Statistics Canada Reports II

[rdaner]

Interesting takes! I wonder how dramatic zoning changes across the board, generational transport completions and the fact that one or two years of decline doesn’t make a larger trend will be reflected.

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by jc_yyc_ca

Sorry, can't do a stats day without mentioning Okotoks

[MonctonRad]

RANKING OF ALL CMAs/CAs IN CANADA WITH A POPULATION OF GREATER THAN 100,000

1) Toronto, ON - 7,108,874
2) Montreal, QC - 4,597,857
3) Vancouver, BC - 3,088,036
4) Calgary, AB - 1,836,012
5) Ottawa, ON - 1,700,014
6) Edmonton, AB - 1,692, 385

7) Winnipeg, MB - 951,758
8) Quebec City, QC - 903,067
9) Hamilton, ON - 871,143
10) Kitchener/Waterloo ON - 701,568
11) London, ON - 633,002
12) Halifax, NS - 544,834
13) St. Catharines, ON - 503,670

14) Oshawa, ON - 493,441
15) Windsor, ON - 488,738
16) Victoria, BC - 445,090
17) Saskatoon, SK - 378,475
18) Regina, SK - 291,187
19) Kelowna, BC - 254,605
20) Barrie, ON - 252,446

21) Sherbrooke, QC - 243,911
22) St. John's, NL - 243,748
23) Abbotsford, BC - 223,828
24) Moncton, NB - 196,143
25) Sudbury, ON - 194,278
26) Kingston, ON - 193,466
27) Guelph, ON - 183,134
28) Brantford, ON - 176,307
29) Trois Rivieres, QC - 174,316
30) Saguenay, QC - 170,192

31) Peterborough, ON - 149,938
32) Saint John, NB - 144,543
33) Lethbridge, AB - 143,143
34) Thunder Bay, ON - 133,765
35) Chilliwack, BC - 130,283
36) Nanaimo, BC - 129,750
37) Kamloops, BC - 127,198
38) Fredericton, NB - 125,303
39) Belleville, ON - 124,978
40) Red Deer, AB - 115,277
41) Chatham/Kent, ON (CA) - 112,977
42) Sydney (CBRM), NS (CA) - 111,889
43) Drummondville, QC - 109,151
44) Sarnia, ON (CA) - 108,986
45) Prince George, BC (CA) - 100,127

Being a homer, I will rejoice in the fact that Moncton has now become a top 25 CMA in Canada (24th). It leapfrogged over Sudbury and Kingston within the last 12 months. Five years ago, Moncton was ranked #29. Assuming moderate growth in the upcoming year, I am hopeful we will surpass 200,000 in the CMA by July 2026.

NOTE - edited since I left out Kamloops. Sorry about that.

[davidivivid]

Here's a quick glance at unemployment rates for December, by Canadian city

OTTAWA — The national unemployment rate was 6.8 per cent in December. Statistics Canada also released seasonally adjusted, three-month moving average unemployment rates for major cities. It cautions, however, that the figures may fluctuate widely because they are based on small statistical samples.

Here are the jobless rates last month by city (numbers from the previous month in brackets):

_ St. John's, N.L. 7.7 per cent (7.4)

_ Halifax 5.8 per cent (5.7)

_ Moncton, N.B. 5.8 per cent (6.5)

_ Saint John, N.B. 6.4 per cent (7.4)

_ Fredericton 6.3 per cent (6.7)

_ Saguenay, Que. 4.8 per cent (5.0)

_ Quebec City 3.4 per cent (4.2)

_ Sherbrooke, Que. 5.6 per cent (5.4)

_ Trois-Rivières, Que. 3.9 per cent (3.9)

_ Drummondville, Que. 4.7 per cent (4.9)

_ Montreal 5.8 per cent (5.9)

_ Gatineau, Que. 7.4 per cent (7.6)

_ Ottawa 7.4 per cent (7.3)

_ Kingston, Ont. 6.2 per cent (5.6)

_ Belleville-Quinte West, Ont. 10.6 per cent (8.8)

_ Peterborough, Ont. 6.6 per cent (6.0)

_ Oshawa, Ont. 8.5 per cent (8.6)

_ Toronto 8.1 per cent (8.4)

_ Hamilton, Ont. 7.3 per cent (7.3)

_ St. Catharines-Niagara, Ont. 6.9 per cent (6.6)

_ Kitchener-Cambridge-Waterloo, Ont. 8.2 per cent (7.8)

_ Brantford, Ont. 9.3 per cent (9.0)

_ Guelph, Ont. 7.9 per cent (8.3)

_ London, Ont. 7.6 per cent (7.0)

_ Windsor, Ont. 7.7 per cent (8.1)

_ Barrie, Ont. 8.5 per cent (8.4)

_ Greater Sudbury, Ont. 6.7 per cent (6.6)

_ Thunder Bay, Ont. 4.6 per cent (4.8)

_ Winnipeg 6.3 per cent (6.4)

_ Regina 6.8 per cent (6.8)

_ Saskatoon 6.2 per cent (5.7)

_ Lethbridge, Alta. 7.7 per cent (8.0)

_ Calgary 6.8 per cent (7.3)

_ Red Deer, Alta. 8.9 per cent (8.7)

_ Edmonton 7.5 per cent (7.7)

_ Kelowna, B.C. 8.6 per cent (11.0)

_ Kamloops, B.C. 7.5 per cent (8.8)

_ Chilliwack, B.C. 7.4 per cent (7.0)

_ Abbotsford-Mission, B.C. 6.9 per cent (7.2)

_ Vancouver 6.3 per cent (6.2)

_ Victoria 4.3 per cent (4.1)

_ Nanaimo, B.C. 6.7 per cent (6.6)

[sunsetmountainland]

Just a note to MonctonRad post Kamloops 127,198 would be between Nanaimo and Fredricton at 37

[Vantage]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

RANKING OF ALL CMAs/CAs IN CANADA WITH A POPULATION OF GREATER THAN 100,000

1) Toronto, ON - 7,108,874
2) Montreal, QC - 4,597,857
3) Vancouver, BC - 3,088,036
4) Calgary, AB - 1,836,012
5) Ottawa, ON - 1,700,014
6) Edmonton, AB - 1,692, 385

7) Winnipeg, MB - 951,758
8) Quebec City, QC - 903,067
9) Hamilton, ON - 871,143
10) Kitchener/Waterloo ON - 701,568
11) London, ON - 633,002
12) Halifax, NS - 544,834
13) St. Catharines, ON - 503,670

14) Oshawa, ON - 493,441
15) Windsor, ON - 488,738
16) Victoria, BC - 445,090
17) Saskatoon, SK - 378,475
18) Regina, SK - 291,187
19) Kelowna, BC - 254,605
20) Barrie, ON - 252,446

21) Sherbrooke, QC - 243,911
22) St. John's, NL - 243,748
23) Abbotsford, BC - 223,828
24) Moncton, NB - 196,143
25) Sudbury, ON - 194,278
26) Kingston, ON - 193,466
27) Guelph, ON - 183,134
28) Brantford, ON - 176,307
29) Trois Rivieres, QC - 174,316
30) Saguenay, QC - 170,192

31) Peterborough, ON - 149,938
32) Saint John, NB - 144,543
33) Lethbridge, AB - 143,143
34) Thunder Bay, ON - 133,765
35) Chilliwack, BC - 130,283
36) Nanaimo, BC - 129,750
37) Fredericton, NB - 125,303
38) Belleville, ON - 124,978
39) Red Deer, AB - 115,277
40) Chatham/Kent, ON (CA) - 112,977
41) Sydney (CBRM), NS (CA) - 111,889
42) Drummondville, QC - 109,151
43) Sarnia, ON (CA) - 108,986
44) Prince George, BC (CA) - 100,127

Being a homer, I will rejoice in the fact that Moncton has now become a top 25 CMA in Canada (24th). It leapfrogged over Sudbury and Kingston within the last 12 months. Five years ago, Moncton was ranked #29. Assuming moderate growth in the upcoming year, I am hopeful we will surpass 200,000 in the CMA by July 2026.

You're missing Kamloops at 127,198. Chilliwack jumped Kamloops and Nanaimo this year.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by sunsetmountainland

Just a note to MonctonRad post Kamloops 127,198 would be between Nanaimo and Fredricton at 37

Corrected. Sorry about that. I don't know how that happened because I was well aware of Kamloops and it's population.

[ssiguy]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

Where are you getting -22,000? The Stats Canada data from today says Brampton went from 783,000 to 777,000, so -6,000.

The City of Toronto went from 3,280,000 to 3,271,000, so a loss of 9,000.

Mississauga posted the largest loss - 781,000 to 764,000 - a loss of 17,000!

If you note, I said Peel Region dropped by 22,000 not just Brampton. I must admit thou I am a little surprised that Miss dropped more.

[trueviking]

Man. I’m old enough to remember when people considered Winnipeg and Calgary to be roughly the same size. Now it’s double. Two million is amazing. Feels like it wasn’t long ago it was one million.

[craner]

I also find it bizarre to think Vancouver was Calgary’s size now when it hosted Expo 86.

[rdaner]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

RANKING OF ALL CMAs/CAs IN CANADA WITH A POPULATION OF GREATER THAN 100,000

1) Toronto, ON - 7,108,874
2) Montreal, QC - 4,597,857
3) Vancouver, BC - 3,088,036
4) Calgary, AB - 1,836,012
5) Ottawa, ON - 1,700,014
6) Edmonton, AB - 1,692, 385

7) Winnipeg, MB - 951,758
8) Quebec City, QC - 903,067
9) Hamilton, ON - 871,143
10) Kitchener/Waterloo ON - 701,568
11) London, ON - 633,002
12) Halifax, NS - 544,834
13) St. Catharines, ON - 503,670

14) Oshawa, ON - 493,441
15) Windsor, ON - 488,738
16) Victoria, BC - 445,090
17) Saskatoon, SK - 378,475
18) Regina, SK - 291,187
19) Kelowna, BC - 254,605
20) Barrie, ON - 252,446

21) Sherbrooke, QC - 243,911
22) St. John's, NL - 243,748
23) Abbotsford, BC - 223,828
24) Moncton, NB - 196,143
25) Sudbury, ON - 194,278
26) Kingston, ON - 193,466
27) Guelph, ON - 183,134
28) Brantford, ON - 176,307
29) Trois Rivieres, QC - 174,316
30) Saguenay, QC - 170,192

31) Peterborough, ON - 149,938
32) Saint John, NB - 144,543
33) Lethbridge, AB - 143,143
34) Thunder Bay, ON - 133,765
35) Chilliwack, BC - 130,283
36) Nanaimo, BC - 129,750
37) Kamloops, BC - 127,198
38) Fredericton, NB - 125,303
39) Belleville, ON - 124,978
40) Red Deer, AB - 115,277
41) Chatham/Kent, ON (CA) - 112,977
42) Sydney (CBRM), NS (CA) - 111,889
43) Drummondville, QC - 109,151
44) Sarnia, ON (CA) - 108,986
45) Prince George, BC (CA) - 100,127

Being a homer, I will rejoice in the fact that Moncton has now become a top 25 CMA in Canada (24th). It leapfrogged over Sudbury and Kingston within the last 12 months. Five years ago, Moncton was ranked #29. Assuming moderate growth in the upcoming year, I am hopeful we will surpass 200,000 in the CMA by July 2026.

NOTE - edited since I left out Kamloops. Sorry about that.

Thanks! Now to make the adjustments so these are comparable to their US and EU counterparts. For example, Toronto+KW+Niagara=10,846,041 is comparable to US MTSAs otherwise one is comparing apples to oranges. But an increase of 664,000 for the GTA since 2021 is not too shabby! And I want to give a woohoo to Halifax for continuing really solid and high density growth in what is becoming one of the world’s newest ‘It’ destinations!

[giallo]

Originally Posted by craner

I also find it bizarre to think Vancouver was Calgary’s size now when it hosted Expo 86.

Metro Vancouver had around 1.4 million people in 1986. It didn't reach 1.8 million until the 1990s.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by kora

Edmonton benefits for being a more attractive destination for rural and small town Alberta and further afield in the north and the Western provinces. It's seen as more approachable and welcoming. Cost of living certainly helps. Many people from smaller places in the West feel that Calgary is like a little Toronto, which is off-putting for many.

lol...I assume you have not lived in Edmonton. It's all about the cost of living. My personal opinion, is that Calgary is a far nicer city, with warmer winters, cleaner, and it's close proximity to the mountains.

However, Edmonton is a blue collar town, and the people are pretty much laid back with not much separation between white and blue collar groups.

Edmonton is a relatively affordable place to live, compared to Calgary, and especially compared to Vancouver and Southern Ontario.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by craner

I also find it bizarre to think Vancouver was Calgary’s size now when it hosted Expo 86.

Metro Toronto was Vancouver's size around 1983.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by trueviking

Man. I’m old enough to remember when people considered Winnipeg and Calgary to be roughly the same size. Now it’s double. Two million is amazing. Feels like it wasn’t long ago it was one million.

Through the 80s, there was not much difference, population wise between the Calgary and Winnipeg CMA's. By 1991, Calgary had roughly 100,000 more people.

It was not until Winnipeg stagnated in population (and lost people between 1995-97), while Calgary was at the beginning of the oil boom, where it started to become noticeably larger than Winnipeg. I still remember by the time I hit 20, the talk of Calgary being the place to be for jobs, and better career options became louder and louder, until many people I knew were heading out that way by the early 2000s.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by davidivivid

_ Quebec City 3.4 per cent (4.2)

Quebec City at 3.4? Wow.

I seen to recall when the unemployment rate in Calgary in 2007 was at just under 3%. However, employers were crying for people, and I figured the 3% either could not hold down a job, or no motivation to show up to work. I had so many options as to what I could do back then, that I took a job as a cook at a local pub on weekends...fun times, although a couple of people we hired had hard drug habits, and would disappear once they got paid on Friday's, and would end up missing the weekend shift.

We were so hard up for workers, that we actually gave them 2 or 3 chances, before we cut them loose. They were hard workers when they showed up. The funny thing is, I was asked if I wanted to be the Kitchen Manager (despite having zero experience), after our guy left with no notice. I turned it down at the time, considering one would have to walk on eggshells, as the kitchen staff that we had could just quit, and find a job a block away at the next pub within 24 hours. I figured it was not work the headache...lol.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by rdaner

Interesting takes! I wonder how dramatic zoning changes across the board, generational transport completions and the fact that one or two years of decline doesn’t make a larger trend will be reflected.

When you say "generational", is that when it takes an entire generation for any transport projects to be completed? Or is it just when the LRTs and traffic move so so slow that people just say it feels like it took them a generation to get anywhere?

A lot of this discussion feels like deja vu circa the noughties and early 2010s, when Toronto was basically in the same boat. The city got a bit of a boost because of millennials showing an interest in urban life and a major boost from Trudeau era immigration policy, but both of these trends seem to have passed.

[niwell]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Quebec City at 3.4? Wow.

I seen to recall when the unemployment rate in Calgary in 2007 was at just under 3%. However, employers were crying for people, and I figured the 3% either could not hold down a job, or no motivation to show up to work. I had so many options as to what I could do back then, that I took a job as a cook at a local pub on weekends...fun times, although a couple of people we hired had hard drug habits, and would disappear once they got paid on Friday's, and would end up missing the weekend shift.

We were so hard up for workers, that we actually gave them 2 or 3 chances, before we cut them loose. They were hard workers when they showed up. The funny thing is, I was asked if I wanted to be the Kitchen Manager (despite having zero experience), after our guy left with no notice. I turned it down at the time, considering one would have to walk on eggshells, as the kitchen staff that we had could just quit, and find a job a block away at the next pub within 24 hours. I figured it was not work the headache...lol.

While I was already living in Ontario at that time I remember those stories from family/friends in Calgary. People would decide to go on a bender and basically say "either hire me back or I'll just go somewhere else". Wild times. When visiting in those years I remember service at retail/restaurants being particularly bad (except high-end places), which is probably not surprising.

[FrAnKs]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Quebec City at 3.4? Wow.

I’m not that surprised.

It has been very low for years.

[Echoes]

Of the SK CMAs, Saskatoon getting to close to 400K and Regina on the cusp of 300K.