Immigrant population of cities around the world

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

Guyanese as in French Guyanese or British Guyanese?

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by Docere

Brazil was a huge immigration destination in the 19th and early 20th centuries. I believe Sao Paulo has more people of Italian ancestry of any city on earth (though Buenos Aires is probably close), and the largest populations of Japanese ancestry and Lebanese ancestry in the Western hemisphere.

In São Paulo metro area there are some 7 million people of Italian descent. That’s more than Milan metro area but probably slightly less than Buenos Aires.

Regarding Lebanese, São Paulo is only behind Beirut metro area but not by much.

There are some 300k-400k Japanese Brazilians, way more than any other city in the world outside Japan.

And of course, over 5 million people born in Northeast Brazil (and way more counting their descent). That’s more Northeasterners than Recife (4.1 million), Fortaleza (3.6 million) or Salvador (3.4 million).

[Docere]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

i was way out there in ozone park/cypress hills queens yesterday in the blazing haze and heat for reasons, ugh my lungs, but anyway i could not help but notice all the guyanese.

turns out its the fifth biggest immigrant group in town around 150k.

https://documentedny.com/2023/06/30/guyanese-immigrants-little-guyana-caribbean/

The 177,808 Guyanese-born population in the New York Metro Area is 18.6% that of the population of Guyana (956,044). Toronto has 65,600 Guyanese-born, 7% of the population of Guyana.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

This is the way to know.

PS: If you want to listen to the original voices in the videos, make sure to unclick "dubbing" in the Youtube settings (Youtube now annoyingly display the foreign language videos with a stupid dubbing, that would be English dubbing if you live in an Anglophone jurisdiction). Both videos have English subtitles (automatically transcribed/translated by IA I believe).

French Guyanese (first girl speaks standard French with a French Guianese accent, guy after her speaks French Guianese creole):

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British Guyanese:

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And because this is Sunday and all Sundays must end in music, this is one of the most famous airs from the opera Carmen (the most performed opera in the world), by a French Guianese prima dona dressed in traditional Creole clothes. What a voice!

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[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by Docere

The 177,808 Guyanese-born population in the New York Metro Area is 18.6% that of the population of Guyana (956,044). Toronto has 65,600 Guyanese-born, 7% of the population of Guyana.

The 18,122 Guyanese-born population in the Paris Region (2023 census) is 6.2% of French Guiana's population (293,996). But then this stat is not entirely apples and oranges, because French Guiana has more than half of its population who were not born in French Guiana (they are Surinamese, Brazilian, and Haitian immigrants, as well as Metropolitan French people), whereas (British) Guyana has almost no foreign-born population, so if you take only the people born in French Guiana, then those residing in the Paris Region are 11.2% of those who reside in French Guiana (that will be more apples-to-apples compared to your % here for British Guyana).

[Docere]

Foreign born population and percentage of population of home country for selected countries in the Caribbean region (including Guyana).

New York

Dominican Republic 660,122 6.1%
Jamaica 250,967 9%
Guyana 177,808 18.6%
Trinidad and Tobago 99,692 7.3%
Barbados 24,682 9.4%
Grenada 20,882 19.1%
St. Vincent and the Grenadines 15,018 13.7%
Dominica 11,018 16.8%

Miami

Cuba 793,143 8.4%
Jamaica 143,128 5.2%

Toronto

Jamaica 98,980 3.5%
Guyana 65,600 6.9%
Trinidad and Tobago 41,300 3%
St. Vincent and the Grenadines 8,235 7.5%
Grenada 6,735 6.2%

[Docere]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

^ Man, that list really illustrates how badly the interior north has gotten passed over by immigrants these days, relatively speaking.

Yeah, Chicago, the region's lone bright spot, is still hanging on in that 2nd tier below the big 3, but such a list would've looked radically different generations ago.

Imagine telling a room full of Detroit, or St. Louis, or Cleveland civic leaders in 1950 that nothing-burgers like Orlando, Tampa, and Vegas would have more immigrants than their city 75 years later. You woulda been able to hear their laughter on the freaking moon.

Just compare the foreign-born percentages of Chicago and Illinois vs. the other Great Lakes Midwest states (all in the single digits).

Foreign born

Chicago Metro Area 19.4%
Illinois 15.4%
US 14.8%
East North Central division (Great Lakes Midwest) 8.8%
Michigan 7.7%
Indiana 7%
Ohio 5.5%
Wisconsin 5.5%

[Docere]

Two other Australian cities

Greater Perth

Born outside Australia 858,341

United Kingdom 202,804
New Zealand 59,459
South Africa 38,793
Malaysia 31,268
Philippines 30,806
China 27,237
Vietnam 17,174
Italy 16,536
Ireland 16,412
Singapore 15,387
Indonesia 13,031
Zimbabwe 10,743
Germany 9,053
United States 8,837
Sri Lanka 8,630
Pakistan 7,222
Netherlands 7,083
Hong Kong 6,271
Iran 6,224
South Korea 6,041
Canada 5,293

# 50000+: 2
# 20000+: 6
# 10000+: 12
# 5000+: 21

Greater Brisbane

Born outside Australia 799,583

United Kingdom 112,848
New Zealand 111,649
India 51,650
China 41,978
Philippines 27,907
South Africa 26,918
Vietnam 20,308
South Korea 13,305
Taiwan 12,826
Malaysia 11,826
Fiji 10,800
United States 10,530
Hong Kong 9,799
Germany 9,477
Sri Lanka 8,748
Ireland 7,654
Thailand 7,521
Italy 6,540
Nepal 6,459
Netherlands 6,402
Iran 6,288
Canada 6,093
Japan 5,646
Brazil 5,626
Zimbabwe 5,348
Indonesia 5,261
Singapore 5,171

# 50000+: 3
# 20000+: 7
# 10000+: 12
# 5000+: 27

[Docere]

A fuller look at Paris/Ile-de-France.

Paris Region (2022)

Foreign born 2,594,900

Europe 528,578
Africa 1,231,876
Asia 469,426
Americas 143,272

Algeria 350,939
Morocco 271,884
Portugal 217,780
Tunisia 144,884
Ivory Coast 78,105
Mali 75,435
China 75,105
Senegal 69,709
Turkey 69,281
Italy 58,787
Congo (DR) 54,091
Romania 53,305
Cameroon 51,111
Sri Lanka 46,621
Republic of the Congo 46,013
Spain 44,294
Haiti 37,548
Vietnam 36,073
India 33,770
Poland 33,235
Cambodia 29,132
Lebanon 26,183
Guinea 23,757
Serbia 23,643
Pakistan 22,954
Brazil 22,840
Madagascar 22,791
Russia 20,847
Germany 20,255
United States 18,729
Mauritius 18,617
Colombia 18,123
United Kingdom 17,636
Comoros 16,231
Mauritania 14,306
Belgium 14,242
Japan 10,571
Angola 9,610
Canada 5,600
Switzerland 5,551

# 50000+: 13
# 20000+: 29
# 10000+: 37
# 5000+: 40

https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/8582067?sommaire=8582090&geo=REG-11#ancre-IMG1B_V2_ENS

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by Docere

A fuller look at Paris/Ile-de-France.

This is not a "fuller look". It contains actually less data than the figures already posted in this thread, since Guadeloupe, Martinique, and Réunion are not included. Laos, Egypt, Ukraine, Syria are also not included.

Originally Posted by Docere

Foreign born 2,594,900

This is not "foreign born". You post here without reading what other people post. Your figure is the green figure for the year 2022.

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

[Docere]

The overseas departments are not "foreign." They're French citizens and take part in the presidential elections in France and have representation in the National Assembly and Senate.

I do agree that British citizens born abroad shouldn't be counted but that hardly merits adding the overseas departments to French figures to "compensate." The US figures don't include US citizens born abroad, and the Canadian figures I've presented don't include Canadian citizens born abroad.

I also find it strange that the national statistical agency would list individual countries arbitrarily rather than a size threshold though I suppose it's possible. But they're not listing them for Paris so what can we do?

[Crawford]

Is a Pied-Noir foreign-born? I assume no bc Algeria was France? But then I assume all Arab Algerians are counted as foreign-born, even if they lived in Algeria when it was France? And then not clear what they would do with Algerian Jews and other non-Arab but not originally French inhabitants.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by Docere

The overseas departments are not "foreign." They're French citizens and take part in the presidential elections in France and have representation in the National Assembly and Senate.

People from the Channel Islands and the British Overseas Territories are also British citizens, yet they are counted as foreign-born in British statistics. So by excluding the people born in Overseas France from Paris, but including the people born in the British Overseas Territories, Channel Islands, and Isle of Man for London, you are comparing apples and oranges. Especially when this group of people is as numerous as 208,000 people in Paris.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Is a Pied-Noir foreign-born? I assume no bc Algeria was France? But then I assume all Arab Algerians are counted as foreign-born, even if they lived in Algeria when it was France? And then not clear what they would do with Algerian Jews and other non-Arab but not originally French inhabitants.

A Pied-Noir is counted as a foreign-born person in the census. That's why there's a big discrepancy between the foreign-born and immigrant figure for Algeria.

Algerian Jews were French citizens, so they are counted as foreign-born, and not as immigrant. Algerian Muslims were not French citizens (except for ca. 60,000 Muslims belonging to the elites) so they are counted as both foreign-born and immigrants. The Muslims who were French citizens (ca. 60,000 back then) are counted as foreign-born, but not as immigrants

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

Guyanese as in French Guyanese or British Guyanese?

I know a few native Guyanese or offspring of native Guyanese, but I have never in my life met a single person from French Guiana or Suriname (Dutch Guiana).

[New Brisavoine]

Here are the apples-to-apples figures for New York, Paris, and London. These are the most recent figures for each city.

For London it's the internationally defined FUA, which corresponds quite well to the MSA. For Paris it's the Paris administrative region, which is slightly smaller than the FUA.



In percentage of the total population:

[Docere]

With Bermuda (1,001), Channel Islands (1,131) and Montserrat (3,389) correctly removed, the born outside UK population in London drops from 3,575,741 to 3,570,220. British Virgin Islands, Falkland Islands, Gibraltar etc. are not on the list.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by Docere

With Bermuda (1,001), Channel Islands (1,131) and Montserrat (3,389) correctly removed, the born outside UK population in London drops from 3,575,741 to 3,570,220. British Virgin Islands, Falkland Islands, Gibraltar etc. are not on the list.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

Largely irrelevant, as most of those apples and oranges problems come from children of British expats and British colonial settlers born outside the UK. But keep pretending you don't understand the problem with your figures...

[Docere]

Should Hawaii be specified as a place of birth in US stats?

[New Brisavoine]

Are Hawaiians perceived as "immigrants" and "alien" in the 48 contiguous states the way the Puerto Ricans are?