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Old Posted Jul 11, 2026, 3:13 PM
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YOW-LHR this past week

Monday: AC889 full Y/PY, 25/31 J; AC888 full Y, 26/31 J, 23/24 PY
Wednesday (788): AC889 19/20 J, 20/21 PY; AC888 full J 16/21 PY
Thursday: AC889 11/31 J, 10/24 PY; AC888 full Y/PY/J
Saturday (788): full Y/J, 19/21 PY; AC888 18/20 J, 19/21 PY
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2026, 8:49 PM
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RomanR27, I wanted to thank you (and Dominion301) for continually posting these stats. I don’t often comment on them, but I really appreciate that they are posted.

Of course, this week I could comment about the Cheapskates who traveled on Thursday – only 11/31 J and 10/24 PY on AC889. Those are curiously low numbers.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2026, 4:39 PM
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My pleasure Richard!

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You can certainly see why PHX goes, while MIA returns. Even though MIA was weak, its trajectory was in the positive direction. You can also see why PD are dropping EWR to 1x daily, not just April, but the past several months.

UA to EWR that's uncharacteristically weak. For AC and MCO, it makes you wonder whether that's a data entry error and the directional loads were reversed.
It's interesting to see the relative strength of TPA compared to RSW/MIA, considering TPA isn't increasing capacity this winter, whereas, at peak, RSW and MIA have increased +2/+1 respectively. Both also are starting earlier than TPA.

I think the AC MCO numbers are correct. The weekly Friday evening flight south is likely much more attractive than the Thursday midday flight north. The lone April flight south was Good Friday as well, so a high demand day. Given Porter did quite well on MCO in April, I'm sure they were grateful that AC stopped service early in the month.

I'm still quite surprised AC didn't add a second frequency to MCO with the equipment change to the 223. I'll try and compile the seasonal stats at some point, but (assuming constant demand), but any flight with a load over 72.5% would be more than the 233 holds.

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Old Posted Jul 13, 2026, 7:01 AM
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RomanR27, I wanted to thank you (and Dominion301) for continually posting these stats. I don’t often comment on them, but I really appreciate that they are posted.

Of course, this week I could comment about the Cheapskates who traveled on Thursday – only 11/31 J and 10/24 PY on AC889. Those are curiously low numbers.
No problem. Speaking of which, here's Sunday's belated counts:

Sunday’s departure count: 93

Sunday's cancellation count: 3 - including AC 7867 to YTZ

Today’s departure count: 96

Today's cancellation count (so far): 1 - AC 7867

AF 327 on gate 17A, AC 345 on 15 & AC 888 on 15B
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2026, 2:27 PM
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Of course, this week I could comment about the Cheapskates who traveled on Thursday – only 11/31 J and 10/24 PY on AC889. Those are curiously low numbers.
Wow that's a pretty elitist comment
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2026, 2:45 PM
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Sorry. I should have put <SARCASM> tags around that – for those who can’t recognize when a tongue is in a cheek.

The point was that I was curious as to why the more expensive seats appeared to be mostly empty on that one day, compared to other days when they are mostly filled.

Unfortunately, the fact that I was smiling while I typed the flippant suggestion that the plane must have been full of people who were not going to part with a nickel more than they needed to was not evident to some reading the comment. I need to be more sensitive to how readers can interpret what I write.
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2026, 2:49 PM
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Sorry. I should have put <SARCASM> tags around that – for those who can’t recognize when a tongue is in a cheek.

The point was that I was curious as to why the more expensive seats appeared to be mostly empty on that one day, compared to other days when they are mostly filled.

Unfortunately, the fact that I was smiling while I typed the flippant suggestion that the plane must have been full of people who were not going to part with a nickel more than they needed to was not evident to some reading the comment. I need to be more sensitive to how readers can interpret what I write.
I wouldn't be surprised if the J and PY seats were in fact much fuller with last-minute upgrades at the airport...probably mostly catering to those with status and not necessarily much additional revenue.
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2026, 3:50 PM
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A couple more observations I've notices about PD's route map as someone who checks every week or two:
- They usually don't take off routes that were previously served and then cancelled, until I checked today. For example, YUL-SFO/LAX/LAS was still showing for a long time after they got cut. I want to say at least a year but I'm not sure. They've been taken down now.
- YOW-PHX is also gone but LAS is still there. I heard a rumour that YOW is getting LAS back eventually so that lines up.

https://www.flyporter.com/en-ca/book-flights/where-we-fly/route-map
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2026, 3:52 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised if the J and PY seats were in fact much fuller with last-minute upgrades at the airport...probably mostly catering to those with status and not necessarily much additional revenue.
And that might be part of the answer. It might be that RomanR27 gets the statistics at different times. Perhaps sometimes the numbers include the upgrades, and that time it didn’t.

I’ll note that many airlines now offer a ‘BID’ to get upgraded, so those who get upgraded might actually be contributing more additional revenue than we expect. I have found that the suggested ‘BID’ seems high. I wonder how much the ‘BID’ process is used vs. upgrades based on status?
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2026, 4:16 PM
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And that might be part of the answer. It might be that RomanR27 gets the statistics at different times. Perhaps sometimes the numbers include the upgrades, and that time it didn’t.

I’ll note that many airlines now offer a ‘BID’ to get upgraded, so those who get upgraded might actually be contributing more additional revenue than we expect. I have found that the suggested ‘BID’ seems high. I wonder how much the ‘BID’ process is used vs. upgrades based on status?
The "suggested" bid is often inflated because the airlines want to make money (who would have thought? [sarcasm!]). I've won bids before spending $5-50 above the minimum bid. You kind of need to go in with the expectation that you won't win, and if you do, then that's great. I also usually only bid when work is paying for my ticket in economy.

There's an entire algorithm and game behind it that is anyone's guess how it works. I have noticed if I an in econoflex (WJ) or Comfort (AC) [higher fare buckets, and work has paid], I have won a lot of bids. It's a short route on a CRJ but I spent $5 above the min bid on an upgrade YXY-YVR last summer. A free airplane meal, a couple drinks, and a seat with no neighbours was worth it for me since the rest of the ticket was paid for.
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2026, 4:40 PM
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I edited the original post, but I had the right numbers but wrong percentage for the April DoT numbers for PD's TPA flight. It now reads

TPA: 1098/1584 = 69.3%

And yes, I'm definitely not diligent about when I grab the LHR numbers. It's at most 24 hours in advance. I had a friend bid Aeroplan points last summer for Y->PY on YOW-LHR and it was processed more than 24 hours in advance, so he'd already be counted as a "booked" pax. Any status pax e-upgrading will be on the list and typically wouldn't be showing in the numbers I post unless they've already been confirmed.

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A couple more observations I've notices about PD's route map as someone who checks every week or two:
- They usually don't take off routes that were previously served and then cancelled, until I checked today. For example, YUL-SFO/LAX/LAS was still showing for a long time after they got cut. I want to say at least a year but I'm not sure. They've been taken down now.
- YOW-PHX is also gone but LAS is still there. I heard a rumour that YOW is getting LAS back eventually so that lines up.

https://www.flyporter.com/en-ca/book-flights/where-we-fly/route-map
From the April DoT numbers, YYZ-LAS had impressive 88.4% loads, and of all PD's TB routes, that had the second highest number of available seats behind YYZ-LGA (which is an absolute disaster). So LAS demand still seems to be pretty good.
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2026, 7:14 PM
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Canadian North doubles size of YOW cargo facility as Arctic sovereignty grabs spotlight

By Mia Jensen, OBJ
July 10, 2026




Terminal upgrades and new restaurants have been welcome additions for those travelling through the Ottawa International Airport in recent years, but a locally headquartered airline is driving growth in a more overlooked area of the airport’s operations.

Last month, Ottawa-based carrier Canadian North officially opened its new 42,646-square-foot cargo facility near YOW at 145 Thad Johnson Private. The project represents a $22-million investment in the airline’s local infrastructure, doubling the capacity of its previous facility down the road.

The airline specializes in transporting passengers and cargo to remote communities across Nunavut and the Northwest Territories. President and CEO Shelly De Caria told OBJ the decision to strengthen its position in Ottawa was strategic.

“Ottawa, the city, is well-positioned geographically, and we do have a modern airport with room to grow,” said De Caria. “As Canada’s Arctic continues to develop, and Northern communities continue to grow, the increase in demand is there, and we see the efficiencies that this new cargo facility is bringing forward, and it’s a much more reliable supply chain.” Nearly 29,000 tonnes of freight moved through YOW in 2025, with most transported on dedicated cargo flights by operations such as FedEx, Cargojet and DHL. Other airlines, including Air Canada, WestJet and Air France, transport cargo on passenger flights.

In its 2025 report, the airport said cargo has become “an increasingly important growth area,” in no small part because of Canadian North.

“It’s something that, as we think about sovereignty and everything going on down south, I think more and more people are putting emphasis on,” Susan Margles, president and CEO of the Ottawa International Airport Authority, told OBJ earlier this year. “Making sure that we have a strong supply chain, particularly to the North, where there’s going to be a lot more defence activity, is important.” As one of the primary connection points for Northern communities, Canadian North transports everyday goods like groceries, diapers, medical supplies and Amazon packages, as well as industrial goods such as tires and replacement parts that keep isolated communities running smoothly.

The new facility adds cooler and freezer space for temperature-sensitive goods, dedicated pharmaceutical storage for delicate materials such as blood samples and even a specific area for transporting human remains.

“You can see the Pampers boxes, you can see the milk going up North, you can see the medicine, the blood samples,” De Caria said of the new facility. “Anything that you get here on a daily basis in Ottawa, they get it via either plane or through the barges and the ships in the summer.” With a fleet of 34 aircraft — mostly Boeing 737s and ATR 42s and 72s — the airline can move 45,000 to 55,000 kilograms of cargo a day. De Caria said the decision to add capacity was part of the airline’s growth planning, which emphasized the need to keep up with demand as geopolitical concerns turn more eyes North.

“We’ve actually positioned ourselves to be able to take on the influx,” she said. “It was very strategic because we knew the expansion of the North was coming. You see it today. We’ve added capacity on Baffin Island because the North is a hotspot right now, and protecting our sovereignty is extremely important. And we are in a position to be able to support that."

In Ottawa specifically, local stakeholders are looking to take advantage of federal investments in defence.

The Ottawa airport has already put its stake in the ground. Margles sits on the city’s defence innovation task force, which is responsible for determining key priorities and securing investment dollars to expand the local defence ecosystem.

In March, the Department of National Defence opened its Ottawa facility, Hangar 14, home of its aerospace engineering test establishment, following extensive renovations.

“We already have a lot of DND activity on campus and we’re actively engaged with them,” said Margles. “We’ve got 90 acres of land on our north field for development and we’re hoping that DND will be one of those tenants, if not a key tenant, on the property in the future.” De Caria will also be paying attention to what happens next. But in the meantime, she said her job is to keep the airline prepared to meet mounting defence needs while also prioritizing the communities it’s served for years.

“We will do what we need to do to ensure that daily service is there for that, and we have room to grow,” she said. “Our mission at Canadian North is to make life better in the communities we serve, as it is an essential service. I’m from the North, so it is a lived experience for me. I almost take it personally. Most people wouldn’t know how big of a hub (Ottawa is) for the North. It is the gateway.”

https://obj.ca/canadian-north-doubles-cargo-facility-arctic-sovereignty/
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Old Posted Jul 14, 2026, 12:52 AM
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I am going to YWG in a few weeks, and booked with AC (because of credits) with my two kids.

I am sending them back on Porter, first time booking with them and they have a reasonable direct flight to YOW. I'm staying a bit longer to do some harvest action, but I think I will choose Porter, too.
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Old Posted Jul 14, 2026, 3:44 AM
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And that might be part of the answer. It might be that RomanR27 gets the statistics at different times. Perhaps sometimes the numbers include the upgrades, and that time it didn’t.
I think this is right. Have flown twice on this route. Once there and a different trip back and both times got my upgrade cleared well in advance. Wheras the other connections via Montreal and Toronto both times didn't get it at all.
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Old Posted Jul 14, 2026, 12:06 PM
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Today’s departure count: 89

Today's cancellation count (so far): 0
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Old Posted Jul 14, 2026, 9:39 PM
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I am going to YWG in a few weeks, and booked with AC (because of credits) with my two kids.

I am sending them back on Porter, first time booking with them and they have a reasonable direct flight to YOW. I'm staying a bit longer to do some harvest action, but I think I will choose Porter, too.
What are you harvesting?
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What are you harvesting?
Wheat and Canola.

...what were you thinking?
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Wheat and Canola.

...what were you thinking?
I had some predictions....
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2026, 12:36 PM
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AC has the following route suspensions loaded over the holidays:

DCA - DEC13 to JAN11
YYC - DEC12 to JAN04
YQB - DEC13 to JAN10
YTZ - DEC15 to JAN08

Altogether, that's up to 9x flights in a given day without service for about a month. So likely we won't hit the winter peak until mid-February through mid-March.

The final day for their sun routes

MCO/NAS - APR02
FLL - APR03
MBJ - APR04
PUJ - APR09
CUN - APR17 (reduces from 6x to 4x weekly as of APR01)
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2026, 10:24 PM
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AC has the following route suspensions loaded over the holidays:

DCA - DEC13 to JAN11
YYC - DEC12 to JAN04
YQB - DEC13 to JAN10
YTZ - DEC15 to JAN08

Altogether, that's up to 9x flights in a given day without service for about a month. So likely we won't hit the winter peak until mid-February through mid-March.

The final day for their sun routes

MCO/NAS - APR02
FLL - APR03
MBJ - APR04
PUJ - APR09
CUN - APR17 (reduces from 6x to 4x weekly as of APR01)
Those suspensions are up to two weeks longer than past years. Since AC no longer has very many connection options there, YYC for them must nowadays largely rely upon Aeroplan biz pax. I would not be surprised to see a 2% domestic traffic decline in December and little overall growth with the switch from 189Y 7M8s to 223s.

Today’s departure count: 90

Today's cancellation count (so far): 0

Today the two PD DH4s to YHZ are showing as departing from gate 30. I can’t remember the last time gate 30 was used let alone twice in the same day.
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