Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[Zepfancouver]

Originally Posted by kikin

it is strange because I often see police arresting shoplifters at the Lululemon a couple of blocks down on Robson, is it a management choice?

Well that's good on Lululemon, I say yes if you can or brave enough, take them down and call police, dont let them get away with it. Also danger pay would be a bonus for doing so.
"is it a management choice?" I'm sure orientation vary from business to business, but in a real occuring situation you might just be reacting and forgeting protocols.

[s211]

Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

logan5 you are free to start a new thread

The "delusional fantasy hard-left, blame the victims, crime is good, give me free drugs, disorder is good order, stabbing is not a crime, filth is a charter right, et cetera ad infinitum" thread?

[logan5]

Originally Posted by s211

The "delusional fantasy hard-left, blame the victims, crime is good, give me free drugs, disorder is good order, stabbing is not a crime, filth is a charter right, et cetera ad infinitum" thread?

Mods!! Mods!!

The dtes is worse, but the dtes does not represent the CoV. It is a tiny fraction of the city, so it is quite conceivable that crime is down in the city of Vancouver.

If there is a credible report that crime is at a 20 year low, that needs to be posted in a thread that does its best to portray the city as a hotbed of crime, which is fine, but some balance is needed.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

I agree with blippo...And if I or anyone from the SSP community gets mugged on the street of Vancouver, we would not take any confort in statistics of year low or increase in livability.

Nonsense, you didn't get mugged at knifepoint by a tweaker like it shows in the video, crime is down according to police statistics, therefore it never happened.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

Yeah, I remember a few years back the problem of bus drivers being assaulted by short change or non paying riders, then they put in plexiglass barriers for the driver.
Not sure if all buses today are fitted, but if the bus is not fitted, it's a free ride because the driver wont argue.

Let me get this straight, transit is free?

[WarrenC12]

The Sportchek story is ridiculous, but going out on a limb here I have noticed things improving downtown.

Know what I'm also seeing? More cops on the street. Foot patrols, bikes, etc. Just a more noticeable presence.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

The Sportchek story is ridiculous, but going out on a limb here I have noticed things improving downtown.

Know what I'm also seeing? More cops on the street. Foot patrols, bikes, etc. Just a more noticeable presence.

Definitely a Yay to ABC.

[kikin]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

The Sportchek story is ridiculous, but going out on a limb here I have noticed things improving downtown.

Know what I'm also seeing? More cops on the street. Foot patrols, bikes, etc. Just a more noticeable presence.

That is what we need, if something happens like a bike being stolen or someone getting rough with a tourist or someone having an episode screaming and yelling and walking in traffic, it would be reassuring if police walking the beat would always be in range to attend.

I just saw on TikTok a video of a Ukrainian girl new to our city saying she just randomly got jumped from behind downtown walking to work by a girl who then beat her around the face at 6:30am. She called the police and they came quickly, which was nice to hear, but not sure what is the result as far as catching the culprit and whether there will be any consequences.

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

Let me get this straight, transit is free?

for some yes, a bus driver called into the radio (CKNW) once about this issue and he said he would daily on his route pass a high school and all the kids would get on and not pay at all to get a ride down to a strip mall for lunch or whatever, he said couldn't do anything.

[Zepfancouver]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

for some yes, a bus driver called into the radio (CKNW) once about this issue and he said he would daily on his route pass a high school and all the kids would get on and not pay at all to get a ride down to a strip mall for lunch or whatever, he said couldn't do anything.

Some high school kids can be the worst, my first job in BC (1993) was a labourer for Key Engineering,
my super was instructing me to guard a fresh sidewalk pour at a school (Delta Secondary),
kids were walking by trying to initial it, my super yeelling "get away from there", one kid said "what you gonna do? You can't touch me."
It was the first time I heard that. I should have said to my super, in Quebec a teenager would know better because they would be grabbed and scold for property damage.

Edit: You have to slap or knock some discipline into some or else it becomes a repetitive bad behavior for life. Some teenagers do grow out of it.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

Some high school kids can be the worst, my first job in BC (1993) was a labourer for Key Engineering,
my super was instructing me to guard a fresh sidewalk pour at a school (Delta Secondary),
kids were walking by trying to initial it, my super yeelling "get away from there", one kid said "what you gonna do? You can't touch me."
It was the first time I heard that. I should have said to my super, in Quebec a teenager would know better because they would be grabbed and scold for property damage.

Edit: You have to slap or knock some discipline into some or else it becomes a repetitive bad behavior for life. Some teenagers do grow out of it.

Glad hearing that the problem of feral kids existed 22 years ago. I reckon that issue is probably made worse due to the fact that both parents being home is starting to be less common.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

Well that's good on Lululemon, I say yes if you can or brave enough, take them down and call police, dont let them get away with it. Also danger pay would be a bonus for doing so.
"is it a management choice?" I'm sure orientation vary from business to business, but in a real occuring situation you might just be reacting and forgeting protocols.

When your employee gets stabbed or dies over stolen deodorant, what happens then? Was it worth the danger pay? What about when the family or injured employee then sues the company for holding them to this expectation? This does not vary from business to business, at least not on a corporate chain level. It is standard protocol, for good reason. Every employee is trained according to these rules and apprehending a thief is therefore knowingly breaking that. Lululemon is using security guards, not retail staff to deal with this. Not all businesses can afford that.

One needs to think through these topics and not jump to rash assumptions. I used to manage retail downtown and saw what happened when people stepped in to become the hero. They made the situation worse most of the time.

[DavidK93]

Exactly, that’s the issue with theft these days. People aren’t paid enough for it to be worth it to try and stop somebody. At the end of the day, people need to be more accountable for theft, but I don’t see that happening anytime soon.

[DavidK93]

Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

Some high school kids can be the worst, my first job in BC (1993) was a labourer for Key Engineering,
my super was instructing me to guard a fresh sidewalk pour at a school (Delta Secondary),
kids were walking by trying to initial it, my super yeelling "get away from there", one kid said "what you gonna do? You can't touch me."
It was the first time I heard that. I should have said to my super, in Quebec a teenager would know better because they would be grabbed and scold for property damage.

Edit: You have to slap or knock some discipline into some or else it becomes a repetitive bad behavior for life. Some teenagers do grow out of it.

It depends on what the kids are doing, but yes, you can touch them and detain them. Of course you’re not allowed to assault them, but there’s nothing to stop you from holding them and calling the police. The police of course won’t care about somebody putting a fingerprint in concrete, but even holding the kids for two hours waiting for the police is probably punishment enough lol

[Zepfancouver]

People don't (what if) stab for a stick of deodorant but I get what you are saying I also don't want people to be hurt but I understand the venders frustration, emotions can sometimes get the best of you to maybe do the wrong (regrettable) thing.

People who steel a rack of clothing or merchandise don't stab for it, for some It's a job to steal and off load the product, getting caught is just a cost of doing business for them, they know they're back on the job the next day.

[jollyburger]

Police seek witnesses and video following stranger attack in North Vancouver

The suspect in a recent stranger attack is still at large.

North Vancouver RCMP are seeking witnesses and video footage following an alleged unprovoked assault near the intersection of Marine Drive and Bewicke Avenue.

At around 5:30 a.m. on Friday (Sept. 19), police responded to the report of an assault.

It’s alleged that a woman and her partner were waiting for a bus on the northwest corner of Marine Drive when a male suspect walked across the street and, without provocation, punched the woman in the face, according to a police statement.

The victim was injured in the attack, but didn’t require hospitalization, police said.

North Vancouver RCMP said officers immediately responded and conducted extensive patrols looking for the suspect, but couldn’t find him.

https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/police...anger-attack-in-north-vancouver-11254397

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

People don't (what if) stab for a stick of deodorant but I get what you are saying I also don't want people to be hurt but I understand the venders frustration, emotions can sometimes get the best of you to maybe do the wrong (regrettable) thing.

People who steel a rack of clothing or merchandise don't stab for it, for some It's a job to steal and off load the product, getting caught is just a cost of doing business for them, they know they're back on the job the next day.

You cannot predict what people in these states will do, especially if they feel threatened or something gets between them and their addiction. As a manager, I had a seemingly normal person threaten to assault my staff because they were upset about the service they received. Staff at a nearby store had to fend off someone with a knife. These things are not common but they do happen.

[officedweller]

I noticed yesterday that the Save-on-Foods at Cambie & 7th has installed a barrier and gates at its entrance.
I haven't been there for a while, so not sure when it was installed.

[kikin]

Originally Posted by officedweller

I noticed yesterday that the Save-on-Foods at Cambie & 7th has installed a barrier and gates at its entrance.
I haven't been there for a while, so not sure when it was installed.

I saw a post a while back on FB from a disabled guy in a mobility chair that was unhappy that Safeway did that as he worried that he would be trapped in case of a fire or active situation.

[Sheba]

B.C. Premier David Eby announces new involuntary care facilities for Surrey, Prince George

Premier David Eby came prepared with announcements as he spoke to leaders of British Columbia's local governments, promising more involuntary care facilities for those with severe mental illness and addictions, and to bring in legislation to build the North Coast power line.

Eby told delegates at the Union of B.C. Municipalities convention in Victoria that the new care facilities in Surrey and Prince George will add about 100 more beds as part of a broader push to control crime.

The announcement comes as several municipal leaders push for the expansion of involuntary care to cope with public disorder and homelessness in their cities.

Eby said statistics show crime has fallen by 11 per cent in B.C., but he acknowledges that "people also have to feel safe in their communities."

He said the province is investing in additional resources to deal with homelessness, as well as services for victims of crime, and he is "very hopeful that the federal government will be introducing significant reforms to the Criminal Code this fall."

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