Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion II

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by madog222

Survey open until the end of the month on new weekend seasonal bus service around Stanley Park from Waterfront.

Initially proposed for 15min frequency 9am-9pm on weekends mid April to Labour Day.

https://translinklistens.ca/stanley-park-improvements


Image from Translink

They're gonna have to do something about the wannabee Tour de Francers hogging the curb lane.

[GenWhy?]

*using the curb lane

[jollyburger]

5 dead, 10 injured after falls into Vancouver's Grandview Cut over past decade

ive people have died and 10 others have been injured over the past decade after falling down a steep embankment in East Vancouver, according to new data from Vancouver Fire Rescue Services.

The incidents happened along a portion of the Grandview Cut — a manmade ravine created for train tracks to run through East Vancouver — located near the Commercial-Broadway SkyTrain station, which is surrounded by chain link fencing.

Some locals say more needs to be done to keep people safe and out of the area.

Laura Christensen lived across the street overlooking the cut for almost a decade.

She said she would regularly see people on the other side of the fence, storing belongings or even camping on a ledge just beside the steep dropoff.

“It’s really steep and people tend to hang out here,” said Christensen, a current Vancouver Park Board commissioner. “Just seeing people being really close to the edge and knowing that could happen is really unnerving.”

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/grandview-cut-falls-9.7202509

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/grandview-cut-falls-9.7202509
...Some locals say more needs to be done to keep people safe and out of the area...

I dunno. If there's a chain link fence, it's reasonably well designed to prevent easy bypass it and it's in good repair then the onus is on those who deliberately find a way around, isn't it? How far do we have to go to prevent people intent on doing dangerous things?

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

I dunno. If there's a chain link fence, it's reasonably well designed to prevent easy bypass it and it's in good repair then the onus is on those who deliberately find a way around, isn't it? How far do we have to go to prevent people intent on doing dangerous things?

I watched the video. It's not in good repair - there are holes.

[Lexus]

• Video Link

DJI_0447 by Lexus LX 700, on Flickr

DJI_0449 by Lexus LX 700, on Flickr

DJI_0453 by Lexus LX 700, on Flickr

DJI_0454 by Lexus LX 700, on Flickr

Mark V in testing stage

DJI_0450 by Lexus LX 700, on Flickr

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

I dunno. If there's a chain link fence, it's reasonably well designed to prevent easy bypass it and it's in good repair then the onus is on those who deliberately find a way around, isn't it? How far do we have to go to prevent people intent on doing dangerous things?

I don't know what changed in the last 15 years but it seems chain link fences are almost useless now at keeping people out. Often you see fences where in a 50 foot stretch there's multiple holes because I guess good wire cutters got cheaper?

The solution is unfortunately fences that are either made of larger diameter vertical bars, solid steel panel fencing or you weave steel strips horizontally through the chain link.

How far do we have to go to prevent people intent on doing dangerous things?

I mean, when the punishment for trespassing is a stern point of the finger and "Don't do it again, promise?"....

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by MIPS

I mean, when the punishment for trespassing is a stern point of the finger and "Don't do it again, promise?"....

Yeah, lax enforcement is part of the problem. Still, by and large these people aren't hurting anyone else by squatting there. I just wonder how much time and effort (i.e., dollars) is reasonable to expend. Perhaps the answer is to make the area unusable by installing the human equivalent of those spiky things they use to keep birds from nesting on surfaces above roads and sidewalks.

[trofirhen]

Would it be feasible and/or a good idea to install platform doors on Sytrain & Canada Line platforms? (I heard via the grapevine that Main Street station is bad for suicides.)
Also, platform doors might eliminate someone falling off the platform onto the electric rail during very crowdwd periods. /// If these, in fact, not issues, then please inform me.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Would it be feasible and/or a good idea to install platform doors on Sytrain & Canada Line platforms? (I heard via the grapevine that Main Street station is bad for suicides.)
Also, platform doors might eliminate someone falling off the platform onto the electric rail during very crowdwd periods. /// If these, in fact, not issues, then please inform me.

Canada Line will probably be the first when all platforms are upgraded to 50m and we get the proposed middle cars. SkyTrain will be when all rolling stock has the doors in the same exact locations.

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Would it be feasible and/or a good idea to install platform doors on Sytrain & Canada Line platforms? (I heard via the grapevine that Main Street station is bad for suicides.)

No. It's a waste of money. The transit authority (and I guess us by an extent) shouldn't have to pay to cover the shortcomings of the mental health system, much less the "they might still be alive if you had installed them" BS you get from people who themselves knew someone close enough to be aware of their problem but can come up with an infinite number of excuses as to why it should not be their fault an individual went through it it anyways.

[Mac Write]

Can someone get a drone video of an assembled Mark V @OMC2 coming out of the building and over the bridge? I just can see how it's possible to fit the train assembled and go through the switches to go from inside the building to the powered track to go over to OMC1

[Vantage]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Would it be feasible and/or a good idea to install platform doors on Sytrain & Canada Line platforms? (I heard via the grapevine that Main Street station is bad for suicides.)
Also, platform doors might eliminate someone falling off the platform onto the electric rail during very crowdwd periods. /// If these, in fact, not issues, then please inform me.

It feels like I am in the minority on this issue, but I am against platform screen doors for SkyTrain. I'm not so sure about the feasibility of cheaply installing PSDs on the SkyTrain system. I don't think it's worth the money retrofitting them onto already existing platforms. Platforms are already narrow enough as it is, they will feel claustrophobic as hell with PSDs. They also look ugly and interfere with trainspotting/railfanning.

Then there's the well known issue of door spacing.

[jollyburger]

Possibly $700 million for Surrey BRT (Brenda Locke)

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/king-george-boulevard-brt-translink-cost-escalation

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Vantage

Then there's the well known issue of door spacing.

Once all the Mark I/II/IIIs are retired, we can definitely consider platform doors.

But yes, the TTC's estimated retrofits at $44 million to $55 million per station; given the choice between $3+ billion worth of PSDs or a new SkyTrain line, I'd rather have the new line.

[dpogue]

Originally Posted by Mac Write

Can someone get a drone video of an assembled Mark V @OMC2 coming out of the building and over the bridge? I just can see how it's possible to fit the train assembled and go through the switches to go from inside the building to the powered track to go over to OMC1

It doesn't come out of the OMC2 building. Each Mark V car is craned off of a flatbed truck onto the tracks, coupled to any earlier vehicles, then pulled towards OMC1 to make space on the tracks for the next car.

It's done one car at a time, not as a full train.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by dpogue

It doesn't come out of the OMC2 building. Each Mark V car is craned off of a flatbed truck onto the tracks, coupled to any earlier vehicles, then pulled towards OMC1 to make space on the tracks for the next car.

It's done one car at a time, not as a full train.

The only footage I think we have is the 2023 arrival of some cars.

• Video Link

One of the end cars is pulled into OMC2 and then pulled away. The middle section car gets unloaded and they mate the two. Agreed that they are split up and taking in segments if they obviously can't make it to the other yard as a single train.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Vantage

Platforms are already narrow enough as it is, they will feel claustrophobic as hell with PSDs. They also look ugly and interfere with trainspotting/railfanning.

Then there's the well known issue of door spacing.

Yes, this is true. This is exactly how I felt in Taipei Metro when they install PSD on existing stations with narrower platforms, even when they are only half-height (so won't help most of the issues that need to be solved here) and most stations there have center platforms (so already much wider than what we have here).

The newer stations that comes with full-height PSD are built with much wider platforms.

[Mac Write]

I know they are trucked in and then assembled on site

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Mac Write

I know they are trucked in and then assembled on site

Pretty hard to imagine how else they might do it...