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Old Posted Jan 2, 2007, 10:08 PM
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So... I was thinking. With the huge demand on construction in this town, is anyone, either private or public doing anything to import workers to this city.
I saw a CBC story a few months ago about a builder in Calgary that was making trips to Mexico and bringing workers here under a temporary visa. I havent heard of anyone doing that here excpet for Finning (they are going cross country on a recruiting campaign).. maybe public representatives should take the lead on this??? ( i dont know)
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2007, 10:20 PM
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Canterra Proposal

The 16 floor Canterra office tower proposal had some graphics in their public consultation mail-out. Don't know if they were posted back in early December. Here is what they looked like:

Footprint:


Massing composite:


Anyone have building elevations?
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2007, 10:53 PM
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Illuminada "3" is not where the heritage house was.....that is another WAM development which is SUPER exclusive and totally diff from illuminada towers.

Ill "3" if it happens will be beside 2...to the west, but i dont think they own the land yet.

Canterra office: about what i expected, square, decent, glass.....and will really fill in that corner:> Again, i love the clear glass on the bottom of the reno'd devonian.
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2007, 10:57 PM
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Illuminada "3" is not where the heritage house was.....that is another WAM development which is SUPER exclusive and totally diff from illuminada towers.

Ill "3" if it happens will be beside 2...to the west, but i dont think they own the land yet.

Canterra office: about what i expected, square, decent, glass.....and will really fill in that corner:> Again, i love the clear glass on the bottom of the reno'd devonian.

Cool thx.
how are the illuminada 2's going for? are they at $500,000? higher?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2007, 11:09 PM
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So... I was thinking. With the huge demand on construction in this town, is anyone, either private or public doing anything to import workers to this city.
I saw a CBC story a few months ago about a builder in Calgary that was making trips to Mexico and bringing workers here under a temporary visa. I havent heard of anyone doing that here excpet for Finning (they are going cross country on a recruiting campaign).. maybe public representatives should take the lead on this??? ( i dont know)
I've know of a few contractors (masonry and drywall) doing recruiting (in small numbers) in Eastern Europe and Mexico. One contractors said that the majority of the migrant workers generally worked very hard and were very skilled, but you could never be sure what kind of worker you were going to get. He also said that it's real pain organizing the temporary visas.
     
     
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/\ Yes, temp visa's aren't fun and require alot of due diligence and lawyers.
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It would be a blessing for Edm/Cal to have some more workers both skilled and not to assist public and private ventures...and this is a good way to do such a thing, but the levels of gov't make it slow and tedious it seems.

I look at how fast things can go up in asia or dubai because they have enough workers to keep pace with techinical construction methods, where as here....
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Cool thx.
how are the illuminada 2's going for? are they at $500,000? higher?
most were in the $350-600,000 range....they are quite nice interior finishes, but im still not sold on the outside. Illuminada 1 was better designed IMO.
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2007, 11:23 PM
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It would be a blessing for Edm/Cal to have some more workers both skilled and not to assist public and private ventures...and this is a good way to do such a thing, but the levels of gov't make it slow and tedious it seems.

I look at how fast things can go up in asia or dubai because they have enough workers to keep pace with techinical construction methods, where as here....
except that the labourers there are basicly slaves...I don't think that we'd be doing that for obvious humanitarian reasons.

Quoting Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai

"The massive construction projects currently in Dubai have required more construction workers than there are citizens of the city (note: over 80% of Dubai's population consists of expatriates/non-citizens). This has led to massive importation of low-wage workers, mostly from India and Pakistan.[7] Most of these workers are forced to give up their passports upon entering Dubai, making it very difficult to return home. NPR reports that workers "typically live eight to a room, sending home a portion of their salary to their families, whom they don't see for years at a time." Others report that their salary has been withheld to pay back loans, making them little more than indentured servants.[8] The BBC has reported that "local newspapers often carry stories of construction workers allegedly not being paid for months on end. They are not allowed to move jobs and if they leave the country to go home they will almost certainly lose the money they say they are owed. The names of the construction companies concerned are not published in the newspapers for fear of offending the often powerful individuals who own them.".[9]

In December 2005, the Indian consulate in Dubai submitted a report to the Government of India detailing labour problems faced by Indian expatriates in the emirate. The report highlighted delayed payment of wages, substitution of employment contracts, premature termination of services and excessive working hours as being some of the challenges faced by Indian workers in the city.[10]

On 21 March 2006, tensions boiled over at the construction site of the Burj Dubai as workers upset over low wages and poor working conditions rioted, damaging cars, offices, computers, and construction tools. A Dubai Interior Ministry official said the rioters caused approximately one million U.S. dollars in damage. On March 22 most workers returned to work but refused to work. The work stoppage also caused workers building a new terminal at Dubai International Airport to strike.[11]

The alleged labour injustices in Dubai have attracted the attention of various Human Rights groups. Mafi Wasta, for example, is a website created specifically for the purpose of persuading the government of the UAE to sign up to 2 of the ILO's (International Labour Organization) 7 core conventions - namely 87 and 98 - which allows for labour unions. The site lists examples of human rights violations in the country. Human Rights Watch said that the men were treated "less than human".

Though officially there is a labour ministry where workers can go for redress, this is more so in name than in practice. Subcontintent labour from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh working in construction sites cannot speak either Arabic or English, and their claims can drag on in the Labour courts for months by which time the unpaid labourers have little option than to accept any given settlement.

So I agree labour is needed, but at what cost? The paper work is there to protect our contry, and inidvidual rights and freedoms.
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2007, 11:27 PM
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RE: Bellamy Tower - Expect to see the marketing and promotion for it this year...
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^true and a very real concern with any type of "imported labourer". However it can be done properly and work out for both parties.

we are getting to a point in this province that this is a very realistic option and not just bandaid, but longer term.
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2007, 11:31 PM
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RE: Bellamy Tower - Expect to see the marketing and promotion for it this year...
im very curious to see this thing go.......if i recall it was 1200-1400sqft units only targetting upper market.
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It would be a blessing for Edm/Cal to have some more workers both skilled and not to assist public and private ventures...and this is a good way to do such a thing, but the levels of gov't make it slow and tedious it seems.

I look at how fast things can go up in asia or dubai because they have enough workers to keep pace with techinical construction methods, where as here....
Yeah, I'd be cautious when using Dubai or China as examples as these places are known for treating labourers poorly (as referenced by Citysource).

Re: Bellamy - Good news!
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re: importing labourers

I'd support whatever is best for Albertans, more epecifically Edmontonians and Calgarians. So thats either:

A) Slowing down growth by forcing migrants to spend a ton of money to get here. Forcing them and their family to make a commetment to Alberta by dropping serious cash on a property (done so in part by limiting rental construction) and ensure money they make in Alberta stays here. Basically getting rid of what we are seeing now, where people have made their money in Alberta then move to another province to spend their savings.

B) Bringing in a bunch of workers to get stuff done, meanwhile they send money back home to their families.


I'm sure such a decision would require some serious academic thought.
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The 16 floor Canterra office tower proposal had some graphics in their public consultation mail-out. Don't know if they were posted back in early December. Here is what they looked like:

Footprint:


Massing composite:


Anyone have building elevations?
Didn't someone suggest many months ago that the next office building to be built in Edmonton would end up looking like another First Edm Place, and not be something to write home about?

Oh wait... that was me.
     
     
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Time to write Cushman LePage... for how many years now have they not included Edmonton in their annual office market review???

http://www.cushmanwakefield.com/cwglobal...toryKey=CoreRepository&itemDesc=document

Hopefully that over-wrought weblink works...
     
     
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Wonder how accurate the 3d representation of the meridian is in that mock-up.
     
     
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Didn't someone suggest many months ago that the next office building to be built in Edmonton would end up looking like another First Edm Place, and not be something to write home about?

Oh wait... that was me.

I was expecting a glass cube. Chamfered corners blew my mind.
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