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The investor-owners are doing the shakedown for the big payday. They were aware the sales prices were ridiculously low due to the land lease.
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The investor-owners are doing the shakedown for the big payday. They were aware the sales prices were ridiculously low due to the land lease.
I agree, Crawford. Anyway, hopefully, an iconic structure will rise on this site.
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A reminder of a similar push for development across 6th Avenue, it's no wonder the residents are convinced a supertall development is in the works here...





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https://nypost.com/2025/08/20/real-estat...strous-450-rent-increase-save-our-homes/

Panicked residents of rare affordable building on Billionaires’ Row protest over ‘disastrous’ 450% rent increase: ‘Save our homes!’

By Emily Davis
Aug. 20, 2025


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On Wednesday morning, a small crowd of New York City co-op owners rallied outside the ultra-luxury Midtown building where tech billionaire Michael Dell owns a $100 million penthouse.

But it wasn’t at all for computer issues. The 25-or-so attendees held up signs and chanted, “Save our homes!”

Just down the block sits Carnegie House. It’s the longtime home of many rally attendees — and one of Dell’s recent real estate investments. Residents of the co-op, known as the only remaining affordable building on Billionaires’ Row, are facing the looming threat of displacement from a 450% rent hike.
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While residents who bought into the co-op expected a future rent hike, many say they never expected the radical transformation of their street and its property values. Susan Dell, a Carnegie House resident of 27 years, said she fears being priced out of the city altogether.

“Everywhere you have politicians talking about the necessity of creating fair and affordable housing,” she said at the rally. “Here we have affordable housing, and just want to keep it.”

The current landowner of the Carnegie Hall lease, an entity tied to real estate investors Rubin Schron and David Werner, purchased the ground lease in 2014 for $261 million. They received a $100 million in financing from Michael Dell’s MSD Partners in 2023, the Real Deal reported.






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What B.S. Many of them bought these units for a steal, hoping that Big Brother would intervene and crush the capitalist "monster."

I'm curious what's going on with 60 W 57th. I walked by there yesterday, and it looked deserted.
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Agreed, the moochers need to go. It isn't like they won't be cut a fat check to leave.

Kick 'em out and demolish this eyesore. Hopefully we'll get a new residential supertall.
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Agreed, the moochers need to go. It isn't like they won't be cut a fat check to leave.

Kick 'em out and demolish this eyesore. Hopefully we'll get a new residential supertall.
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With respect to the other white brick eyesore, 60 W 57th, I saw a sign by the entrance yesterday which adversed the empty retail space. I didn’t know what to make of it, but the listing is on Loopnet too:

https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/60-W-57th-St-New-York-NY/4244094/

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https://www.wsj.com/real-estate/luxury-h...Kg-MMqTxJN5OQZB-gOSZJNgGAotohBKQLw%3D%3D

Billionaires’ Row Loses One of Its Last Affordable Buildings
A dramatic 450% rent increase at Carnegie House in Manhattan was upheld by the New York County Supreme Court this week



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The New York County Supreme Court ruled Monday to allow a dramatic 450% ground-rent increase at Carnegie House, one of the last affordable buildings on Manhattan’s Billionaires’ Row.
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Fantastic news.

I can't wait for the supertall.

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woah thats a huge corner apt building.

i couldn’t get the link, but i wonder if it puts the whole place in play for redevelopment or if it will just fancy up the ground level retail options? the big thing in there now is a duane reade and a few other small businesses.
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The carpet baggers who bought units here on massive discounts will appeal, but hopefully, the ruling will be affirmed. In the meantime….

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Great news! Hopefully this means another 57th Street supertall.

None of these moochers will be financially harmed. I bet the average buyout will be seven figures, in a building where units went for almost nothing.
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I'm curious what's going on at 60 W 57th across the street. It's a market-rate rental building which hasn't listed apartments for rent in years, and the retail is now largely vacant. Further, I believe that the owner also owns the adjacent through-street lot to the east, which has been vacant for almost twenty years.
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https://www.crainsnewyork.com/real-estat...ce-hundreds-midtown-co-op-carnegie-house

Judge approves massive rent hike that could displace hundreds at Midtown co-op





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January 7, 2026


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Hundreds of residents at a Midtown co-op could lose their homes after a New York state judge gave the green light to a massive increase in their ground rent.

The co-op, called Carnegie House, is a 21-story building located at the corner of West 57th Street and Sixth Avenue that sits on land acquired in 2014 by real estate investors. Two years ago the ground owners proposed raising the annual rent from $4 million to about $25 million, based on soaring property values along Billionaires Row, and in a ruling Monday Judge Nicholas Moyne upheld an arbitration panel’s decision allowing the rent hike.

“Retreat is not possible,” Moyne wrote.
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The decision is a “devastating blow to over 300 Carnegie House families battling to keep our homes,” co-op president Richard Hirsch said. He added that the co-op will appeal and pleaded with state lawmakers to help his building and about 100 other vulnerable co-ops around the city whose land has a different owner than the building above.

“We’re the canary in the coal mine,” he said. “We are the first of many to face this.”

If Carnegie House residents default on the increased rent payments they must now make to the landowners, they risk losing all the equity they’ve built up in their apartments over the years, and the real estate investors could convert them from homeowners to renters — assuming they can afford the new rents.
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Ground leases are common in commercial real estate. Rockefeller Center, owned by Tishman Speyer, rests on the land rented from Columbia University. President Donald Trump’s 40 Wall St. sits on land owned by a German investor. But these leases didn’t start showing up underneath co-ops until the early 1980s after an Upper East Side building prevailed in a lawsuit against the New York state attorney general. Separating the land from a building is a way for ground-leaseholders to raise cash while keeping a stake in the property. Typically ground leases last for 99 years, and rents reset every 25 years.

For a long time these rent increases were small. But rising property values across the city have recently made ground leases much more attractive to big real estate investors who are more likely to push for steeper hikes.
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2026, 12:04 PM
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https://nypost.com/2026/03/15/business/r...turning-to-nycs-midtown-switching-sides/

Cuozzo’s comment relates to 60 W 57th and the adjacent lots that have been empty for decades. I wonder if he has inside information about Jeffries Morris’ plans.


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But west of Bergdorf Goodman, the 900-foot long block seems more empty than full, due to huge, wheel-spinning development sites owned by Soloviev, Vornado and Jeffries Morris.
The expiration date for this eyesore (and for 100 W 57th) has long since passed.


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