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Old Posted May 27, 2026, 5:34 AM
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Anchorage and Juneau are city-boroughs, which are city-counties in the mainland US.

Anchorage Borough has a land area bigger than Rhode Island's land and water, and Juneau Borough have a land area bigger than Delaware's land and water.

Just some perspective on elevation difference.
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Old Posted May 27, 2026, 12:05 PM
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The NYC islands also added drama - the placing of the Statue of Liberty being the most iconic.

I feel NYC still has a wonderful opportunity to build on all of this. It's rare that a city in this day and age has still such major features to exploit, if ever the economics will allow it.

1. The islands becoming unique attractions or parks, each with their own character.

2. The granite hillsides attracting dramatic housing and building (rather than a shelf for a highway)

3. The numerous unused wharfs reborn as waterside regenerations, once again each with their own character. The 'coastline' is made much, much bigger than similar cities, and compacted into walkable distances. There are already famous wharfs where this reinvention has come to fruiion, but imagine if all of them followed suit.


In short, what can be a restriction in a city can become a highlight, and NYC is a good example. However, it can still go further (which is a good thing, it's not reached it's potential yet)


Other good examples include some of the most celebrated of cities, despite their problematic siting - Hong Kong, Venice, San Francisco, Rome, Chongqing, Wuhan, Constantine (Algeria), Istanbul, Amsterdam, Singapore, St Petersburg, Sydney, Edinburgh, Rio, Barcelona.
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Not sure when you were last here but this is what was done to Governor's Island in New York Harbor about 15 years ago. Some of the other islands have contamination issues that need to be sorted before they can be opened to the public though.



There is a rail right-of-way up the west side of Manhattan and the Bronx. The highway was built there because the rail ROW already existed. The only way to move housing closer to the shore than it already is would be to tunnel the rail line. But that would be extremely expensive because of the bedrock.

However, they did do this in Brooklyn, which did not previously have a heavy rail line along the waterfront before they started building housing. The highway came after the housing and runs underneath the boardwalk here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/NZvYuswg8mP8BJSk8
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There is public space along just much of the waterfront on the outside of the perimeter highways in Manhattan and Brooklyn, but very little housing on the exterior of the perimeters. There is a bike trail along the outer periphery of West Side Highway that is connected to a bike trail network that goes throughout New York State. The highways in Manhattan (West Side Hwy and FDR) are partially built on landfill so they will likely never be buried. The West Side Highway was actually elevated until the 1970s. It was torn down due to deterioration and transformed into an at-grade boulevard below 59th Street.

Yeah, in the past 20 years or so, New York has been undergoing a dramatic transformation of its oft-neglected islands' coastlines. Not only Governor's Island been turned into recreational oasis, but as part of the very large push for reconnecting New York with its coastline and islands, a large part of Roosevelt Island and Randall's Island have been devoted to parkland and the public realm in recent-ish years.



Governor's Island














Roosevelt Island









Randall's Island










And almost the whole coast up and down Queens and Brooklyn side of the East River is being regenerated block by block with parkland, public spaces people now flock to, and dramatic towers.



































The Manhattan side is also getting its own glow up. With the East Side Coastal Resiliency Project all along the Lower East Side.













And further uptown, where buildings and the FDR highway abut the very edge of the Manhattan coast, they created the East Side Greenway which is a new long esplanade that juts out into the river for dramatic views and space the people crave.











Construction is ongoing all the way up in East Harlem too as we speak














And all the way down in Battery Park is newly renovated park space that links the city to the waterfront









Not to mention the quite pretty beaches in Rockaway, Queens and Staten Island that have existed for decades.
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And let's not forget the West Side of Manhattan which has a beautiful and accessible coastline for the entirety of its stretch. It's been reinventing itself for the past 20 years or so and is teeming with people during the warmer months. And almost every old pier/wharf has been regenerated into unique hangout spots, cruise terminals, gyms, fields, playgrounds, small beaches, food halls, restaurants, sports fields, museum-on-aircraft-carrier, and even a major film studio. You name it. You can't be a New Yorker without having attended some outing on the West Side coastline

Here are some pics I've taken on this stretch:

























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Old Posted May 27, 2026, 1:53 PM
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Earlier this year I read an article from the 1930s that detailed the grade separation of that project around 1930~. It cost $150 million - a truly staggering sum for a project nobody thinks about today (more than construction of Penn Station), and it doesn't seem to receive much traffic (by NYC standards). That same periodical reported that construction of the IND subway in the late 1920s-early 1930s was about $400 million - at the time the largest civic improvement in the history of Planet Earth.
I believe Amtrak is, at the moment, the only operator that uses those tracks within Manhattan, hence the low traffic volume. The future plan is for Metro North to implement service into Penn Station using those track.
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Old Posted May 27, 2026, 2:52 PM
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I believe Amtrak is, at the moment, the only operator that uses those tracks within Manhattan, hence the low traffic volume. The future plan is for Metro North to implement service into Penn Station using those track.
Yeah, Metro North plans on expanding service to Penn via the West Side line, but first needs additional capacity at Penn. That route will eventually have heavy service.

The MTA is also considering stations along the route, at 59th Street and near Columbia.
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In Summer 2000 I walked around Roosevelt Island by myself for a few hours. I took 1-2 rolls of 35mm slides that I will scan sometime and post here.

At the time the island was semi-abandoned. I noticed it on maps as a teenager but didn't know anything about it so I took the subway there, not knowing the crazy history of the 63rd St. tunnel at the time. I believe that the subway extended one more stop into Queens but it definitely did not connect westward. From memory I believe that that connection opened in 2001 or 2002.

Occasionally subway expansion proposals extend to Brooklyn (typically to Red Hook) under Governor's Island, naturally leading people to want a station for that island. But a station wouldn't make any sense without an aggressive development plan.
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You should visit Roosevelt Island again. It's now fairly busy. There's a new Cornell University campus, the Theodore Roosevelt Memorial at the southern tip, and many thousands of new apartments. The northern third of the island is the last part to be redeveloped (old hospital replaced with highrise apartments).

I doubt Governors Island will ever get subway access, given all the higher priorities. Stony Brook University is building a campus there, kinda following the Cornell model on Roosevelt Island, but I think ferries will be sufficient.
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You should visit Roosevelt Island again. It's now fairly busy. There's a new Cornell University campus, the Theodore Roosevelt Memorial at the southern tip, and many thousands of new apartments. The northern third of the island is the last part to be redeveloped (old hospital replaced with highrise apartments).

I doubt Governors Island will ever get subway access, given all the higher priorities. Stony Brook University is building a campus there, kinda following the Cornell model on Roosevelt Island, but I think ferries will be sufficient.
Like 15 years ago, Stanford was vying with Cornell to build that campus on Roosevelt Island, but it was awarded to Cornell after Stanford withdrew it's proposal.

"...Meanwhile, Stanford University withdrew its $2.5-billion bid to build a Roosevelt Island campus under the initiative on December 16. After weeks of negotiations with the city, it was determined that “it would not be in the best interests of the university to continue to pursue the opportunity,” Stanford said in a statement. It would not elaborate further. The university had proposed a 1.9-million-sq-ft, graduate-level teaching and research campus that was expected to house more than 200 faculty members and more than 2,000 students upon completion..."

https://www.enr.com/articles/11328-cornell-wins-nyc-s-applied-sciences-competition

That would have been very cool had it happened imo.
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Like 15 years ago, Stanford was vying with Cornell to build that campus on Roosevelt Island, but it was awarded to Cornell after Stanford withdrew it's proposal.
Yeah, I remember all this. As a Cornell grad, I'm happy with the new campus. It has been good for the university and for NYC, but it would be amazing to have a Stanford campus in NYC. Maybe one day.
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Did anybody mention Fresh Kills? Just because it don’t have no skyscrapers don’t mean it ain’t worth mentioning, none, ain’t it?
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All looks so gorgeous, blown away by how livable it all is!

Pittsburgh is also fire
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Cincinnati has many similar hillside staircases and had five inclines until the last one was torn down in 1947. The big difference between Cincinnati and Pittsburgh inclines is that the Cincinnati streetcars traveled on the inclines as part of their regular routes:


One of the more ridiculous contraptions I've seen. I mean, why not just move the people up and down the hill rather then the streetcars themselves?

Can't imagine why they didn't last...
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In Summer 2000 I walked around Roosevelt Island by myself for a few hours. I took 1-2 rolls of 35mm slides that I will scan sometime and post here.

At the time the island was semi-abandoned. I noticed it on maps as a teenager but didn't know anything about it so I took the subway there, not knowing the crazy history of the 63rd St. tunnel at the time. I believe that the subway extended one more stop into Queens but it definitely did not connect westward. From memory I believe that that connection opened in 2001 or 2002.
Yeah, they didn't connect the line through Roosevelt Island to the Queens Boulevard line until 2001. Since 2001 you have been able to go east from Roosevelt Island to Jamaica, Queens.

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I doubt Governors Island will ever get subway access, given all the higher priorities. Stony Brook University is building a campus there, kinda following the Cornell model on Roosevelt Island, but I think ferries will be sufficient.
Everyone should really try as hard as possible to experience Governors Island before this happens. It's a great public space with extraordinary history right now but the historical feel will probably soon be developed away.
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Yeah, I remember all this. As a Cornell grad, I'm happy with the new campus. It has been good for the university and for NYC, but it would be amazing to have a Stanford campus in NYC. Maybe one day.

as a Stanford grad... glad Stanford didn't do that.
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Vienna/Austria:
Vienna stretches from an altitude of 151m (495ft) in the eastern district of "Lobau" to 542m (1,778ft) at the "Hermannskogel" in the Vienna Woods. The historic city center with St. Stephen's Cathedral is centrally located at around 172m (564ft) above sea level.
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Vienna/Austria:
Vienna stretches from an altitude of 151m (495ft) in the eastern district of "Lobau" to 542m (1,778ft) at the "Hermannskogel" in the Vienna Woods. The historic city center with St. Stephen's Cathedral is centrally located at around 172m (564ft) above sea level.
thanks, I added Vienna to the list!
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