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Old Posted Sep 24, 2025, 6:41 PM
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2025, 6:49 PM
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But the biggest difference is downtown, not the nearby neighbourhoods: Calgary's CBD is much larger, and creates a big area with almost nothing but offices. Halifax's CBD is much smaller and integrated with a lot of other downtown elements: several kilometres of extremely active waterfront with multiple mixed-use building complexes, a nightlife/bar district, and a generally more cheek-by-jowl quality to the built environment. So all that is to say, central Halifax feels (to me) more complete as a metropolitan core, whereas Calgary's core feels more like a collection of great neighbourhoods, focused on distinct commercial corridors, orbiting the CBD. So it's not really a question of which is better; I think there's just historical inertia in terms of the nature of the built environment, and where things are located. Again, I think that Calgary's sheer mass of people is going to keep pushing that city in a continously more vibrant direction. It can't not, really.
Yep, the downtown CBD being large and mostly office buildings has made it somewhat of a void in the middle of the core. It's probably what spurred on the growth of the satellite neighborhoods to start with. It's not an easy problem to fix, but Calgary has somewhat lucked out with the office building conversions. 13 buildings currently being converted to offices with a couple more new high rises u/c.

I guess things can be hit and miss with visits to cities. You must have hit an abnormally quiet day for 17th , I live nearby, and it's rarely ever quiet these days, but there are days when normally busy areas can be quiet.
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2025, 7:00 PM
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These new population numbers are quite telling. Ontario and especially BC are fairing the worse and BC was the only province to record a population decline. Alberta did the best as usual and Quebec was #2 as they still have relatively affordable housing while Ontario and BC have the most expensive. Who knew that housing costs have an impact on where people choose to live??

BC is in particular trouble because a declining population directly effects their most important industry.........housing. BC's economy is far and away the most reliant upon the housing sector greatly effecting not only the number of jobs that are dependent upon it but also provincial & local gov'ts that have used it as a cash cow. This is what happens you base your economy on the real estate Ponzi Scheme............works great as long as you have enough new suckers at the bottom to prop it up but when they vanish, the entire house of cards collapses.

I have often said that a real estate based economy is like a drug, first you take it to feel good and then you have to continue to take it to stop from feeling bad. Now BC's drug dealer has left town and she is going to suffer the profound pain associated from withdrawal. Over the long haul, getting off this drug is the best thing she can do but the short-term pain in doing so is going to be devastating.

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They tore down half of downtown Brantford.

This (3 whole blocks)


is gone.

replaced by this:


Sure to be a boon for pedestrian traffic (/sarcasm)

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There are zero pedestrian in your first photo and at least four in the second.
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2025, 7:07 PM
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I guess it is a boon for pedestrian traffic then.
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2025, 7:48 PM
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I agree with a lot of your points Drybrain, but I don’t know if it’s fair to take one day on 17th and assume that’s fairly normal. I frequent 17th a lot and I guess they are probably days when it’s not busy, but it’s not often.
I agree about Spring garden Road in Halifax, being the busiest street in Halifax and maybe both cities but keep in mind. It’s really only a three block stretch we’re that’s the busy part of it. It’s not really a fair comparison to a road like 17th Ave. which is 16 blocks of retail. To be honest, I think there are sections of 17th that are as busy as those three blocks on Spring Garden Road.

I don’t want to make this a Calgary versus Halifax thread. Lol I think Halifax is a great city that punches well above its weight for vibrancy, and I would agree that Calgary for the size of the city probably doesn’t punch up to its weight, but I’m not sure all the comparisons are fair. Just my two cents.

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Others are definitely hit and miss too, but let me try and explain my feelings on this a little more. Apologies for the long post:

I think if the list under discussion is cities #4 through #6 for street life/vibrancy, Calgary probably will be on the list in a few years, probably at the expense of Ottawa. Huge transformations have happened in Calgary and more are underway now, which is why I think the city is going to change more over the next five years than it did in the last five.

But in terms of activity on the street, Calgary can feel incredibly vibrant in the right areas at the right times, but then in the past year I've also been walking down 17th Avenue on a beautiful afternoon and been one of the only people on an entire city block. The entire core just feels like it operates at a quieter baseline energy level.

Not to be a homer, but I do think Halifax is unusually strong in this regard. It and Calgary are the two Canadian cities I know best, besides Toronto, and I think comparing them is instructive as to why (to me) Halifax feels like it has more going on at street level, over a more continuously connected area.

If you take the area in Calgary between 14th Street and the Bow River, from 26th Avenue in Mission up to the top of Sunnyside, and then over to 1st Ave in Bridgeland, you're looking at the main focal point for street life in the city. (Inglewood is indeed kind of an island on its own.) That's about 9 square kilometres. If you take the most central 9 sq. km. in Halifax you're going from about the rail cut in the South End to Duffus Street in the North End, from the waterfront to Robie, out to Connaught below Chebucto. (You're leaving out another island, central Dartmouth, which is really more like a full small-town core.)

That area in Calgary has the densely built up office district, and a number of mixed-use main streets: Stephen Ave, 17th, 4th, 1st St and 1st Ave, Kensington Ave/10th St). It also has a larger population than the Halifax area. However, there is more stuff in that part of Halifax, which leads to more visitation from across the metro area: universities, hospitals, basically all of the sports and performing-arts venues, museums. There's also Spring Garden Road, which I think is probably the most heavily pedestrian-trafficked street in either city. Obviously central Calgary has a lot of stuff too, but there is also more dispersion of amenities and people-magnets throughout the city. This is even evident in little things. Stuff like the Telus Spark science centre, or multiplex movie theatres, or even a public pool, are not located within this central area. There are roughly half as many schools. Those kinds of things draw people, but they're not going to the core to reach them--and people who live in the core are leaving to reach them.

But the biggest difference is downtown, not the nearby neighbourhoods: Calgary's CBD is much larger, and creates a big area with almost nothing but offices. Halifax's CBD is much smaller and integrated with a lot of other downtown elements: several kilometres of extremely active waterfront with multiple mixed-use building complexes, a nightlife/bar district, and a generally more cheek-by-jowl quality to the built environment. So all that is to say, central Halifax feels (to me) more complete as a metropolitan core, whereas Calgary's core feels more like a collection of great neighbourhoods, focused on distinct commercial corridors, orbiting the CBD. So it's not really a question of which is better; I think there's just historical inertia in terms of the nature of the built environment, and where things are located. Again, I think that Calgary's sheer mass of people is going to keep pushing that city in a continously more vibrant direction. It can't not, really.
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There are zero pedestrian in your first photo and at least four in the second.
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2025, 7:56 PM
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Saskatchewan grew by more than Ontario and BC combined

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I agree with a lot of your points Drybrain, but I don’t know if it’s fair to take one day on 17th and assume that’s fairly normal. I frequent 17th a lot and I guess they are probably days when it’s not busy, but it’s not often.
I agree about Spring garden Road in Halifax, being the busiest street in Halifax and maybe both cities but keep in mind. It’s really only a three block stretch we’re that’s the busy part of it. It’s not really a fair comparison to a road like 17th Ave. which is 16 blocks of retail. To be honest, I think there are sections of 17th that are as busy as those three blocks on Spring Garden Road.
I think they're actually pretty comparable; SGR is 11 blocks, from Barrington to Robie. But yes, the most active bit would be the six blocks from Grafton to South Park.

That's not so different from 17th, though. It runs 16 or so blocks from Macleod Trail to 15th St., but the most active portion (what I think of as "17th") is mostly 10th St to 4th St.

But I agree, let's not make this city vs. city!
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2025, 8:40 PM
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I think they're actually pretty comparable; SGR is 11 blocks, from Barrington to Robie. But yes, the most active bit would be the six blocks from Grafton to South Park.
Setting aside the comparison, that street is nice even if you go past Robie; it becomes Coburg Rd. Coburg Road has a sort of "university village" feel and there's a mix of nice heritage buildings, like the little brick Bank of NS branch, the buildings at King's and some old townhouses that have undergone commercial conversions. It blends in with the Dalhousie campus whether you go that way or along Robie (or University Ave). If you walk over to Jubilee it becomes a small neighbourhood of Edwardian brick and stone rowhouses.

Spring Garden and Robie is getting a twin 30 storey tower mixed use complex that will have 100,000 sq ft of commercial space. It's designed by one of the city's better architectural firms and is supposed to have a masonry podium with some interesting detailing.

A lot of this is not evident on Google streetview since so many of the scenes are 5+ years old.
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^^^^ Hey guys, there are forums to talk about urban issues but this one is for StatsCan so could we please stay on topic. Thanks.
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Here are some stats to help get back on track It's a screen shot from a post on SRC.

Housing starts for August.
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I'm surprised apartment starts are so low in Toronto. For a metro so much bigger than others, I wasn't expecting it to only be 30% ahead of Calgary and behind Vancouver/Montreal.
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^that graph takes away one of Poilievre's longstanding barking points.

meanwhile, Japan has apparently slipped to 120M people:

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The data, released by the (Japan) Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications on Wednesday, showed that the number of Japanese nationals fell by 908,574 in 2024, bringing the total population to 120 million.

Since peaking at 126.6 million in 2009, the population has declined for 16 consecutive years
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Japan's population is projected to continue its declining trend, with forecasts predicting a drop to around 104 million by 2050 and 87 million by 2070, according to the Japanese government's Institute of Population and Social Security Research (IPSS).

That's what you get with very low birthrates and low immigration rates.
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Q2 Growth in Percentage Terms

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^that graph takes away one of Poilievre's longstanding barking points.

meanwhile, Japan has apparently slipped to 120M people:



https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/07/asia/japan-biggest-population-decline-record-intl-hnk

Japan's population is projected to continue its declining trend, with forecasts predicting a drop to around 104 million by 2050 and 87 million by 2070, according to the Japanese government's Institute of Population and Social Security Research (IPSS).

That's what you get with very low birthrates and low immigration rates.
Canada and Japan have the same birth rate; in about 10 years we will need 300,000 immigrants just to keep the population from falling.
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I'm surprised apartment starts are so low in Toronto. For a metro so much bigger than others, I wasn't expecting it to only be 30% ahead of Calgary and behind Vancouver/Montreal.
It's only a one month snapshot, but Toronto has generally been low for a few months due to a high amount of apartment/condo inventory. They built on loads over the past few years.
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