stal̕əw̓asəm (Riverview) Bridge (Pattullo Bridge Replacement) | U/C

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Since 99.99% of the population of the region doesn’t speak that language and on a road sign the “politically correct” spelling it will just look like gibberish. It’s not a slap in the face, it’s common sense. It has Zero to do with reconciliation and more to do with political pandering by the hapless NDP government.

Yes, although it has been done by both parties.

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Realistically, what percentage of the population can pronounce the indigenous name? .

Pretty high, once they're used to it.

Kitsilano
Capilano
Chilliwack
Coquitlam
Tsawwassen
Musqueam
Squamish
Sechelt
Nanaimo
Comox Valley
Qualicum Beach
Kamloops
Kelowna
Penticton
Osoyoos
Cariboo
Cowichan Valley
Salish Sea
Nootka Sound
Haida Gwaii
Saskatchewan
Manitoba
Ontario
Quebec
Yukon
Nunavut
Canada

Lots, lots more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_place_names_in_Canada_of_Indigenous_origin

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

There is kind of a double standard after we've spent the last twenty years shaming people for spelling words with numbers (e.g. talk 2 u l8er)... and suddenly now it's heritage.

Even I am going to call that one out.
(3v3n 1 4m 901n9 70 c411 7h47 0n3 0u7.)

I interpret it like APL where as soon as you start seeing an otherwise fluid dialect (or programming language) throwing in graphical symbols, you know you are getting into something where the english language isn't in the driver's seat and it's time to start throwing in other characters and symbols to fudge whatever is expressed in a different language.

Originally Posted by osirisboy

Yes, although it has been done by both parties.

It's amusing how during the unveiling yesterday, when someone asked the minister of transportation a question regarding cost, they were swiftly told to shut up and appreciate what was happening.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Since 99.99% of the population of the region doesn’t speak that language and on a road sign the “politically correct” spelling it will just look like gibberish. It’s not a slap in the face, it’s common sense. It has Zero to do with reconciliation and more to do with political pandering by the hapless NDP government.

The NDP government didn't pick the name, the Kwantlen and Musqueam nations did. I guess maybe the Kwantlen and Musqueam are pandering to the Kwantlen and Musqueam for using their language?

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Pretty high, once they're used to it.

Kitsilano
Capilano
Chilliwack.....

Lots, lots more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_place_names_in_Canada_of_Indigenous_origin

Yes as mentioned above, but when it is spelled out in a version all can understand.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Yes as mentioned above, but when it is spelled out in a version all can understand.

Yeah, but you know that stal̕əw̓asəm is pronounced "stah-low-wah-sum" so now you know how to pronounce it. Nobody's expecting you to become fluent in reading or writing it, but knowing that stal̕əw̓asəm is "stah-low-wah-sum" takes about five seconds, and you know that that refers to the new bridge.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by mcj

People couldn't even say/spell Pattullo right, this is a nothing burger.

Yeah this part is pretty hilarious.

[WarrenC12]

Can't wait until we do this again with the Massey Tunnel replacement.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Can't wait until we do this again with the Massey Tunnel replacement.

Yep, and the same old arguments from people too lazy to take thirty seconds out of their day to learn how a word is pronounced.

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

Yep, and the same old arguments from people too lazy to take thirty seconds out of their day to learn how a word is pronounced.

It's not that I won't take the 30 seconds to learn. It's that the harder you force it the less people are willing to care.

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Pretty high, once they're used to it.

Kitsilano
Capilano
Chilliwack
Coquitlam
Tsawwassen
Musqueam
Squamish
Sechelt
Nanaimo
Comox Valley
Qualicum Beach
Kamloops
Kelowna
Penticton
Osoyoos
Cariboo
Cowichan Valley
Salish Sea
Nootka Sound
Haida Gwaii
Saskatchewan
Manitoba
Ontario
Quebec
Yukon
Nunavut
Canada

Lots, lots more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_place_names_in_Canada_of_Indigenous_origin

Yes, you totally missed the point

[logan5]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

It's funny seeing a couple forum members on here perfectly representing the smug attitude that is now working against them with the majority of people.

Having two names is stupid. It should be just one name, Stalowasen written in phonetics that 99.9% of people can readily understand.

Having one native name that most can't read and one English name just means everyone is going to call it Riverview Bridge or just continue using Pattullo.

It's very self defeating in the quest for upmost moral purity.

I grew up with my grandmother, who is Coast Salish from Nanaimo, so I tend to take things from her perspective.

The new name in its original form is not even that hard to read, and yet people are up in arms about it.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Pretty high, once they're used to it.

I guarantee you you're pronouncing and typing all these names "wrong" using English phonology and orthography. Unless you personally type and say X̱ats'alanexw instead of Kitsilano and type and say ᑭᓯᐢᑳᒋᐘᓂ ᓰᐱᐩ instead of Saskatchewan.

Originally Posted by CanSpice

Nobody's expecting you to become fluent in reading or writing it

If nobody's expecting you to become fluent in reading or writing it, then why have it on the signs? Why not have an English orthography name? I remember when people were up in arms about businesses in Richmond having Chinese only names, and those were private businesses, not public infrastructure.

Haidilao Hotpot recently rebranded to Haidilao Huǒguō, pinyin and all and I sure hope all of you say and type it properly and not "Anglicized". Remember Mandarin is a tonal language, so practice up on your tones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M53iagRaNNE

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by chowhou

If nobody's expecting you to become fluent in reading or writing it, then why have it on the signs?

Because it takes thirty seconds to learn how to recognize and pronounce this one specific word. Just like your hotpot restaurant example, it takes thirty seconds to learn how it's pronounced and then you can pronounce it. Nobody's expecting you to become fluent because fluency isn't required to recognize and pronounce one specific word.

Is it really that hard to say "stah-low-wah-sum"?

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

Because it takes thirty seconds to learn how to recognize and pronounce this one specific word. Just like your hotpot restaurant example, it takes thirty seconds to learn how it's pronounced and then you can pronounce it. Nobody's expecting you to become fluent because fluency isn't required to recognize and pronounce one specific word.

Is it really that hard to say "stah-low-wah-sum"?

Yes.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

Because it takes thirty seconds to learn how to recognize and pronounce this one specific word. Just like your hotpot restaurant example, it takes thirty seconds to learn how it's pronounced and then you can pronounce it. Nobody's expecting you to become fluent because fluency isn't required to recognize and pronounce one specific word.

Is it really that hard to say "stah-low-wah-sum"?

It's not one specific word, this process is apparently a continuous one. Do you truly tell yourself that you off the top of your head you're ready to pronounce:

Ch’iyáḵmesh
Sts’áḵ’ay̓s
Spú7ets’
Stamsh
Swá7elt
Ch’iyáḵmesh
Sḵwx̱wú7mesh
Mámxwem
Saẁá7elt
Kwtsá7tsutsin
Kwékwetxwm
Txwn7us
Shisháyu7ay̓
Xwehúy̓shn
Yiyḵ’m
Ch’ax̱áy̓
Énwilh Spálhx̱n
Wéḵw’weḵw’m
Xwáẁchayay
Lhḵ’etksn
Stl’álḵem Staḵw
Nínich Ḵw’litḵm
Ḵw’pel
Ch’ích’iyúy Elx̱wíḵn
K’él’etstn
P’ap’ḵ’
Temlh

Those are just the signs up the Sea to Sky and at least they have English names beside them. We're also now supposed to know these place names in Vancouver:

Xpey̓
wək̓ʷan̓əs tə syaqʷəm
təməsew̓txʷ
ƛ̓éxətəm
təmtəmíxʷtən
sθәqәlxenәm ts'exwts'áxwi7
stal̕əw̓asəm
šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm

Oh, but it's just one one specific name, "just learn it".

Originally Posted by CanSpice

Just like your hotpot restaurant example, it takes thirty seconds to learn how it's pronounced and then you can pronounce it.

No one should say Huǒguō in Mandarin when otherwise speaking English, it sounds ridiculous. This is how I imagine you in 5 years:

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[cjones2451]

We have a new, much safer bridge, does it really matter what it is named ?

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by chowhou

No one should say Huǒguō in Mandarin when otherwise speaking English, it sounds ridiculous. This is how I imagine you in 5 years:

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[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by cjones2451

We have a new, much safer bridge, does it really matter what it is named ?

People will end up using the easiest word to say/remember. 2nd narrows is what I call that bridge. I don't even use the name of the tunnel because you don't need to.

I'm not sure what this one will end up in common parlance, but if they gave it a quick 2 syllable name in any language, that's what it would become.

Interesting note about the Stolo nation and the naming... too bad we can't call it the Stolo Bridge. That would catch on right away...

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by cjones2451

We have a new, much safer bridge, does it really matter what it is named ?

Because its just one more example of the BC NDP virtue-signalling their little hearts out on an infrastructure project that is years behind schedule and hundreds of millions over-budget. Can they ever deliver anything on time?

I'm not even going to get into the othermore serious problems their policies are going to cause in this thread.