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Old Posted May 5, 2026, 1:01 AM
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Using Google maps to measure, the rail lines infront of the train station should fit 500m trains but is tight!
You mean the existing rail lines.
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Old Posted May 5, 2026, 1:03 AM
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I thought Alto was planning for 400m platforms. That's already quite long for passenger trains so where does the 500m part come in?
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Old Posted May 5, 2026, 1:39 PM
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In an article last week in the Ottawa Lookout newsletter Councilor Marty Carr suggests that the most likely location is on a vacant parcel of land at Tremblay Road and St. Laurent Blvd. Which would be 599 Tremblay.
That would be an insanely stupid location. Less space than Tremblay, worse connection to the O-Train (even with a new bridge or tunnel across the Queensway) and we'd have to build a whole new station from scratch for no advantage.

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Expropriation starting this fall seems…unlikely. They are still musing about potential routes, still doing very preliminary engineering work on the various routes.

Even if they are now ready to go and have a finalized route, the Expropriation Act is a very cumbersome process. Each individual expropriation has to be published in the Canada Gazette, anyone can object to each expropriation, if there is an objection a public hearing is mandatory, and then the court challenges start. Look at how long Frank Meyers fought the expropriation near CFB Trenton.
Seems they have their route now and they know what will need to be purchased/expropriated.

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1700 propriétés touchées par la construction du TGV entre Montréal et Ottawa

Mathieu Berger, Radio-Canada
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Le chemin de fer du futur train à grande vitesse (TGV) entre Montréal et Ottawa traversera environ 1700 propriétés, dont au moins 500 terres agricoles, confirme pour la première fois Alto.

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https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/2251132/tgv-terres-agricoles-agriculteurs-expropriations
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Old Posted May 5, 2026, 5:05 PM
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Et en anglais...

Montreal-Ottawa high-speed rail line could cross 1,700 properties, Alto predicts
Roughly 500 farmers could be affected, CEO says

Mathieu Berger · Radio-Canada
Posted: May 05, 2026 12:58 PM EDT | Last Updated: 4 minutes ago


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/alto-rail-ottawa-montreal-route-property-map-9.7188144
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Old Posted May 5, 2026, 5:09 PM
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1,700 properties, 500 farms isn't bad at all.

One note though, the French "500 terres agricoles" and English "500 farmers" doesn't mean the same thing.
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That would be an insanely stupid location. Less space than Tremblay, worse connection to the O-Train (even with a new bridge or tunnel across the Queensway) and we'd have to build a whole new station from scratch for no advantage.
Councilor trying to act like their riding is special.....

I agree. That would be a poor choice. And really after Alto, how much room does legacy VIA need? It'll see maybe 6 trains per day if the Kingston hub happens?

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1,700 properties, 500 farms isn't bad at all.

One note though, the French "500 terres agricoles" and English "500 farmers" doesn't mean the same thing.
Yep. This is looking rather reasonable. The outcry will still be there. But a lot of it should die down as those who are kilometers aways from RoW lose interest.
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Old Posted May 5, 2026, 6:17 PM
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How viable will be the VIA Ottawa-Montreal route once ALTO opens? Probably not at all. This means a loss of service to Casselman and Alexandria which might not seem a big deal but I'm sure it will have an impact on those communities (which further fuels the anti-ALTO sentiment in rural Eastern Ontario).

Likewise when the Toronto leg opens, we risk losing access to Smiths Falls, Brockville, Gananoque and Kingston from Ottawa if ALTO replaces VIA's Toronto-Ottawa route. I imagine VIA's Toronto-Montreal run would remain viable as a milk run, but we could use a GO type arrangement for Ottawa-Smiths Falls-Kingston. On the other side it would be nice to see an Ottawa-Casselman-Cornwall service.
I'd like to see a more GO like service for those communities outside Ottawa with far more frequent service (maybe hourly, and a bit more frequent at rush) using trains that are more like Line 2. The rest of the seaway corridor should get investment to achieve hourly service at top speed of 200km/h.
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Councilor trying to act like their riding is special.....

I agree. That would be a poor choice. And really after Alto, how much room does legacy VIA need? It'll see maybe 6 trains per day if the Kingston hub happens?



Yep. This is looking rather reasonable. The outcry will still be there. But a lot of it should die down as those who are kilometers aways from RoW lose interest.
If you look at GEOOttawa over the years, you can see that when the new office buildings were constructed along Terminal, they were kept as far south as possible to keep options open for adding platforms back in. Indeed, it appears that VIA retained ownership of the land to keep their options open. From back in 2010: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-via-rail-lands-to-be-developed-1.945993
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I would kill for a GO system in Eastern Ontario; that’s what I hope the VIA network becomes after Alto is built. The key being GO’s pricing model where it doesn’t matter if you book it three months in advance or hop on at the station, you pay the same, reasonable price. If we ever want to be serious about replacing vehicle trips with train travel for intercity trips, we have to stop penalizing people for not planning weeks or months in advance.

Imagine being able to hop on the train in Ottawa with your Presto card and hop off in Gananoque or Kingston for $20? I would take day trips all the time.
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I'd like to see a more GO like service for those communities outside Ottawa with far more frequent service (maybe hourly, and a bit more frequent at rush) using trains that are more like Line 2. The rest of the seaway corridor should get investment to achieve hourly service at top speed of 200km/h.
When I'm in EU, Flixbus picks up alot of this slack and for lower cost than the trains to the same end points. I'm assuming there will still be a need for busses to Montreal from Ottawa, for instance, so perhaps those towns should be getting in Flixbus (or equiv) ear.
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I'd like to see a more GO like service for those communities outside Ottawa with far more frequent service (maybe hourly, and a bit more frequent at rush) using trains that are more like Line 2. The rest of the seaway corridor should get investment to achieve hourly service at top speed of 200km/h.
There was a tremendous amount of talk today on the radio about Ottawa housing affordability and availability of types suitable for growing families (houses with a yard) that is pushing people outside the city. I have spoken about this before, that we are limiting housing types within the city limits. We speak about the missing middle but we are also eliminating single family housing as well, which there is still a big market.

This is creating growth just outside the city limits, and these periphery towns are growing quite large.

Although a GO rail Service seems attractive, most of the rail lines into Ottawa have long ago been lifted. If we want maximum buy in, instead of rail, we need bus service to all the peripheral towns that also serves Ottawa's rural areas. It would be insane to offer an hourly train to Casselman, but offer next to no transit service to Manotick and Richmond, as is the case today. I could see an hourly bus service to peripheral towns that feed into rail heads, but there will need to be public subsidy to make it attractive.

And before certain people go haywire about a public subsidy, I am talking about the local municipality, and particularly the province as is the case with GO in Toronto.

The problem with rail is that really only serves Casselman and Smiths Falls and perhaps Richmond. This misses most of the peripheral towns. If commuter rail is to ever be viable, we need to build ridership with buses.
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There’s still a decently intact RoW from the Trillium Line down through Osgoode, Kemptville and on to Prescott if you wanted to provide as much coverage as possible. But I would start with Smiths Falls, Brockville, Kingston for now.
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'Trepidation' in neighbourhood next to Tremblay station after Alto officials throw cold water on downtown stop
Alto officials praised the current Via station on Tremblay Road while downplaying the potential of a downtown stop during a recent media tour.

By Ben Andrews, Ottawa Citizen
Published May 18, 2026 | Last updated 1 hour ago | 6 minute read


After Alto officials appeared to throw cold water on the idea of building a proposed high-speed rail station downtown, an Ottawa city councillor is hearing “a lot of unease” from residents in the quiet neighbourhood adjacent to another key site under consideration.

Alta Vista Coun. Marty Carr, who represents the area, said some residents in Ottawa’s Eastway Gardens suspect yet another train station could soon be coming to their doorstep.

“I would say the majority of residents in that neighbourhood think that it’s likely that a station would come there,” Carr said.

“There’s a lot of trepidation, and a lot of unknowns. And there are concerns, definitely, homeowners that are very worried about expropriation.”

Eastway Gardens, dubbed Ottawa’s “Alphabet Village” for its unique street names, is located just east of the existing Tremblay Road train stations that currently host Via Rail and the O-Train.

Alto, the federal Crown corporation tasked with building a fully electrified high speed rail line between Toronto and Quebec City, has identified the area as a potential location for its own stop in Ottawa.

Along Avenue U and Avenue T, residents hold a range of opinions on the project, from firm support to staunch opposition.

Avenue T resident Ali Khanafer said he’d rather see Alto build somewhere else.

“Noise, traffic, infrastructure around you,” he said. “The noise of building and constructing, too, on top of that the noise of the whole thing. How much is it going to affect us in the long run?”

After living on Avenue U for nearly 60 years, Lucy Pereira and her husband Gus only plan to leave if they’re moving into a nursing home — or departing for “the other side.”

But Pereira, 80, isn’t fussed about speculation high-speed trains could one day hurtle past her house.

“Ahh, no way,” she said, after learning the federal government is hoping to start construction on the first stretch of tracks between Ottawa and Montreal in 2029.

“It won’t be for us. By the time it’s going to be ready, we won’t be around.”

If Alto ends up choosing the area over other potential sites, Pereira wouldn’t mind.

“If we want a train to go fast, we gotta put it somewhere,” she said. “Look at Europe, the other countries, they pack everything together. Canada’s got tonnes of land. If we cannot live here, we can move someplace else.”

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https://ottawacitizen.com/public-service/alto-high-speed-rail-tremblay-station
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[B]'Trepidation' in neighbourhood next to Tremblay station after Alto officials throw cold water on downtown stop
Alto officials praised the current Via station on Tremblay Road while downplaying the potential of a downtown stop during a recent media tour.
Oh boo hoo.
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Unbelievable. People who buy property between an active rail line and the city’s busiest freeway section insisting that it’s a “quiet neighbourhood and it should remain that way.
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Unbelievable. People who buy property between an active rail line and the city’s busiest freeway section insisting that it’s a “quiet neighbourhood and it should remain that way.
No idea how they manage to find these people for interviews. I live in the neighbourhood, no one I've talked to is mad about it, and we haven't heard anything from the councillor asking for comments or anything. We're all excited for the area to become a lot more lively!
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Just because the opponents shouldn't be the only ones making noise, there is now a supporters website: https://go-alto.ca/en/
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Old Posted May 26, 2026, 6:09 PM
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Ottawa train buff and finance professional starts campaign in support of high-speed rail

By Mia Jensen, OBJ
May 25, 2026


An Ottawa-based professional has started a national campaign to support the construction of Canada’s first high-speed rail line with the message: “Canada has waited long enough. Build Alto.”

David Bellerive is senior officer of finances at the University of Ottawa and has been a train enthusiast and advocate for Canadian passenger rail and infrastructure for years. Since 2021, he’s been a contributor and editor at Rail Fans Canada, a website that documents and examines public rail projects across the country.

Now, with talks around the proposed Alto high-speed rail project heating up, Bellerive is getting directly involved. On Monday, he launched an independent national campaign called Go Alto, which he says is designed to highlight public support for the project.

“Our goal is to make the support visible,” he told OBJ. “We feel that the big issue right now is that it’s easy for people to say that they support it, but I don’t think they feel there’s a clear way for them to express that support.”

Bellerive issued a news release Monday, pointing out that, “… high-speed rail in Canada is not a new or experimental idea: the Québec–Toronto corridor has been studied for decades. The needs are known. So are the limits of the current network. Every year of delay extends the costs of the status quo: lost time, congestion, limited options, stalled productivity, and missed opportunities.”

Alto, the Crown corporation behind the project, is proposing a high-speed rail line from Quebec City to Toronto, with stops in Peterborough, Ottawa, Montreal, Laval and Trois-Rivières. The cost is expected to be between $60 billion and $90 billion.

While there are concerns around the project, especially regarding impacts on agricultural land and property owners, Bellerive said it is popular across political lines and demographic groups. He cited a recent poll by Manitoba-based Probe Research that found that 61 per cent of respondents were in favour of the project, while 19 per cent opposed it.

Ottawa’s business community is among the project’s supporters. Last September, officials at Ottawa Tourism, Invest Ottawa and the Ottawa Board of Trade wrote a letter to Martin Imbleau, president and CEO of Alto, arguing that, “For Ottawa, the Alto project represents a once-in-a-generation opportunity. High-speed rail will place Canada’s capital on the same level as other G7 capitals that have long benefited from modern high-speed rail networks, ensuring that Ottawa is a globally competitive, accessible, and attractive destination for visitors, talent, and investment.”

At a business event in January, Imbleau said the project would be a “generational investment in Canada’s economic future,” adding that it is expected to deliver a one-time, $25-billion impact on the country’s GDP.

Imbleau urged businesses in the National Capital Region to get involved. “Imagine the talent and opportunities that Ottawa will be connected to. So instead of having three different localities, it becomes one big economic region. But before that, we need to build it.”

According to Bellerive, regions elsewhere in the world connected by high-speed rail have seen benefits for business due to quick and easy connections to other major markets.

“If you look at the economic cases around high-speed rail around the world, it creates a network that brings people together, but also it brings networks together,” he said. “That means more people coming into the city, but it also means easier ways for Ottawa companies and businesses to attract talent from other cities … There’s already a lot of real estate in Ottawa, and we also have some very competitive industries. We have the public sector, but we also have the Kanata technology park and other institutions.”

As the project is developed, Bellerive said he doesn’t want to see the diversity of support ignored. At the crux of his advocacy, he said, is a concern that Canadians have waited too long for a project that he believes will have significant positive impacts on the country.

“We’ve had proposals every decade for the last 50 or 60 years and, at this point, we’re still in the same place,” he said. “It’s a massive project, but we are not the first to do it. Imagine being able to go to Montreal for a meeting and being back home before lunch. That is how transformative this is … Our position is that the time of inaction should end now.”

Bellerive said supporters can add their name to the campaign to make their support public. The campaign will also share information and updates about the project, while also providing campaign materials and tools so people can advocate and show their support publicly.

https://obj.ca/ottawa-professional-campaign-in-support-of-high-speed-rail/
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So does this mean the project jumps directly to the appropriations process in these areas?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/ottawa/article/ea...ccess-to-land-for-high-speed-rail-study/
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So does this mean the project jumps directly to the appropriations process in these areas?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/ottawa/article/ea...ccess-to-land-for-high-speed-rail-study/
In an interview with the CBC in March the CEO said:

"They will say no thanks and we'll see you later on, because at one point in time we'll have to have access to this, otherwise we cannot build it. I’m not a private project, I’m representing the state. I’m doing this for the public good. That’s why I’m asking for the collaboration of everyone, because we need this. It has to be built somewhere."
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