stal̕əw̓asəm (Riverview) Bridge (Pattullo Bridge Replacement) | U/C

[madog222]

We really don’t need four pages of this same back and forth arguing, we especially don’t need the political trolling.

Further nonconstructive posts will be removed.

[osirisboy]

Can the thread title be in English? I don’t know why it isn’t. Thx. This isn’t non constructive

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

Can the thread title be in English? I don’t know why it isn’t. Thx. This isn’t non constructive

You don't have to agree with it, but that's one of the official names so it should be in the thread title. However, the English name Riverview should also be there and it's odd it's not.

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by chowhou

You don't have to agree with it, but that's one of the official names so it should be in the thread title. However, the English name Riverview should also be there and it's odd it's not.

For sure! I meant adding Stalawasem.

[Migrant_Coconut]

It'll probably happen eventually, if only because government databases hate special characters... as soon as everybody can agree on a spelling. Stalawasam? Stalowasem? Stalewasim?

[madog222]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

Can the thread title be in English? I don’t know why it isn’t. Thx. This isn’t non constructive

Done. Suggestions for different formatting are welcome.

I had also tried “stal̕əw̓asəm Riverview Bridge” which is cleaner but officially incorrect.

[Repthe250]

I like the name, it has a nice ring to it. I’m sure it’ll grow on people. It fits in with other similar sounding names like Coquitlam,
Tsawwassen or Kitsilano.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Oh yeah, the name's fine (except for the few haters upset about losing Pattullo's "heritage")... it's the spelling that causes ten-page flame wars.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Repthe250

I like the name, it has a nice ring to it. I’m sure it’ll grow on people. It fits in with other similar sounding names like Coquitlam,
Tsawwassen or Kitsilano.

Yeah, the name itself is fine, it’s just the intentionally confusing step of using phonics almost no one knows that’s the silly part and only works against the new name’s adoption among the general public. For example, North Plaza by the art gallery is still called North Plaza by everyone I know and not šxʷƛ̓ənəq Xwtl'e7énḵ Square. Also giving it an alternate bland name of Riverview is silly too, and almost seems to feed the idea that people will just give up on trying to read the Native name.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Also giving it an alternate bland name of Riverview is silly too, and almost seems to feed the idea that people will just give up on trying to read the Native name.

If I can defend the name Riverview Bridge for a moment, let's not forget that on the Surrey side it connects to the Bridgeview neighbourhood.

In other news:

Originally Posted by chowhou

Google Maps says Musqueumview St, Google Maps says Rainbow Park, I bet you Google Maps will say Riverview Bridge.

OpenStreetMap

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by madog222

Done. Suggestions for different formatting are welcome.

I had also tried “stal̕əw̓asəm Riverview Bridge” which is cleaner but officially incorrect.

“stal̕əw̓asəm (Riverview) Bridge” makes the most sense to me.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Except we already used the brackets on (Pattullo Bridge Replacement). Two sets of brackets looks dumb.

[chowhou]

They're also both official, so it doesn't make sense to minimise one of them. The current thread name is good now in my opinion.

[officedweller]

I think there should be an anglicized version of the name versus an english translation.

i.e.

The name Kitsilano is an anglicized tribute to a respected Squamish First Nation leader, Chief August Jack Khatsahlano (also spelled X̱ats'alanex̱w). The original ancestral name X̱ats'alanex̱w translates to "man of the lake".

https://www.google.com/search?q=kitsilan...D0QYsdo3BR_R1cZGolbmN4GHshwQ8tmw&csuir=1

There are 3 or 4 different ways you can refer to Kitsilano (or even Khatsahlano),
but we don't call that neighbourhood "X̱ats'alanex̱w" nor do we call it "Man of the Lake"
(though "Man of the Lake" may make for a good restaurant or pub name).

The name Tsawwassen is derived from the Coast Salish language hən̓q̓əmin̓əm̓ (Hun'qumi'num) and means "land facing the sea".

https://www.google.com/search?q=tsawwass...KhZKkU__40WAPGRIC_hEosiZb9h7E6eA&csuir=1

We call that neighbourhood Tswawwassen, not "Land Facing the Sea".

How about "Land Facing the Sea Mills Mall".

Chinese (Mandarin)
Characters: 北京.
Pinyin: Běijīng (Standard romanization for Mandarin).
Meaning: 北 (běi) = North, 京 (jīng) = Capital, so "Northern Capital".

https://www.google.com/search?q=Beijing+...AfEFp1hliMYCt6o&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

We also don't call Beijing "Northern Capital".

Likewise:

English vs. Chinese (Mandarin)
English Name: Shanghai
Chinese Characters: 上海 (Simplified/Traditional)
Mandarin Pinyin: Shànghǎi
Meaning: "On the Sea" or "Above the Sea".

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Except we already used the brackets on (Pattullo Bridge Replacement). Two sets of brackets looks dumb.

Get rid of that part.

[SpongeG]

back to the bridge, Does anyone use it regularly?

The reconfiguring they have done on the approaches from Surrey is awful. I used to use it to commute and at worst I would get backed up 15-20 minutes, but a minimum time now is 40 minutes, some days it can take nearly an hour. (starting on King George around 108th).

The traffic light at Bridgeview used to allow for three lanes to go through, now only two can get through and traffic backs up past 112 sometimes 108. The right lane used to be a straight through lane, but now you are forced to make a right turn onto Bridgeview and loads of cars budge their way in, and only two lanes get through a light and the side streets are bumper to bumper. The one lane used to be a left lane for Scott Road but is now used for the bridge lane and the scott turnoff is just a small off lane now, which has helped cut off all the cheaters who would use that lane to budge their way in.

Anyway I have switched to the Part Mann to get out of Surrey, its never fun but better than the Patullo, there i not much difference timewise now, pattulo could save 15-20 minutes over Port Mann, nowadays it saves about 5 minutes.

This probably won't be alleviated by the new bridge since the approach is not getting any better. ugh.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

back to the bridge, Does anyone use it regularly?

The reconfiguring they have done on the approaches from Surrey is awful. I used to use it to commute and at worst I would get backed up 15-20 minutes, but a minimum time now is 40 minutes, some days it can take nearly an hour.

The traffic light at Bridgeview used to allow for three lanes to go through, now only two can get through and traffic backs up past 112 sometimes 108. The right lane used to be a straight through lane, but now you are forced to make a right turn onto Bridgeview and only two lanes get through a light and the side streets are bumper to bumper. The one lane used to be a left lane for Scott Road but is now used for the bridge lane and the scott turnoff is just a small off lane now, which has helped cut off all the cheaters who would use that lane to budge their way in.

Anyway I have switched to the Part Mann to get out of Surrey, its never fun but better than the Patullo, there i not much difference timewise now, pattulo could save 15-20 minutes over Port Mann, nowadays it saves about 5 minutes.

This probably won't be alleviated by the new bridge since the approach is not getting any better. ugh.

The NDP has always sucked at building infrastructure. Witness the millions spent back in the day to upgrade the Lions Gate from a three lane bridge to a slightly wider three lane bridge.

[Metro-One]

Yep, the NDP really dropped the ball in removing the Surrey side upgrades.

My prediction, in 3 to 5 years a new project will be announced, that will expand the bridge to 6 lanes and will completely rebuild the Surrey connections with full free flow with the SFPR, involving the upgrading of the Bridgeview Drive intersection to an interchange, akin to the recently completed Sunbury Interchange project.

BC, where you always need to build things twice!

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by whatnext

The NDP has always sucked at building infrastructure. Witness the millions spent back in the day to upgrade the Lions Gate from a three lane bridge to a slightly wider three lane bridge.

In that specific case, it was all the hippies trying to save the trees in Stanley Park. In this case, it's New West trying to block all the traffic going through them.

[SpongeG]

what about tunnels, in South Korea they have so many of them and some are so long, there is one you enter in Changwon and exit in Gimhae and if you take the old route it can be a 30+ minute drive the tunnel is really long but wow. Anyway fantasy thought what about a tunnel under new west from the new bridge that comes out somewhere near Gaglardi/Highway 1.

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