Stadiums & Arenas of Canada, Part 3

[Dalreg]

Originally Posted by logan5

Every new sports stadium is designed with views in mind, because it greatly adds to the stadium experience. Sporting events are also a social gathering, so having a nice view adds to that.

Yeah no mate. I can name quite a few new stadiums that aren't worried about the view. The last three new CFL stadiums for example. Regina, Winnipeg, and Hamilton.

Name a new NFL stadium that was designed with the view in mind?
Vegas? Dallas? Minnesota? Atlanta? LA?

[logan5]

Originally Posted by Dalreg

Yeah no mate. I can name quite a few new stadiums that aren't worried about the view. The last three new CFL stadiums for example. Regina, Winnipeg, and Hamilton.

Name a new NFL stadium that was designed with the view in mind?
Vegas? Dallas? Minnesota? Atlanta? LA?

Winnipeg aimed the end zone towards downtown to get some city views.

All those NFL teams you listed designed their stadiums to provide views, though some stadiums aren't close to mountains or the downtown skyline, none the less, they still provide views of what's available to look at, skyline wise. Each one of those stadiums has a giant glass curtain wall that is there for viewing the outside.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by Dalreg

Yeah no mate. I can name quite a few new stadiums that aren't worried about the view. The last three new CFL stadiums for example. Regina, Winnipeg, and Hamilton.

Name a new NFL stadium that was designed with the view in mind?
Vegas? Dallas? Minnesota? Atlanta? LA?

I have been to all of those stadiums except Vegas. Minnesota is the only one that has a view of downtown or anything of note (the view of downtown is quite spectacular). Dallas is in the middle of a parking lot in suburban Arlington, Sofi in LA as amazing, but not situated with a seating view of anything and Atlanta, although in a great location is closed in with the exception of the hole in the roof.

Really only baseball stadiums have been afforded some spectacular settings usually attributed to the outfield typically having low height bleachers. The stadiums are not specifically built to view points as they are governed by league mandated diamond orientation of sun direction with home plate.

[Djeffery]

NFL stadiums generally aren't conducive to a view because of their size and general "closed in" design. Plus a lot of them are built out where this is nothing to look at. The Vikings are a rare case that the stadium is built in an urban setting. Nashville is right across the river from downtown and the new stadium is oriented 90 degrees to the old one, but it's also a dome and from the construction pics, looks like it's pretty closed in on that south end so there wouldn't be a view if they had a glass wall anyway.

[cjones2451]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

NFL stadiums generally aren't conducive to a view because of their size and general "closed in" design. Plus a lot of them are built out where this is nothing to look at. The Vikings are a rare case that the stadium is built in an urban setting. Nashville is right across the river from downtown and the new stadium is oriented 90 degrees to the old one, but it's also a dome and from the construction pics, looks like it's pretty closed in on that south end so there wouldn't be a view if they had a glass wall anyway.

Not every stadium will be situated with a great view, but those that are, do try to incorporate in (or plan to at least)







Pics from Skyscraper City (Proposed Arlington Heights, Commanders and Estadio Monterrey)

[cjones2451]

I think this has sidetracked the comment which was the Whitecaps Stadium should try to take advantage of the view of the North Shore Mountains. If the planned capacity is somewhere between 25-30K this should not be an issue, as it is not a 50K+ stadium with 2 tired seating in a traditional bowl design

[MalcolmTucker]

Originally Posted by cjones2451

Thanks for the clarification, I guess "booked days" also include set up and tear down" of said events, so even though Supercross is one night, it is probably booked for 7 or 8 days to get the dirt in and out

I think as far as the Whitecaps long term, even if BC Place gave them an agreement they liked, grass is never going to be an option, because there is no space to retract a grass pitch (like Vegas, Arizona and Sapporo Dome) and the systems like Real Madrid and Tottenham have probably couldn't be retrofitted (no matter how much they spent)

I think a system like Real Madrid, Tottenham could be done. No technical hurdles. I think all other things being equal, that would be the path forward.

But things aren't equal.

The question now is whether the alternative has gone too far, whether the casino profits which propped up horse racing is enough to pay for a soccer stadium, whether better exposition facilities at the PNE combined with soccer and the casino could support an entertainment high street. Whether the Tsleil-Waututh Nation has the vision and daring to go all in, maybe also buy the Whitecaps on their own or in partnership. Whether the First Nations Finance Authority can validate the business plan for part or all of the investment.

With access to patient lower interest capital and preferential tax treatment, First Nations can take on projects with lower rates of return that a private corporate would find impossible.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by cjones2451

Not every stadium will be situated with a great view, but those that are, do try to incorporate in (or plan to at least)

I was surprised to see a football stadium being built so close to the centre of DC, but then I Googled it; it replaces the Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium completed in 1961. And of course, it being a memorial to a Kennedy, Trump wants to slap his name on it. Trump wants to be the Rogers of America, but not pay for it.

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by Dalreg

Yeah no mate. I can name quite a few new stadiums that aren't worried about the view. The last three new CFL stadiums for example. Regina, Winnipeg, and Hamilton.

Name a new NFL stadium that was designed with the view in mind?
Vegas? Dallas? Minnesota? Atlanta? LA?

None of those Canadian cities have any views lol.

[northernlights99]

Originally Posted by Biff

I have been to all of those stadiums except Vegas. Minnesota is the only one that has a view of downtown or anything of note (the view of downtown is quite spectacular). Dallas is in the middle of a parking lot in suburban Arlington, Sofi in LA as amazing, but not situated with a seating view of anything and Atlanta, although in a great location is closed in with the exception of the hole in the roof.

Really only baseball stadiums have been afforded some spectacular settings usually attributed to the outfield typically having low height bleachers. The stadiums are not specifically built to view points as they are governed by league mandated diamond orientation of sun direction with home plate.

SoFi in Inglewood holds 70,000 which is pretty typical of most NFL stadiums, minimum seating capacity must be 60,000.

Empire Stadium had an open North end zone to offer a view of the North shore mountains, assuming they were not clouded in.

Outdoor baseball stadiums are generally oriented North - South so the Sun sets over home plate. Rogers Center is such.

Outdoor football / soccer stadiums are generally oriented East - West. In the fall with the Sun's declination being further south, the Sun will set in the southwest so not be as much in the players eyes.

AT&T Stadium in Arlington is actually 4 degrees off its intended alignment. The footprint of the stadium is not exactly aligned East - West due to its position between roads.

This has created a problem in the past in December and January where the Sun at 2 or 3 pm does shine through the West side windows causing some blinding issues for players.

AT&T Stadium has huge windows. I believe they have fixed the problem with huge curtains.

Amazing there is a soccer stadium in Brazil that is positioned Exactly on the Equator. It's oriented North - South. It is located right at Zero degrees latitude.

Half the stadium is in the northern hemisphere, the other half in the southern hemisphere. The Equator runs right down the Center line !

Well actually there is some question about that, depends on which Geodetic Datum you use. But using GPS it is very close to the Equator.

https://www.amusingplanet.com/2018/04/the-soccer-stadium-lying-on-two.html

[northernlights99]

Laser Light half time show at Lumen Field in Seattle !

Hopefully they can open up Montreal's new Olympic Stadium with a similar show :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Andiz2vvdLQ

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by northernlights99

Amazing there is a soccer stadium in Brazil that is positioned Exactly on the Equator. It's oriented North - South. It is located right at Zero degrees latitude.

Half the stadium is in the northern hemisphere, the other half in the southern hemisphere. The Equator runs right down the Center line !

Well actually there is some question about that, depends on which Geodetic Datum you use. But using GPS it is very close to the Equator.

https://www.amusingplanet.com/2018/04/the-soccer-stadium-lying-on-two.html

They could probably check by flushing the toilets in each end of the stadium and see which way the water swirls lol

[Dalreg]

Originally Posted by logan5

Winnipeg aimed the end zone towards downtown to get some city views.

All those NFL teams you listed designed their stadiums to provide views, though some stadiums aren't close to mountains or the downtown skyline, none the less, they still provide views of what's available to look at, skyline wise. Each one of those stadiums has a giant glass curtain wall that is there for viewing the outside.

Where is the view in Dallas? Seriously? LA? Admit you were wrong with that original statement and move on. You're really stretching with Winnipeg, but I'll give you one out of all that I listed. Every stadium has a window on the outside wall, so every stadium has a view. LOL. Nice try. Keep the dream alive.

[king10]

Originally Posted by Denscity

None of those Canadian cities have any views lol.

Hamilton has a great view of Steel Industry to the North and escarpment to the South

They turned the stadium 90 degrees when they rebuilt it so the sun sets on the west side, which is the same side the tv cameras and press box are positioned

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by king10

Hamilton has a great view of Steel Industry to the North and escarpment to the South

They turned the stadium 90 degrees when they rebuilt it so the sun sets on the west side, which is the same side the tv cameras and press box are positioned

In BC heavy industry is considered very ugly and is the last thing people want to see.
And the escarpment is flat on top and bottom so what is there to see?

[logan5]

Originally Posted by Dalreg

Where is the view in Dallas? Seriously? LA? Admit you were wrong with that original statement and move on. You're really stretching with Winnipeg, but I'll give you one out of all that I listed. Every stadium has a window on the outside wall, so every stadium has a view. LOL. Nice try. Keep the dream alive.

You can see all these stadiums have huge glass curtain walls so there is some kind of view of the outside. Anyways, turns out you are just a troll, so it's pointless talking to you.

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by logan5

You can see all these stadiums have huge glass curtain walls so there is some kind of view of the outside. Anyways, turns out you are just a troll, so it's pointless talking to you.

Sofi is just designed to have lot of daylight, there is no scenery. There is the old Lakers/Kings arena on one side, the new Clippers arena the other side, single residential housing on the east and LAX a couple miles west. It's not even closed off, that massive roof is independent of the actual stadium bowl, which is open air around the top.

[northernlights99]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

They could probably check by flushing the toilets in each end of the stadium and see which way the water swirls lol

The Coriolis effect does Not affect the way water spins down the toilet, the plumbing and design of the toilet have the primary effect on way the water flushes down.

Coriolis effect determines the spin of hurricanes and weather systems. Low pressure systems spin counter clockwise in the northern hemisphere as do weather systems on Jupiter.

That stadium in Brazil is situated on the equator but the equator doesn't exactly bisect the stadium according to WGS 84 coordinates.

The Canada - U.S. border is supposed to be at latitude 49 North however at the Peace Arch crossing south of Vancouver, the Americans cheat lol.

The Peach Arch monument and the smaller markers near the vehicle lanes are actually 400 feet north of 49 North. I measured it with my GPS.

Zero Avenue in Surrey is also north of 49 parallel. There is a ditch beside Zero avenue which represents the boundary. The Americans built a cable fence on the U.S. side of the ditch cause some vehicles were actually driving thru the ditch to get onto the U.S. side lol.

The international boundary cuts north and south of the 49 parallel all the way out to the Great Lakes.

Windsor, Ontario bordering Detroit is the farthest south city in Canada at 42 degrees North. So when they say the 49th parallel, that only represents part of the continent.

The Americans still want to hold onto Point Roberts, they don't want to give up any land south of 49 parallel even though Point Roberts gets all its utilities from BC.

There was no GPS when they determined the 49th parallel boundary however its still amazing the degree of accuracy they achieved back then in surveying the border.

[Dalreg]

Originally Posted by logan5

You can see all these stadiums have huge glass curtain walls so there is some kind of view of the outside. Anyways, turns out you are just a troll, so it's pointless talking to you.

Just calling you out mate on your original statement. No all new stadiums are not designed for stadium views. You want to make that statement i will call you out.

Your definition of view needs to be explained. A window in a wall has a view, yep. View of an outhouse is still a view, stating that all new stadiums are designed for views, is pure BS. Called you on it.

[Spocket]

Wow. That DC stadium is absolutely amazing.