramount....
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Closed Thread

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Alberta & British Columbia > Edmonton
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 7:49 PM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.