Winnipeg | Pembina Hwy Developments

[borkborkbork]

Originally Posted by Wpg_Guy

The city unforrunately doesn't really regulate architectural style outside of massing, height, setbacks, landscaping and parking.

I think it's still a bait and switch.

Developers know that the community's response (whether it's opposed, appealed, etc.) has a lot to do with what the renders look like. So, they make it look pretty for the hearing, and then erect whatever piece of shit they want.

The first render has a dozen trees; the second has a handful of shrubs and some karl forester grass.

The first render has what looks like some sort of patio or amenity spaces along the edge of the sidewalk and lots of glazing; the second is built right to the sidewalk and has long stretches of featureless wall.

From the perspective of anyone living nearby, this is a massive downgrade in what's been promised for the neighbourhood. It's fundamentally dishonest, whether or not the city lets them do it.

[Wpg_Guy]

Originally Posted by borkborkbork

I think it's still a bait and switch.

Developers know that the community's response (whether it's opposed, appealed, etc.) has a lot to do with what the renders look like. So, they make it look pretty for the hearing, and then erect whatever piece of shit they want.

The first render has a dozen trees; the second has a handful of shrubs and some karl forester grass.

The first render has what looks like some sort of patio or amenity spaces along the edge of the sidewalk and lots of glazing; the second is built right to the sidewalk and has long stretches of featureless wall.

From the perspective of anyone living nearby, this is a massive downgrade in what's been promised for the neighbourhood. It's fundamentally dishonest, whether or not the city lets them do it.

I agree with you, the city though has zero enforcement tools to make a developer build the exaxct renderings that are presented in the community committee meetings for variances and zoning.

This latest design probably was presented to the city administration and approved prior to construction permits being issued. There is alot of behind the scenes between the city and developers that the public is not privy to.

[neutroniks]

New render is sad. Looks much like the Mayfair tower and just devoid of any colour.

[Wpg_Guy]

Originally Posted by neutroniks

New render is sad. Looks much like the Mayfair tower and just devoid of any colour.

Nothing can be worst than the Mayfair bunker.

[ColdRain&Snow]

I don't think the new design is that bad... the original design wasn't great either.

[WinCitySparky]

Taking away the balconies is just cruel to tenants

[bon_vivant]

Originally Posted by WinCitySparky

Taking away the balconies is just cruel to tenants

When it comes to cost cutting, it seems that balconies are the first thing to go.

[Mr Tall Forehead]

The size of the balconies on some new builds are so small these days they are pretty much full with only the air conditioning unit and a single chair or plant.

[drew]

Originally Posted by WinCitySparky

Taking away the balconies is just cruel to tenants

They cost a lot and then barely get used by the tenants.

[peg]

Originally Posted by drew

They cost a lot and then barely get used by the tenants.

Personally, I could never live in an apartment without a porch or balcony.

Unless there is a really nice outdoor common space or park nearby its cruel tbh.

[ColdRain&Snow]

Building apartments without balconies is not cruel lol. Most apartments in Winnipeg do not have balconies. I lived without one for 3 years while renting in Osborne Village. It's really not a big deal. As Drew said, they hardly get used by most tenants.

[borkborkbork]

Originally Posted by drew

They cost a lot and then barely get used by the tenants.

They introduce complicated thermal-bridging problems, as I understand it.

I have lived in apartments but having a little outdoor space was non-negotiable for me. I ate outside almost every night in the summer. But I also recognize that if you look at many apartments, you can see the patios are totally unused or just used as outdoor storage

[drew]

Originally Posted by borkborkbork

They introduce complicated thermal-bridging problems, as I understand it.

This is a problem for sure. It's especially concerning with all of the wood framed cantilever balconies that are becoming the norm in 6-storey apartment blocks.

Thermal bridging + untreated wood (usually, although some of us are smart about spec'ing PT wood) + concealed spaces + cantilever (i.e. no structural redundancy, just catastrophic failure) = ticking time bombs IMO.

[bon_vivant]

I lived in many apartments in my day. The ones with balconies are much preferred. There's something about having a personal outdoor space to call your own, no matter how small or seldom used. Some people don't care about balconies, and that's fine, but using them for storage is heinous.

[peg]

The money is all that matters...
/s

[Rutlander]

Cambridge Flats

[Rutlander]

Cambridge Flats

[EdwardTH]

Originally Posted by ColdRain&Snow

Building apartments without balconies is not cruel lol. Most apartments in Winnipeg do not have balconies. I lived without one for 3 years while renting in Osborne Village. It's really not a big deal. As Drew said, they hardly get used by most tenants.

Especially balconies that were going to be a few feet away from Pembina. No one was going to hang around out there. It would reek like exhaust and be too loud to have a conversation most of the time.

[bomberjet]

Third job site for Sutton Place guy?

[Rutlander]

Cambridge Flats