Parq Vancouver | Completed

[Feathered Friend]

https://council.vancouver.ca/2024050...0240508min.pdf


https://plposweb.vancouver.ca/Public...ctId=265973118

While there will be lots of fireworks tonight, this proposal to add 300 slot machines to the Parq Casino is sure to trigger a far louder debate. This 50% increase remains lower than the 1,500 rejected in 2011 & is possible as Vancouver city council relaxed restrictions last year

That decision wasn’t unanimous though, with councillors Boyle, Carr, and Fry voting against it. Even Councillor Kirby-Yung expressed strong hesitation, but an absence to handle a last minute phone call meant there was no formal split in party ranks.

https://x.com/City_Duo/status/1940149258424033390

[jollyburger]

Vancouver’s Parq Casino wants to increase slots from 600 to 900

In amending the moratorium on gambling expansion, the current council said applicants must provide a full health and safety and economic impact assessment of their proposals.

In addition, council directed staff to explore opportunities to increase the current “social responsibility fund,” which is a $300,000 annual contribution.

Parq also provides $150,000 a year to the St. Paul’s Foundation.

Municipalities that host casinos receive 10 per cent of the net gaming revenue from casinos within their jurisdiction. In Vancouver’s case, it received $6.1 million from Parq in the 2024-25 fiscal year.

“The applicant has estimated that the proposed expansion of slot machines at the Parq Casino is expected to result in approximately $1 million of additional annual host city revenues to the city during the first three years,” the report said.

Parq Casino has forecasted that roughly 305,00 new players will visit the facility over five years as a result of adding the 300 slots. Additional revenue, employment and “entertainment benefits for an estimated 200,000 non-problem gamblers” are cited as benefits to expansion.

https://www.biv.com/news/economy-law...o-900-11826373

[griswold]

I was in here a few days ago with a friend and he put some money in a slot machine and pushed a button that implied a $1 bet and it ended up being $32. Nowhere on the screen did it say anything about that. That place is a scam.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by griswold

I was in here a few days ago with a friend and he put some money in a slot machine and pushed a button that implied a $1 bet and it ended up being $32. Nowhere on the screen did it say anything about that. That place is a scam.

Going to the casino is s scam who knew.

[WarrenC12]

I don't care for casinos too much, but Parq shouldn't have to go through this level of red tape for more one armed bandits. Who cares? The casinos in Burnaby and Richmond are massive.

[RedArbutus]

Originally Posted by griswold

I was in here a few days ago with a friend and he put some money in a slot machine and pushed a button that implied a $1 bet and it ended up being $32. Nowhere on the screen did it say anything about that. That place is a scam.

Lol they are all like that. Slots at casinos I mean. Gotta watch out for them when they say $1 bets but it's per line and the default Line is like 24 lines.

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by griswold

I was in here a few days ago with a friend and he put some money in a slot machine and pushed a button that implied a $1 bet and it ended up being $32. Nowhere on the screen did it say anything about that. That place is a scam.

Are you saying (**gasp!!**) that they rigged it so the House wins??!?!?!?!?!

God forbid that anyone would even contemplate doing anything so ghastly and underhanded!

/s

[Snow_Wolf]

Originally Posted by Spr0ckets

Are you saying (**gasp!!**) that they rigged it so the House wins??!?!?!?!?!

God forbid that anyone would even contemplate doing anything so ghastly and underhanded!

/s

That's not really what he's saying though

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by Snow_Wolf

That's not really what he's saying though

He's not saying it.
I am.

Maybe not openly "rigged", but certainly slanted in their favour over the long run.

The expression, "The house always wins" doesn't come from nowhere.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Snow_Wolf

That's not really what he's saying though

I mean the "house always wins" was just a facetious remark but rooted in truth which makes it even more humorous.

I mean senior citizens manage to figure out how slots work so I doubt it's that complicated.

[WarrenC12]

Slots are all electronically controlled now in terms of payouts and odds. There are legal minimums in BC but different casinos tweak certain machines, locations, etc.

Source: A friend used to support them for BCLC.

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by griswold

I was in here a few days ago with a friend and he put some money in a slot machine and pushed a button that implied a $1 bet and it ended up being $32. Nowhere on the screen did it say anything about that. That place is a scam.

Indicated denomination is the base cost for one machine play. (one line, no multiplier)
You have to keep an eye on how many lines or multipliers (or even if you opted into the Progressives mode) you've selected or yes, you can on some of the higher-stakes machines blow $50 on one spin. The concept of Penny Slots has been dead for decades.

There is no need to have a warning sign for people who can't read.

Source: That button you pressed was likely on a machine I've repaired.

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Slots are all electronically controlled now in terms of payouts and odds. There are legal minimums in BC but different casinos tweak certain machines, locations, etc.

Source: A friend used to support them for BCLC.

I can confirm this. BC and most other juristictions have not allowed non-audit or offline machines since we phased out coin-in because it became extremely easy to launder money.
(though, that didn't stop them from laundering it anyways...)

Likewise, it was the reason during COVID the casinos could not turn their machines off or it would interrupt the bookkeeping.

[MIPS]

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[kikin]

Originally Posted by MIPS

...
I can confirm this. BC and most other juristictions have not allowed non-audit or offline machines since we phased out coin-in because it became extremely easy to launder money.
(though, that didn't stop them from laundering it anyways...)

Likewise, it was the reason during COVID the casinos could not turn their machines off or it would interrupt the bookkeeping.

I am surprised about "Slots are all electronically controlled now in terms of payouts and odds. There are legal minimums in BC but different casinos tweak certain machines, locations, etc."

Can this be done from the control room on the fly? So the operator can make certain machines looser and others tighter? Crazy to think about and makes one lose confidence in the fairness of the game if so.

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by kikin

Can this be done from the control room on the fly? So the operator can make certain machines looser and others tighter? Crazy to think about and makes one lose confidence in the fairness of the game if so.

No.
As per provincial law, no gambling establishment is allowed to run linked/unlinked "rolling odds" machines. For each machine installed at a casino in BC the paytables, win odds, denomination and game theme licensing must be approved prior to delivery and once programmed by the installer cannot be changed. If a machine switches to another game theme, a new paytable sheet must be approved.

[kikin]

Originally Posted by MIPS

No.
As per provincial law, no gambling establishment is allowed to run linked/unlinked "rolling odds" machines. For each machine installed at a casino in BC the paytables, win odds, denomination and game theme licensing must be approved prior to delivery and once programmed by the installer cannot be changed. If a machine switches to another game theme, a new paytable sheet must be approved.

thanks for this, the other post created the misunderstanding as I was also under the impression that it is as you say

gamblers tend to be superstitious though and won't believe anyways