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Old Posted Jul 13, 2026, 11:40 PM
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What a massive change to the West Side skyline, and this isn’t even half the height yet?
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2026, 12:47 AM
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The building permit for the foundation of the residential development adjacent to the mosque has finally been issued. Hopefully, this will get moving this summer.

You can also see the new apartment by Wok In from the highway as you drive South. You'll be able to watch the backed-up bridge traffic from the comfort of your home!

Also, the Martello Tower appears to be finally being unveiled! The scaffolding was still up, but the covering had come down when I was over there earlier this week.

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Old Posted Jul 28, 2026, 12:14 PM
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The Belyea redevelopment passed first and second readings last night. Not sure of the vote count, but I will check the recording later. Lots of opposition from locals both in writing and in person.

Saint John council backs 195-unit townhouse project at former Belyea Arena site

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-bruns...na-belyea-village-ali-farahani-9.7286778
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Something curious I noticed this morning - the house at 4 Fort Dufferin Road sold this past week for half a million dollars, and the 2 days later, there is a building permit to demolish the house and garage and cap the water and sewer.

This is the only residence that is surrounded by the large land parcel zoned high-rise residential. Could be nothing, but I am not sure why you'd significantly overpay to buy the house, demolish it, and cap the services.
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These pictures are a month or two old but were recently posted on Irving's social media. Awesome to see.

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A milestone move with NBM Railways!
NBM Railways recently completed the largest move in its history by transporting a 70‑foot, nearly 180,000-pound tank to Irving Pulp & Paper.
Part of Project NextGen at the Saint John pulp mill, this move took careful coordination. From planning to delivery, our railway team worked closely with Irving Equipment Ltd., ensuring every step of the lift was coordinated safely and efficiently.
It's a strong example of what can happen when planning, teamwork and precision come together.


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These pictures are a month or two old but were recently posted on Irving's social media. Awesome to see.
I noticed this morning, while driving down Fairville Blvd, that this new construction is now higher than the Moosehead Beer Tanks - pretty neat considering the beer tanks are on higher ground.
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$1.2M permit for the foundation for 920 Fairville Boulevard. This is the apartment building that the adjacent Mosque is building. Really happy to see this moving!

Edit - this is the original rendering for the Fairville Boulevard development from when it was proposed in 2024.

I haven't driven down Fairville in a few weeks, so I am not sure if the foundation started yet, but the full construction building permit was applied for yesterday.

Phase 2 – complete construction of apt building - $8,500,000
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Interesting new video showcasing the renovation of Martello Tower.

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Similar to the video they used to play inside the tower for visitors.

Would love to see more pictures of the renovations. This has been an incredibly long time coming, and I don’t think anyone would be surprised if we find out the final total for renovations reach near or even over $50 million.

Hopefully after all that money pumped into the site, the city, province, and Parks Canada do a lot more than they have in the past to market the site to tourists, and make it more accessible.

If the feds could help fund the start of a bicycle sharing system, starting with maybe three stations located at, say, the Waterfront Container Village, Place Fort LaTour, and Carleton Martello Tower, it would attract both locals and tourists to the site, and be a relatively small investment to enhance access and interest to what may now be Saint John’s single most expensive tourist and historical site.

Also wouldn’t hurt to get a bus stop directly at Martello Tower. 🚏
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The size of the Next Gen project at the pulp mill is something. Driving in on the highway, I could see it clear as day all the way from the old visitor center overlooking Saints Rest Marsh. An industrial skyscraper if ever there was one.
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I'm not sure where to start, so bear with me if my response seems a bit disjointed.

First of all, let's consider the city's intent in its RFP. A significant weighting is given to housing outcomes and affordability (including diversity of housing form and number of bedrooms), overall housing supply/maximizing density, and alignment with the municipal plan (including the affordable housing strategy). So we can surmise that the city wants a bunch of housing on this site, including some geared towards lower incomes and to families.

The RFP also says that it needs to do this while being "sensitive to the built context of the surrounding neighbourhood". The site is surrounded by approximately 35 low-rise residential structures, ranging from single family homes to small apartment buildings. I'm not familiar with Saint John's municipal plans but in Fredericton that context would likely limit you to four storeys for most of the site, because the municipal plans calls for appropriate transitions from adjacent low rise housing. What makes things complicated for this site is that the low rise housing existing around most of the perimeter of the site. If it was just along one side such a transition would be a lot easier. You said that neighbours would be against this regardless of height, and while that is no doubt true, it's certainly more impactful to have a 10-storey building next door than it is to have a 3-storey building, especially when there is no existing precedent for such height in the area.

Regardless of that, even if building taller was appropriate in the context of the neighbourhood, there are issues with that as well. First of all, we've known for 50 years that the towers in the park style of development doesn't work, and that's effectively what you're proposing here (and in the past you've proposed that for others sites as well). Density for the sake of density doesn't work well when the site offers very few amenities. People are willing to live in high-rises when have amenities nearby but this site offers nothing but your beloved ocean views.

Building taller is also ultimately more expensive, especially if you also want to incorporate underground parking – that increases the cost to build significantly. The other challenge is that it is much more difficult to delivery a significant number of family-size (3+ bedroom) units this way. Our building codes do not give a lot of flexibility in how those kind of layouts are designed.

You've cited building taller as a way to conserve the existing green space but you haven't articulated why that is desirable, or how that green space would be activated. We tend to overestimate the value of urban green space, particularly unmaintained space. I would argue that the value of a thoughtfully designed one acre park is much higher than 10 contiguous acres of mostly unmaintained grass and trees. And again, this is an area that is not lacking in green space to begin with.

So given the context of the site and how the RFP is written, what is being proposed seems appropriate for the site. The stacked townhouse form allows for a cost-effective way to deliver a mix of unit sizes (smaller single storey on the bottom, larger two storey on top). The project is easily phased and new homes can be delivered much more quickly than building mid or high rise buildings.

At the same time, I agree that this is a completely unambitious project, and I would place the blame for that on the city. The opportunities to provide significant residential developments on city-owned land generally don't come along often, and the goals for such developments should be to deliver a housing product to an underserved market – that generally means some combination of price point and housing topology.

Rather than putting out a fairly open-ended RFP the city could have created a master plan for the entire property and then subdivided lots off of it that could be sold to developers with pre-approved development plans in place. As adamuptownsj mentioned in the other thread, there's definitely an opportunity for mid-rise buildings along the Lowell Street frontage. A small, fully activated, centrally located park could be built somewhere in the middle of the property, alongside the trail that is in the current proposal. That could have been surrounded by stacked townhouses (rentals) and perhaps row houses (owner occupied).

There could still be an affordable component to this plan by partnering with perhaps the province, nonprofit community groups, creating a co-op building, etc. That would have resulted in a lot more diversity in terms of housing topologies, incomes, etc. You could have even reserved a lot along Lowell for a mixed-used building as a final phase of the project in case the population growth of the area supports that.

Such a project could be a catalyst for the entire neighborhood, spurring development of the land on the other side of Woodville. I'm sure there are other opportunities for gently density redevelopments in that area as well.

I would just add that regardless of how such a project is funded, there needs to be an emphasis on affordability, and delivering that in a cost effective manner. You're effectively advocating for a luxury product on city-owned land and I don't think that is fair to taxpayers. We can have high quality yet relatively modest housing instead that fits a real need in the community. Your point about being happier in a high-rise building with ocean views than in a stacked townhouse is moot if you can't afford the high-rise, or if that form factor doesn't work for you and your family.
I meant to reply to this earlier and completely forgot.

I think we’re actually closer on Belyea than my earlier posts suggested.

I’m not arguing that this site needed 20-storey towers. Most places where I’ve advocated significant height are on the Central Peninsula or within or adjacent to existing retail and commercial areas. Fairville Plaza and Lancaster Crossing are obvious Westside examples: shopping, services, parking, and transit are already there.

For the Belyea site, I think six-storey apartments, townhouses, and a well-designed public park would have made far better use of the property. Six storeys can deliver substantial density without the much higher structural, mechanical, elevator, and fire-safety costs associated with 10-, 20-, or 30-storey towers. On that point, I agree that the city should have master-planned the site rather than issued such an open-ended RFP.

Where I disagree is the suggestion that I’m advocating the failed “towers in the park” model. That’s an overly broad comparison. I also think planning orthodoxy can become too rigid. Good planning should respond to the characteristics of a place rather than dismiss an entire development form because it failed elsewhere under different circumstances.

Saint John is unusually well suited to exploring different forms of high-rise development. We have extensive coastline, dramatic topography, abundant green space, and exceptional views. There is real value in building upward to unlock those views while preserving more land at ground level. Done well, elements of the “tower in the park” concept could work particularly well in Saint John. Our coastline, topography, green space, and views create opportunities that shouldn’t be dismissed simply because planning orthodoxy has moved away from the model.

More broadly, we should concentrate growth where infrastructure already exists: the Central Peninsula, North End, West Side, East Saint John, and established commercial and transit nodes. Unfortunately, our planning and zoning rules still prevent or complicate residential development in some of the very places where it makes the most sense.

So I don’t advocate density for its own sake, and I don’t think Belyea presented a binary choice between towers and townhouses. I just think Saint John should be more flexible and ambitious about what we build, particularly on unique sites with exceptional views and redevelopment potential.

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St. Patrick’s School Redevelopment ☘️







Saw these interior pics of the redevelopment before on FB and forgot to post on here:









Interested to see what the final product looks like.


Also, here’s a picture I took of the Martello Tower from the Harbour Bridge:

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From Eric Savoie's Facebook. First mention of the trade corridor project I have seen in several months. I can see about half of the city council present, all or most of the new folks.

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Today, had the opportunity with City Council to tour Port Saint John and Irving Pulp and Paper to learn more about the importance of the Saint John Trade Corridor Project.

At a time of growing trade uncertainty and escalating U.S. tariffs, Saint John has an important role to play in building Canada strong.
We need to focus on what we can control, building our strength at home, backing Canadian workers and businesses, and diversifying our trade relationships abroad.

That means making generational investments in the infrastructure that connects our region to the world, our port, rail, roads, trade corridor, and local industries.

These investments will help Canadian products reach new markets, strengthen supply chains, create good jobs, and give our businesses the certainty and capacity they need to compete globally.

Saint John is not on the sidelines of Canada’s future, we are helping build it.

By working together… governments, industry, workers, and community, we can build a stronger, more resilient, and more independent Canadian economy.


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