Canadian Airport Thread II

[hollywoodcory]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

Why wouldn't WS just add YYC-MAD/CPH while leaving YHZ-MAD/CPH alone? Neither of those airports are slot controlled. By 2031 LIS will be closer to having the new LIS.

True. I don’t mean that they’ll drop all this flying and moving it once they have more 787s on hand. They’ll still keep a TATL hub out east.

And I suspect as they get more 737s, there’s more possibilities from YHZ too, like BFS? Maybe even Germany?

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

True. I don’t mean that they’ll drop all this flying and moving it once they have more 787s on hand. They’ll still keep a TATL hub out east.

And I suspect as they get more 737s, there’s more possibilities from YHZ too, like BFS? Maybe even Germany?

There's even possibilities from YOW - like KEF, EDI, GLA, LGW and DUB and even YQM a couple of times a week to CDG and feeding AF and heck even YQB if they lean heavily on the Sunwing brand. But first I don't think they're done with YHZ expansion. I've got to tip my hat to the YHZ Airport Authority for this vision. WS pre-pandemic had been awarded 3 additional weekly LGW slot pairs that were specified specifically for YOW-LGW, but it happened at the exact same time as the MAX grounding and it never came to be.

I have no doubt TS' transatlantic return to YOW will be a success. The question will be whether they recognize the opportunity to continue to expand YOW in partnership with an expanding PD (and I'll say it right now, likely future merger partner) or be their typical ultra-conservative selves. They're at last (and out of necessity) finally showing signs to taking some risks (including out of YUL).

[Dominion301]

In other AC news, the 7M8s, which will all be getting transferred to Rouge will remain in standard mainline livery with a small "operated by rouge" sticker. Config will be 12J/165Y and all seats will recline.


https://paxex.aero/air-canada-rouge-737max-configuration/

https://www.aircanada.com/media/air-cana...ence-with-a-comprehensive-fleet-upgrade/

18 of the Y seats will be 'preferred', which likely = the bulkhead row and the two exit rows.

[Alexcaban]

Air Transat is adding YYZ-ACC for summer 2026.

https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/air-tr...hSraNYtHmy6wBlIYQwDN12SusDrOZy11uV2xhYc9

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by Alexcaban

Air Transat is adding YYZ-ACC for summer 2026.

https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/air-tr...hSraNYtHmy6wBlIYQwDN12SusDrOZy11uV2xhYc9

Would love to see a non-stop some day between Canada and South Africa.

[MolsonExport]

Why do people prefer using the three letter airport codes (oblivious to most, especially for foreign destinations) rather than the actual names of the cities?

It is like using geographical coordinates instead of city names. Hey did you hear that they are going to have flights from 42.9849° N, 81.2453° W to 9.2827° N, 123.1207° W?

Here in London, we have city buses festooned with advertisements for YXU (without describing what it is). I doubt that more than 5% of the population is aware that this is the code for London 'International' Airport.

[MonctonRad]

There is a major country music festival here in greater Moncton every year called "YQM."

It is very popular and draws some of the biggest performers in country music. It is a multi-day event.

If you do a Google search looking for the Moncton airport website and just type in "YQM." The first several hits displayed based on this search are for the YQM Country Music Festival.

Pretty much everyone in Moncton is aware that the IATA code for the Romeo LeBlanc International Airport is YQM.

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Why do people prefer using the three letter airport codes (oblivious to most, especially for foreign destinations) rather than the actual names of the cities?

It is like using geographical coordinates instead of city names. Hey did you hear that they are going to have flights from 42.9849° N, 81.2453° W to 9.2827° N, 123.1207° W?

Here in London, we have city buses festooned with advertisements for YXU (without describing what it is). I doubt that more than 5% of the population is aware that this is the code for London 'International' Airport.

Many cities have multiple airports and using the IATA code allows a references to the specific airport in question. Let's use London, UK as an example. It has commercial air service to five airports. So, if Porter announced, for example, new service from London, ON to London, UK; which London, UK airport? It would be easier to say YXU-LGW.

[Mr Tall Forehead]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Why do people prefer using the three letter airport codes (oblivious to most, especially for foreign destinations) rather than the actual names of the cities?

It is like using geographical coordinates instead of city names. Hey did you hear that they are going to have flights from 42.9849° N, 81.2453° W to 9.2827° N, 123.1207° W?

Here in London, we have city buses festooned with advertisements for YXU (without describing what it is). I doubt that more than 5% of the population is aware that this is the code for London 'International' Airport.

Quoting this in full so people get to read it twice. 1000000% agree with you.

If, in the rare circumstance, someone is actually referring to a city with more than one international airport, is really that hard to say NYC La Guardia or London Gatwick, etc?

[kwoldtimer]

Codes are perceived as "insider" and therefore cool? Makes for good marketting. Plus, some airports have rather long names for print advertising.

[MolsonExport]

Extremely abstract "brand names" that hardly anyone recognizes....doesn't sound like the greatest marketing tactic.

is really that hard to say NYC La Guardia or London Gatwick, etc?

Word.

[Bishop2047]

It is one thing with domestic airports, as most of us dorks that are into the industry would know those. The international ones get me.

When someone just spams YYC to PLZ, DUR, CPT, JNB, I get mad.

Thanks for the homework OP. FYI Those are South African Codes (to save anyone from looking it up).

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by Bishop2047

It is one thing with domestic airports, as most of us dorks that are into the industry would know those. The international ones get me.

When someone just spams YYC to PLZ, DUR, CPT, JNB, I get mad.

Thanks for the homework OP. FYI Those are South African Codes (to save anyone from looking it up).

Port Elizabeth, Durban, Cape Town, Johannesburg (OR Tambo). And no, I did not look them up!

[LO 044]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Extremely abstract "brand names" that hardly anyone recognizes....doesn't sound like the greatest marketing tactic.
Word.

This is an airport (aviation) thread so expect acronyms dealing with aviation. Threads on other topics probably have their own acronyms. No one wants to spell out "De Havilland Canada Dash 8 400 Series" so they say Q400 or DH4.

If it makes you feel better, just think of it as a fad that may go away someday like Doc Martens and Jean coveralls that were only buttoned up with one button in the 90's. Or should I say 1990's lol?

[MolsonExport]

Whether it makes me feel better is neither here nor there. Just pointing out my opinion, not sure why that would bother some here.



Romeo Uniform November Whiskey Alpha Yankee.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Why do people prefer using the three letter airport codes (oblivious to most, especially for foreign destinations) rather than the actual names of the cities?

It is like using geographical coordinates instead of city names. Hey did you hear that they are going to have flights from 42.9849° N, 81.2453° W to 9.2827° N, 123.1207° W?

Here in London, we have city buses festooned with advertisements for YXU (without describing what it is). I doubt that more than 5% of the population is aware that this is the code for London 'International' Airport.

Because typing LGW is faster than typing "London-Gatwick" or worse still, Lat Long coordinates.

You'd be surprised how many people know the IATA code for the departure airport they use the most. I'd bet at least 50% of Montrealers know that Dorval airport's IATA code is YUL. They might not know Mirabel's, but they know Dorval's. I'm sure it's the same in most major cities across the globe.

Learn your IATA codes.....

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Extremely abstract "brand names" that hardly anyone recognizes....doesn't sound like the greatest marketing tactic.



Word.

And yet, Aeroport de Montreal is all over "YUL" as a marketing tactic. On the drive to the airport, there is a huge "YUL" sign as well. It's definitely a marketing tactic, so someone thinks its a good idea.

[hehehe]

Fair enough, to each their own. But it's easier to use the codes, and this thread is definitely one that's almost entirely visited by people who are geeks. So I don't really see the harm. There's always google too

Anyways, TS I think is taking good steps. It needs to get out there and take some risk. Hopefully AC doesn't drive them out of these markets in a few years' time with their XLRs

[nname]

Originally Posted by Bishop2047

It is one thing with domestic airports, as most of us dorks that are into the industry would know those. The international ones get me.

When someone just spams YYC to PLZ, DUR, CPT, JNB, I get mad.

Thanks for the homework OP. FYI Those are South African Codes (to save anyone from looking it up).

YTP, YAZ, CXH, YWH, YHS, YWS, YGG, YHH, WPL... all these are domestic codes taken from one of my recent post
(Tofino Harbour, Tofino Long Beach, Vancouver Harbour, Victoria Harbour, Sechelt, Whistler Green Lake, Ganges, Campbell River, Powell Lake)

That's about the only time I feel it's faster to just type the city name.. but must write the code for consistency

Oh, and also LKE (Seattle Lake Union), but this one is international...

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by hehehe

Fair enough, to each their own. But it's easier to use the codes, and this thread is definitely one that's almost entirely visited by people who are geeks. So I don't really see the harm. There's always google too

Anyways, TS I think is taking good steps. It needs to get out there and take some risk. Hopefully AC doesn't drive them out of these markets in a few years' time with their XLRs

It's not just us geeks that use codes.........

Alpha Mike Foxtrot !!

https://youtu.be/_ia3xfBh5Pc?t=37

If it's good enough for Liam Neeson and the A-Team, it's good enough for me...!

[whatnext]

Taking a break from route discussion, despite being dormant for many months the ongoing Flair/777 Partners saga continues:

Planes leased to Flair were bought with money from fraud scheme, U.S. prosecutors allege
Eric Atkins Transportation reporter
Published November 18, 2025
Updated Yesterday
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The planes Flair Airlines used to launch its expansion in 2021 were allegedly purchased for it by an investor in a multimillion-dollar fraud using phony financial records, according to court records filed by the U.S. Attorney of New York.

U.S. federal prosecutors in October charged Joshua Wander, head of Miami-based investor 777 Partners, with four counts of fraud related to a US$500-million plot to cheat investors. U.S. Attorney Jay Clayton alleges Mr. Wander and former chief financial officer Damien Alfalla used the money to conceal 777 Partners’ financial losses, and buy airlines, professional soccer teams, film companies and streaming platforms. Mr. Wander, 44, also faces a civil case before the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission....

...According to a grand jury indictment recently unsealed in a New York court, Mr. Wander allegedly used fraudulently obtained money to purchase and deploy 24 Boeing 737 Max aircraft with Flair and Bonza, an Australian airline it partly owns.

Those planes were purchased with a $10-million loan secured by a list of assets 777 Partners did not own, says the indictment....

....Maciej Wilk, Flair’s chief executive officer, said the airline has no debt, equity or other connections with 777 Partners. “All of Flair’s aircraft are leased from top-tier global aircraft leasing companies and are not affected by these proceedings,” Mr. Wilk said....

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business...g-fraud-plot-joshua-wander-investor-777/