NEW YORK | 175 Park Avenue (Grand Hyatt) | 1,581 FT | 92 FLOORS

[streetscaper]

I'm certainly disappointed in the changes, definitely value-engineered as many of us here feared could happen.... but not that dissappointed because it's still quite beautiful and also because I never had my hopes up for the tower being built as was presented.

Let's hope for no further value-engineering, but you never know so, again, don't get your hopes up

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

What was it originally, 2.2? It still says this on the official website.

It's always been 2.9 msf. That's the total size. The numbers have adjusted slightly, but it's always been that size.








Back to the design, yes there have been some minor changes, particularly at the base. The stairway has been narrowed, there is a little less transperency (due to chainges around the stairways),
and there has also been some changes to the column massing on the Chrysler facing side.

Also, the "design" of the hanging, circular design thingy has changed, and the hotel entrance stands out more.
None of the changes makes this any less amazing than it is, and hopefully that June or even summer start date happens.




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[Crawford]

It's not an elevation diagram, per the resident insider on NY Yimby forums.

It's useful for design, but useless as height.

[ChiND]

Utterly spectacular!!!

[Crawford]

I actually think the base is better. The pedestrian flow is improved and the entrances are grander. The crown is clearly worse, though. Height/elevation is apparently all irrelevant for this presentation.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Crawford

I actually think the base is better. The pedestrian flow is improved and the entrances are grander. The crown is clearly worse, though.

We haven't seen any crown design in the presentation. The actual (and only) render that they use of the crown is the same as they've been using. Don't put any stock into that graphic if that's what you're referencing.

As far as the entrances go, I still wish they would give us some type of gargoyles at the base of the stairs on 42nd. But it's quite alright if they don't.

[ChiND]

The Park Avenue viaduct should be closed. It's useless, and it could be a mini-High Line for this area. The beautiful greenspace at 175 Park would be complemented by turning the viaduct into a raised park around GCT.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by streetscaper

I'm certainly disappointed in the changes, definitely value-engineered as many of us here feared could happen.... but not that dissappointed because it's still quite beautiful and also because I never had my hopes up for the tower being built as was presented.

Let's hope for no further value-engineering, but you never know so, again, don't get your hopes up

I think we all saw that coming, I don't think it looks that bad at all though, and despite the potential slight height cut it will still be noticeably taller than the surrounding buildings, the signature tower of that area of midtown.


I really wonder if NYC will ever top Central Park Tower or 1WTC.

[The New York Lion]

Morgan Stanley with a blockbuster Q4 earnings report.

They deserve a palace.

[ChiND]

I think that MS will anchor a tower, but it’s not clear which one. Once we have an official announcement for 175 Park, I’d like to see the office tower proposed for HY II get a tenant so that whole western yards can get moving.

By the way, this icon pays tribute to a few of the classic towers around Grand Central.

[ssh]

Crown was upgraded, base slight downgrade, but none of you would have ever noticed the changes unless they were presented to you like this. Still will be the most iconic structure built in the city since 1WTC (might become more iconic in a couple decades, who knows?)

If the height reduction rumor is true though, that is disappointing. I was hoping this would be the one to break the plateau forming in Midtown.

[DCReid]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

I think we all saw that coming, I don't think it looks that bad at all though, and despite the potential slight height cut it will still be noticeably taller than the surrounding buildings, the signature tower of that area of midtown.


I really wonder if NYC will ever top Central Park Tower or 1WTC.

The longer it takes to get started, the more costs will rise and the greater the risk that the size/height of tower will decrease. So, I am not surprised. Given its size already, even a large tenant like Morgan Stanley, signing may not eliminate the risk of it being reduced in size or further value engineering. Unlike the 70 HY, which has apparently grown in size, this building is already huge and I doubt any one tenant would be willing to fill even half of it. Let's just hope it gets built -- the hotel is still there and operating, and things can change.

[BK1985]

Originally Posted by streetscaper

I'm certainly disappointed in the changes, definitely value-engineered as many of us here feared could happen.... but not that dissappointed because it's still quite beautiful and also because I never had my hopes up for the tower being built as was presented.

Let's hope for no further value-engineering, but you never know so, again, don't get your hopes up

A design change is not necessarily indicative of a “value engineering”, quite frankly that term gets thrown around here way too often when it’s not the case. Going from the curved lattice work in the crown to the now more linear lattice is not saving all that much money, if any which is what value engineering is.

[UrbanImpact]

Originally Posted by ssh

I would be curious if anyone with a booking for July onwards still has one...

You can currently book any date in 2026 at the hotel.

[SkyHigher]

Originally Posted by streetscaper

I'm certainly disappointed in the changes, definitely value-engineered as many of us here feared could happen.... but not that dissappointed because it's still quite beautiful and also because I never had my hopes up for the tower being built as was presented.

Let's hope for no further value-engineering, but you never know so, again, don't get your hopes up

Of course it's value-engineered it's New York in 2026. It's sadly not the same city that built the ESB and the Twin Towers. If it was this tower will be tapered once more to get it beyond 1700ft.

[Crawford]

Absurd. The original WTC was a cheap POS compared to this tower. This will likely be the most expensive major office tower ever built.

[UrbanImpact]

Originally Posted by SkyHigher

Of course it's value-engineered it's New York in 2026. It's sadly not the same city that built the ESB and the Twin Towers. If it was this tower will be tapered once more to get it beyond 1700ft.

It's super expensive now-a-days to build at these heights and those costs get transferred to the tenants who are willing to pay those high rents. Back in the day construction workers got paid crap and their safety wasn't as regulated as it is now (Like Dubai). Construction materials used to also be a lot cheaper than it is now.

[ChiND]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Absurd. The original WTC was a cheap POS compared to this tower. This will likely be the most expensive major office tower ever built.

I agree. This 1,500’+ tower is utterly iconic. No other first-world city would build anything remotely like it.

[The New York Lion]

Originally Posted by ChiND

I agree. This 1,500’+ tower is utterly iconic. No other first-world city would build anything remotely like it.

I agree. I was frustrated yesterday.

I am frustrated that China gets to be a third-world country and build monster towers because they don't care about distorting their real estate market.

Those chickens will come home to roost.

[wpolom]

Originally Posted by ChiND

I’m elated that this tower will rise. Despite the minor changes, it’s still absolutely incredible. Not to mention, the jagged diamonds on the crown look great.

By looking at the new diagram, this tower looks to be now about 1,430 FT.