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Old Posted Jan 2, 2007, 5:52 AM
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Further more I think that Century Park will actually hurt downtown development. Although it is a nice Project those people should be downtown. That project should be behind Boston Pizza on 107 not out in the burbs. It will be the West Edmonton Mall phenomenon for Condos. All teh good retailers were sucked from being in the core to the mall.......why are they looking at so much infill and redevelopment like heritage mall, stony plain rd and 142 st, and strathern before we get rid of some of the hundreds of parking lots we have downtown.
I disagree. There is no denying that it will take away some possible downtown buyers (maybe if they could buy something nice DT.....) but for the most part your targeted buyers for CP are older people who want to downsize but not live in a urban/vibrant area with all tho noise and traffic of dt.


Regardless, it has set a precedent for high density development (booth quality and magnitude).
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You're right, the market for CP is somewhat different than those who want to live downtown. In fact, a large portion of purchasers are those who live in the South / SW.
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2007, 1:24 PM
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2007, 5:09 PM
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As this thread nears 2000 posts, I've decided to spend a little time on the first page. No changes have been made yet, but I came across a need for a skyline shot, and I found two images of mine I stitched together. Thought I would share it here
You can see the stitch in this full size version, but its hard to tell in that small version I used
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2007, 5:50 PM
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Downtown is looking livelier, but also shoddier than it should
Paula Simons, The Edmonton Journal

Published: Tuesday, January 02, 2007

Last January, I made a bold prediction on this page. I declared that 2005 had been the tipping point for Edmonton's ugly duckling downtown, that 2006 would be the year that our city centre really took off again.
How did my prediction work out? Well, let's call 2006 a mixed bag.
In the plus column?
Work is going great guns on several multimillion-dollar projects, including the Robbins Health Learning Centre on the downtown Grant MacEwan campus, the new Don Wheaton Family YMCA and the Icon condominium complex on 104th Street, which promises to be the largest residential development the downtown has yet seen.
The University of Alberta's total make-over of the old Bay building, complete with a new fourth storey, is well on its way. Hall D, the addition to the Shaw Conference Centre, opened for business. The Art Gallery of Alberta is just about to begin its ambitious renovations. Sobeys has announced firm plans for an upscale boutique grocery store on Jasper Avenue and 104th Street. And anyone who did a little Christmas or Boxing Day shopping downtown this season, anyone who took in a downtown Christmas concert or play or ballet, could see with their own eyes that the city centre is once more becoming a magnet for people.
On the other side of the ledger?
NorQuest College, which has been looking for provincial money to fund the expansion of its downtown campus, has still not been given funding to go ahead. Lyle Oberg's grand plan to remake the legislature precinct by tearing down the ugly old Terrace Building and reopening the elegant Federal Building, was suspended during the Tory's provincial leadership race. Although there have been fresh rumblings and rumours about a new office tower downtown, we've yet to see a start on anything real. The former CN Station Lands, north of City Hall, still sit vacant, despite a lot of public wishful thinking about a new hockey arena on the site.
Meanwhile, inflation, juiced by the superheated local economy, has driven construction costs to the stratosphere. It's not just harder to pay for a downtown construction project, it's harder to find anyone to build one.
Neither private developers nor government funders are as keen to build when costs are peaking. The problem is, nobody's sure whether this is a temporary price spike and labour shortage or whether it's only going to get steadily harder and more expensive to build as the decade ends.
So where does that leave us?
With a downtown full of promise. But also a downtown filled with too much garbage and too many ugly parking lots. Yes, there are many fantastic projects underway. But streets and sidewalks are still strewn with trash -- coffee cups, cigarette butts, old pizza boxes, flyers and heaven knows what else.
Inspired by Mayor Stephen Mandel's personal clean-up campaign, I started picking up the crap as I walked into work. It's not a pleasant job or an easy one. It's one thing to pick up the trash. It's another to figure out where to put it. The few public garbage cans you find downtown are often overflowing. Some days, I have to take the stuff I've picked up into the Journal building just to dispose of it. The problem is particularly acute near bus stops. People stand waiting for the bus, smoking or drinking coffee. When the bus comes, they dump their butts and cups and leave the mess behind. It's not rocket science, folks. For starters, we need more downtown garbage cans and cigarette receptacles. We can't legislate better manners -- but at least we could make it less tempting for people to be slobs. Maybe if the downtown had less litter, it would feel less socially acceptable for the next person to add their garbage to the streets.
And don't even get me started on those gravel-and-sand-strewn surface parking lots, about a hundred of which blight our downtown core. Muddy when it's wet, dusty when it's dry, they are eyesores that make our city core look perpetually run down, no matter how many shiny new projects surround them. The city's been talking for more than a year now about cracking down, about enforcing its existing rules to force lot owners to tidy up. But it's hard to detect a lot of improvement.
The moral of this story? We can't just wait for a lot of big, shiny mega projects like galleries, towers and arenas to fix our downtown. We all have to take responsibility, on a smaller, more personal level, for the state of our city's foremost public space. It's time for us to stop accepting a bargain-basement downtown. It's time for us to take pride in our rejuvenating city centre, time for us to start demanding the highest standards -- not just of city council or downtown merchants or parking lot operators -- but of ourselves.
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We where entertaining some people from Orange county California over the christmas season, they were amazed at the size of our city and downtown. We had to take them to the LA RONDE For some great views.....and food. Happy new year...may it be healthy and prosperous for all.
     
     
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Paula is a good writer and tells it like it is.

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Old Posted Jan 2, 2007, 6:34 PM
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Edmonton civics 101: Mayor's creative thinking responds to needs of citizens
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Published: Tuesday, January 02, 2007

Calgary flashed its prowess on the ice during Sunday's traditional New Year's Eve Battle of Alberta hockey game. The Flames skated to a 4-2 victory, launching 2007 with a solid performance led by the team's two best players, Miikka Kiprusoff and Jarome Iginla.

But off ice, Cowtown has lessons to learn from the capital city. Edmonton's first-term mayor, Stephen Mandel, presented a number of creative and innovative initiatives in 2006 that responded to the cries of the people, and the needs of a booming Alberta city.

Maybe it's beginner's luck, but Mandel's smart-city thinking would be welcome in Calgary.

For example, take Edmonton's notable position on recycling and composting, which leaves Calgary in the starting block, still relying on citizens to take recyclables to the depot.

Edmonton diverts 60 per cent of its household waste from landfill annually, one of the highest rates in the country. That compares to a 20 per cent pittance in Calgary.

Now, the northern city will become the first worldwide to convert municipal waste -- non-biodegradable materials such as plastics and contaminated paper -- into synthetic gas. The $87-million project announced in November would generate 10 megawatts of electricity annually. If such trash-to-treasure alchemy isn't enough, add on the environmental bonus of keeping methane -- a potent greenhouse gas produced by rotting garbage -- out of the atmosphere. The Edmonton plant will reduce greenhouse gas emissions by the equivalent of removing 37,500 cars from city streets.

Former acting innovation and science minister for the province George VanderBurg summed it up precisely: "Edmonton is miles ahead of Calgary on this issue," he said at the time. "Calgary needs to step up to the plate."

Calgary's still in the studying stages of determining the size of its environmental footprint, and has no plans for a curbside recycling program until 2009.

Mandel also scored points on the issue of homelessness by negotiating a first-time home buyers deal with the province and the city's two school boards. The plan, which increases the stock of starter homes by about 1,000 units to be built on about 20 surplus school sites, is not without its critics. All the more reason it stands as an example of both courageous leadership and flexible thinking and negotiating.

Then there's government that listens to its people. In a bow to public complaints over clearing streets of snow and ice, Edmonton announced a two-week mission Dec. 13 to grade all 1,750 kilometres of residential streets down to the pavement. The $5 million was apparently thanks to Mandel, who "made some calls" that prompted the change, according to Edmonton's transportation manager.

It doesn't take a chartered accountant to calculate Calgary's snow-removal budget -- at $17 million -- is grossly under funded. Even then, the city managed to stay on budget as of October. Edmonton was over its $34.4-million allotment by between $10 and $14 million.

But that's not because Edmonton gets more snow. Calgary records about five centimetres more a year, according to long-range statistics by Environment Canada.

The Flames may be superior on the ice this year thanks to the Oilers' weak defence, but inside council chambers, Calgary would do well to sharpen up.
     
     
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Cecil site had a digger and they were taking down the scafolding, no tower:<.

So coming back from vancouver once again i am finding it harder and harder to believe what im seeing getting built in this city.

...argh
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^ what do you mean? Cecil site wont have a tower :/
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2007, 7:21 PM
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^it is 4 floors....not the 16 floor option:<
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2007, 7:26 PM
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oh, hah yeah
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pub 1905 tonight for oilers PPV, SSP talk, and beer apparently...if im not asleep ill be there.
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^wrong tower....but nice chop, keep the south one the same, and paste that over the other north one:>
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^wrong tower....but nice chop, keep the south one the same, and paste that over the other north one:>
oh well, took 5 minutes, I'll have to try again some other time

Mean while, I've updated this http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=2432079&postcount=1
     
     
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^thanks...reminds me how wicked STRATHERN will look....please oh please...
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thanks for the link feepa!

Time to get back on track now that New Years and the rest is done.... (what a gong show! I had no idea my parents cabin at Sylvan could hold so many people)
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I was just wondering, who has ever used IRC?
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random question..... where is illuminada 3 proposed to go?
     
     
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Illuminada 3 will be to the south on 100 ave - where the heritage house was..
Nice work on the post Feepa.
saw stuff I hadnt seen before. Good lord the Meridan.. what the Sam is that? Someone said, if we forget history we are destined to repeat it.. (think Perigrine Puke.. err Point)
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