HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > Ottawa-Gatineau > Transportation


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #141  
Old Posted Apr 1, 2026, 5:31 PM
Uhuniau Uhuniau is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 9,077
I really don't recall the last time I saw an OC Transpo employee who wasn't behind the controls of a vehicle.
__________________
___
Enjoy my taxes, Orleans (and Kanata?).
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #142  
Old Posted Apr 1, 2026, 7:44 PM
Spoonsy's Avatar
Spoonsy Spoonsy is offline
You call that a knife?
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Centretown West
Posts: 326
Quote:
Originally Posted by rocketphish View Post
OC Transpo closes all Line 1 station bathrooms due to vandalism, needles

<snip>
In one "particularly severe case" of vandalism, Lo said the floor at Bayview station had to be excavated after concrete was flushed down the toilet.
<snip>
What the actual hell?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #143  
Old Posted Apr 1, 2026, 9:23 PM
lrt's friend lrt's friend is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 12,804
Unsupervised public washrooms will never work.

I know I am nuts, but these washrooms should be associated with a coffee shop and some sort of city/OC information kiosk that are manned at all hours when the washrooms are open to the public. Did we ever look at how other cities have successfully operated public washrooms at transit stations? Surely, there are best practices.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #144  
Old Posted Apr 2, 2026, 4:52 PM
eltodesukane eltodesukane is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 1,146
Why not every station having washrooms?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #145  
Old Posted Apr 5, 2026, 12:11 AM
OttawaSkyriseLover OttawaSkyriseLover is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2026
Posts: 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by phil235 View Post
Not sure I follow. I get that he is not transit oriented (and seemed to enjoy using a number of car-centric dog whistles), but what do you mean about identity politics?
Catherine McKenney is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns. I helped campaign for them and unfortunately heard lots of disparaging remarks...
Anecdotal, yes, but i don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that Ottawa was not ready for someone like them to lead the city. Specifically the suburbs...
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #146  
Old Posted Apr 7, 2026, 12:31 AM
DarthVader_1961 DarthVader_1961 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 474
Tv show - Construction fails - LRT

stumbled across a tv show called Construction Fails.

They go through Ottawa LRT construction/history and issues…

Can’t find a YouTube link

TV show mentions that expansion is on hold for 25 years.. first I heard of that

Last edited by DarthVader_1961; Apr 7, 2026 at 12:32 AM. Reason: Add text
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #147  
Old Posted Apr 8, 2026, 12:58 PM
J.OT13's Avatar
J.OT13 J.OT13 is online now
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 29,003
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthVader_1961 View Post
stumbled across a tv show called Construction Fails.

They go through Ottawa LRT construction/history and issues…

Can’t find a YouTube link

TV show mentions that expansion is on hold for 25 years.. first I heard of that
That last bit is false. It's being expanded like, right now. If Stage 3 is delayed, that's a Sutcliffe thing.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #148  
Old Posted Apr 8, 2026, 2:46 PM
Truenorth00 Truenorth00 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 29,056
Quote:
Originally Posted by J.OT13 View Post
That last bit is false. It's being expanded like, right now. If Stage 3 is delayed, that's a Sutcliffe thing.
Stage 3 isn't happening for at least a decade or more. Look at the projected cost. Look at ridership trends. There's no council that will vote in tax increases for a massive capital expansion that doesn't generate substantial ridership. Time for them to actually focus on making OC Transpo functional.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #149  
Old Posted Apr 8, 2026, 3:04 PM
lrt's friend lrt's friend is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 12,804
We should be planning the western extension by one stop to Eagleson right now. Moodie is a horrendous terminus in the middle of nowhere. Eagleson would give an opportunity to finally have a Park n Ride on the western extension and the possibility of directing every Kanata and Stittsville bus route into the rail head and do away with double transfers that likely will continue with the Moodie terminus. It also allows those in the rural hinterland to use transit, which is now not very practical with the Moodie terminus. Look at the success of the Limebank Park n Ride. If we want to reverse negative ridership numbers, an Eagleson extension makes a whole lot of sense.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #150  
Old Posted Apr 8, 2026, 3:05 PM
J.OT13's Avatar
J.OT13 J.OT13 is online now
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 29,003
Quote:
Originally Posted by Truenorth00 View Post
Stage 3 isn't happening for at least a decade or more. Look at the projected cost. Look at ridership trends. There's no council that will vote in tax increases for a massive capital expansion that doesn't generate substantial ridership. Time for them to actually focus on making OC Transpo functional.
I'd like to see at least the extensions to Eagleson and Fallowfield just to catch those park and rides. Otherwise, yeah, they should focus on fixing what they have, both the train and the bus system, along with building the long planned BRTs.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #151  
Old Posted Apr 8, 2026, 4:16 PM
Truenorth00 Truenorth00 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 29,056
Quote:
Originally Posted by J.OT13 View Post
I'd like to see at least the extensions to Eagleson and Fallowfield just to catch those park and rides.
Isn't the combined price tag for just those over $3B? That's more than we spent on Stage 1. It's awfully difficult to argue this is value for money. That same money to build every BRT on the books, fully electrify the bus fleet, and go a long way to basic ridership quality of life like signage, shelters, etc.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #152  
Old Posted Apr 8, 2026, 4:45 PM
NOWINYOW NOWINYOW is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 480
Quote:
Originally Posted by lrt's friend View Post
We should be planning the western extension by one stop to Eagleson right now. Moodie is a horrendous terminus in the middle of nowhere. Eagleson would give an opportunity to finally have a Park n Ride on the western extension and the possibility of directing every Kanata and Stittsville bus route into the rail head and do away with double transfers that likely will continue with the Moodie terminus. It also allows those in the rural hinterland to use transit, which is now not very practical with the Moodie terminus. Look at the success of the Limebank Park n Ride. If we want to reverse negative ridership numbers, an Eagleson extension makes a whole lot of sense.
Eagleson makes perfect sense for a relatively short line expansion.


1 - Construction would not interfere with Moodie station operations. 2 - Greatly reduce the need for buses to congregate on the Queensway between Eagleson and Moodie. Effectively, OC Transpo could do all Kanata / Stittsville operations starting and ending at Eagleson.

I don't get out that far on the Queensway often but if memory serves isn't the park and ride on the south side of the Queensway? Eagleson station would be on the north side? I suppose a pedestrian overpass would work well.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #153  
Old Posted Apr 8, 2026, 5:04 PM
J.OT13's Avatar
J.OT13 J.OT13 is online now
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 29,003
Quote:
Originally Posted by Truenorth00 View Post
Isn't the combined price tag for just those over $3B? That's more than we spent on Stage 1. It's awfully difficult to argue this is value for money. That same money to build every BRT on the books, fully electrify the bus fleet, and go a long way to basic ridership quality of life like signage, shelters, etc.
Costs for rail projects (and any big infra projects in general) have ballooned. We can't really compare with Stage 1, otherwise we'd never build another rail project.

Adding Eagleson and Fallowfield with their respective park and rides to the O-Train network could lift a pretty significant barrier to ridership by simplifying the trip and saving significant amount of time to commuters in Kanata and Barrhaven.

Quote:
Originally Posted by NOWINYOW View Post
Eagleson makes perfect sense for a relatively short line expansion.


1 - Construction would not interfere with Moodie station operations. 2 - Greatly reduce the need for buses to congregate on the Queensway between Eagleson and Moodie. Effectively, OC Transpo could do all Kanata / Stittsville operations starting and ending at Eagleson.

I don't get out that far on the Queensway often but if memory serves isn't the park and ride on the south side of the Queensway? Eagleson station would be on the north side? I suppose a pedestrian overpass would work well.
Eagleson network of pedestrian walkways will be something to behold.

Reply With Quote
     
     
  #154  
Old Posted Apr 8, 2026, 5:17 PM
OCCheetos OCCheetos is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 2,111
Quote:
Originally Posted by lrt's friend View Post
We should be planning the western extension by one stop to Eagleson right now. Moodie is a horrendous terminus in the middle of nowhere. Eagleson would give an opportunity to finally have a Park n Ride on the western extension and the possibility of directing every Kanata and Stittsville bus route into the rail head and do away with double transfers that likely will continue with the Moodie terminus. It also allows those in the rural hinterland to use transit, which is now not very practical with the Moodie terminus. Look at the success of the Limebank Park n Ride. If we want to reverse negative ridership numbers, an Eagleson extension makes a whole lot of sense.
Objectively speaking, the Eagleson park and ride is poorly situated to connect to the planned LRT station.

It's on the wrong side of the highway, and even if a direct pedestrian overpass were built it would challenge the Pickering pedestrian overpass's title for "longest pedestrian crossing in the world". A shuttle bus to Moodie would quite literally be time competitive with a direct pedestrian crossing.

Really I wonder how much of a future the Eagleson lot has.

Anyway, if we're extending the line westward, it should at least go to Terry Fox to enable the connection to all of the local services. That would help build up ridership on the local routes, which would do a lot more to offset the high subsidy rate those routes have compared to a park and ride lot. Plus, that's how the planned extension is phased anyhow
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #155  
Old Posted Apr 9, 2026, 12:38 PM
eltodesukane eltodesukane is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 1,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by OCCheetos View Post
... it should at least go to Terry Fox ...
Yes, yes, yes!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #156  
Old Posted Apr 9, 2026, 6:27 PM
lrt's friend lrt's friend is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 12,804
Quote:
Originally Posted by OCCheetos View Post
Objectively speaking, the Eagleson park and ride is poorly situated to connect to the planned LRT station.

It's on the wrong side of the highway, and even if a direct pedestrian overpass were built it would challenge the Pickering pedestrian overpass's title for "longest pedestrian crossing in the world". A shuttle bus to Moodie would quite literally be time competitive with a direct pedestrian crossing.

Really I wonder how much of a future the Eagleson lot has.

Anyway, if we're extending the line westward, it should at least go to Terry Fox to enable the connection to all of the local services. That would help build up ridership on the local routes, which would do a lot more to offset the high subsidy rate those routes have compared to a park and ride lot. Plus, that's how the planned extension is phased anyhow
My comment ties in with Phase 3 being delayed indefinitely. My one stop extension suggestion is more easily doable and it is more easy to justify the expense. Sure, Terry Fox is the ideal but at double or triple the cost of going one stop, we actually get to the edge of Kanata. Better than waiting a generation for the ideal. Who wants a shuttle bus that you might have to wait for half an hour instead of a 5 minute or so walk over the Queensway to eliminate waiting twice?

I cannot imagine closing the Eagleson Park n Ride. I went to the city website and it is one of two P&R's in Kanata, both listed as filling up early. Since when is popularity a good reason to close it. About half of the Park n Rides are so poorly located that they are mostly empty every day. We need Park n Rides that are connected to our rapid transit network.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #157  
Old Posted Apr 9, 2026, 6:35 PM
lrt's friend lrt's friend is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 12,804
More problems with our trains reported at today's transit committee meeting

Quote:
Charter told councillors that “additional damage” has been discovered on the cartridge bearing assemblies
https://www.ctvnews.ca/ottawa/article/oc...update-on-o-train-line-1-spalling-issue/
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #158  
Old Posted Apr 9, 2026, 8:07 PM
rocketphish's Avatar
rocketphish rocketphish is offline
Planet Ottawa and beyond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Greater Ottawa
Posts: 14,647
OC Transpo hopes for full LRT service by end of May after 'additional damage' found
New issue impacting plan to help get more train cars on the rails

Arthur White-Crummey · CBC News
Posted: Apr 09, 2026 11:44 AM EDT | Last Updated: 1 hour ago


OC Transpo says recent analysis has found unexpected damage on LRT vehicles that is impacting plans to restore full service, something that is now expected by the end of May.

Line 1 has been running with single-car service since January after "spalling" was found in the cartridge bearing assembly that links the axles to the wheels of the train. Spalling means that metal is flaking off inside.

As a result, OC Transpo has been keeping any train with mileage above 100,000 kilometres off the rails.

Trainmaker Alstom and contractor Rideau Transit Group (RTG) have been working on a solution that could allow OC Transpo to lift that restriction, based in part on sensors that can detect vibrations and help catch problems in near real time.

But OC Transpo says contractors found "additional damage" during a teardown of cartridge bearing assemblies. The damage requires RTG and Alstom to implement further mitigation measures, according to a report to council’s transit committee on Thursday.

"The additional damage that was found was spalling and then a more severe spalling that’s called shelling," said Sabrina Pasian, OC Transpo’s chief safety officer.

Marko Kroenke, the city's director of engineering services, explained that shelling is similar to spalling but involves "more depth of damage" with more material flaking off. Shelling has been found on two train cars, OC Transpo said

Troy Charter, OC Transpo’s director of transit service delivery and rail operations, said the precautionary measures introduced earlier will remain in place.

"It means at this time the 100,000-kilometre limit cannot be reassessed or removed," he said.

The report says the number of vehicles available for service is expected to increase over the next six to eight weeks. As of the most recent update, 23 cars were available, fewer than the 26 that OC Transpo needs to provide double-car service.

OC Transpo says the first phase of condition monitoring is expected to start in six to eight weeks, though it could take two to five months to install them on all train cars.

The report says OC Transpo anticipates that replacing cartridge bearing assemblies "may make it possible for full Line 1 capacity to be restored by the end of May."

OC Transpo was previously hoping to open the LRT east extension to Orléans by the end of June, but Charter confirmed at the meeting on Thursday that the new damage will make that unlikely.

OC Transpo needs additional train cars to begin a formal period of testing known as trial running.

"Yes, there is an impact to trial running," said Charter. "It doesn’t appear that Q2 is achievable."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/oc...-after-additional-damage-found-9.7157652
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #159  
Old Posted Apr 10, 2026, 2:39 PM
Richard Eade Richard Eade is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Nepean
Posts: 2,649
They have been replacing any wheel-bearing assembly that has more than 100,000 km on it. The two bearings with shelling were both found because the bearings had exceeded the limit of 100,000 km and were replaced. That is, the current process has shown that it is already able to deal with the more severe condition – and there’s no plan to decrease the distance limit, from what I have read.

So, why does this latest discovery FURTHER delay what was already happening? Nothing has changed.

Also, the shelling was discovered 2 WEEKS AGO. Why did it take until this update for OC Transpo to let the Transit Committee know what was found?

The Transit Committee needs to call on OC Transpo to reveal EXACTLY what is going on. Was the shelling found in bearings that had only just passed the 100,000 km mark; or ones that had, say, 250,000+ km? The Committee should also know why is it taking a day to re-fit an axle with new bearing cartridges?

This is important stuff. If the shelling is occurring in bearing with little more than the 100,000 km limit, them spalling is very likely happening long before then. It is possible that the travel limit may need to be DECREASED. The earlier that damage is found and examined, the better the chance of identifying a root cause – before compounding issues mask the root.

Since the end of January (i.e., MORE THAN 2 MONTHS) they have gone from 18 available vehicles to 22. They need at least 26 vehicles to run what they are calling ‘normal’ service (although that is a reduction from what we were initially promised) – and 26 vehicles gives them zero buffer. I don’t expect them to reach 26 vehicles until at least mid-June; and maybe the end of June.

How about this for an idea? Take one of the ‘good’ vehicles and run it back and forth along the eastern extension. This will work-in the extension, but mostly it will test those bearing cartridges WITHOUT THE CURVES. Tear down the bearings at 150,000 km and see if they are exhibiting the same amount of degradation as bearings that run along the entire Stage 1 length. This could confirm that it is a fundamental problem (e.g., the bearings are overloaded), if these bearing are similarly damaged. It could also strengthen the suspicion that the curves are causing the issue (e.g., the ‘chattering’ around the curves causing false brinelling).

The idea of adding a vibration sensor is not a bad one, but I expect that it will be more difficult that they imagine. I predict that there will be so many ‘false positive’ readings that it will need to be desensitized to the point of only finding severe wear – which may be too late. That said, it might be possible to ‘geofence’ the readings to ignore any readings taken outside of certain straight, smooth, stretches of track. Having some form of remote sensing of the bearing condition will greatly increase the information about the wear rate. And, if it can be made sensitive enough, it may even give an indication of where along the track damage is occurring. (e.g., If measurements before and after the ‘Hurdman Curves’ consistently differ.)
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #160  
Old Posted Apr 11, 2026, 5:24 PM
Richard Eade Richard Eade is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Nepean
Posts: 2,649
There is no doubt that the Alstom Citadis Spirit was not a ‘tried and true’ vehicle. It was a rather hastily cobbled together vehicle to satisfy some unrealistic requirements that Ottawa imposed. There were some compromises from the city (e.g., the required top speed was dropped from 120 KPH to 100 KPH), but most of the requirements remained, limiting what components could be used. Alstom also had a very limited knowledge of the working environment that the vehicle would be enduring. For example, the electrical insulators on the pantograph were fine for the French environment that it was taken from, but insufficient when doused with salt-water from the ice clearing done on the roads in Ottawa.

As issues with the new Spirit vehicle arose, they were cleared up. Door sensors were adjusted, new electrical insulators were designed and installed, and problems with maintenance procedures were corrected (e.g., the Jack Screws were removed from new wheels before the wheels were installed and torqued down).

However, all of those corrections, although needed, have not made the vehicles reliable enough. Of all of the improvements, there is one main problem that has persisted – the IPONAM bogie.

The design of the IPONAM was the direct result of the requirements that Ottawa put forth for its Light Rail Vehicles. No existing bogie could satisfy those demands so Alstom set about creating one. But with the short lead time to delivery, Alstom relied on modifying existing designs.

Some of the design requirements, and the resulting changes Alstom had to make to create the IPONAM:
100% Low Floor:
  • Brake disks and drive motors moved to outside the bogie frame;
  • Smaller wheel diameter.

Smooth ride with minimum running noise:
  • Resilient wheel design.

120 KPH top speed:
  • Higher gearing between the motor and the wheel. Smaller wheels rotate faster for a given speed – which means an even higher gear ratio was needed.

High acceleration rate:
  • The higher gear ratio meant that a much larger, more powerful, motor is required. (Think of a 10-speed bike. It is easy to start and quickly accelerate in 1st gear, but your top speed will be low. Starting in 10th takes a lot more effort, but you eventually get up to a much higher top speed. Now imagine if you had to accelerate as fast as you do in 1st, but reach the same top speed you do in 10th – but you have to do it without changing the gear ratio. This is in effect, what the city wanted from Alstom.)

Handle tight curves:
  • The carriage would be supported on a central pivot on the bogie, allowing the bogies to turn to better follow the tracks.

Additional climate insulation, which increased the carriage weight:
  • Increased load on the bogie required increased strength.

Ultimately, the top speed requirement was dropped to 100 KPH so that the gearing could be relaxed a bit, so the motors didn’t have to be so large that they stuck out too far, limiting how close the vehicle could get to the platform. Already, the SPIRIT vehicle requires ‘fender flares’ to cover the larger motors.

In the end, this bogie was a completely new design for Alstom’s entry into the North American market. But that, as I mentioned above, led to ‘teething pains’. Since the resilient wheels were a custom size, Alstom found a new supplier for them. However, that manufacturer put the Jack Screws in the wheels for shipping – which had not been done by previous wheel manufacturers. Issues like the Jack Screws are annoying when they are discovered, but fairly easily fixed. What is not so easy to fix is the IPONAM design.

The latest manifestation of the IPONAM problem is that it is eating wheel bearings much too fast. In fact, bearing destruction has been so severe that, in one case, the heat generated was intense enough to melt through the axle, resulting in the separation of the wheel from the axle. In this incident, a loosened pre-load locking ring was blamed. Since then, the locking rings have been pinned to prevent loosening.

However, that is a Band-Aid for the problem. It doesn’t determine WHY the lock nuts were loosening. Just as replacing every Bearing Cartridge Assembly (CBA) that runs more than 100,000 km is covering the symptom, not finding the root problem. (These CBAs were, apparently, designed for a 1.2-million km life.) Their next ‘solution’, is to add a sensor to detect when a bearing goes bad. While, finding a failed bearing is a great thing, it does nothing to increase the service life of the CBAs up to the theoretical design specification.

For years, there has been investigation into finding ways to get around the symptoms of the problem – but no real work on fixing the fundamental problem. There are, I believe, under-designed components in the IPONAM bogie.

My guess as to what is needed:
Based on absolutely no expertise at all, I can logically base a conclusion on what I have read about the problems with the IPONAM.
  • Spalling, and its more severe version, Shelling, are classic signs of overloading of a bearing. I believe that the increased weight of the carriage, the increased torque of the more powerful motor, and to an extent, the higher rotational speed due to smaller diameter wheels, overloads the bearings. They need to be 'beefed up’.
  • The loosening off of the pre-load lock nut should only occur if there is ‘interference’; i.e., drag on that part. This resistance can be from rubbing on a housing, or by being influenced by bearings that are not moving at the correct speed. Excessive flex in the axle shaft might have the ability of overcoming any clearance, causing drag. Any slight deflection of the axle shaft might also cause localized overloading of the bearings – which could show up as spalling. I would suggest that the axle shaft be stiffened to reduce any deflection.

Luckily, those two things can probably be done and analyzed in software before any new casting needs to be made. This is the type of work that needs to be done. Slapping on Band-Aids is not a good way for Alstom to build any confidence in its products.
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > Ottawa-Gatineau > Transportation
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 7:55 PM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.