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Old Posted Aug 25, 2025, 7:37 PM
OTownandDown OTownandDown is offline
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In principle, I fully agree with you.

However: Terry Fox and the 417 is in no-way Dutch. Just shoehorning this design into a north american stroad is perhaps NOT the way to go?

How about the further Dutch design of a cycle track 10 feet from the road itself? For the intersection, I don't know.. tunnels? lol

But I do know that I'd be approaching the intersections at either side of the 417, downhill, at 25-30km/hr, and if its a green light, I will swear outloud at the people who designed and built something that requires me to choose: Dangerously Swerve at speed through the pedestrian sidewalks, TWSI plates, etc.? or Jump the Curbs at speed. The third alternative, to slow down and navigate the paths correctly, losing momentum on such a monotonous and long bike ride would be the absolute last thing anyone will do.

That is, if I've survived the on-road, painted bike lane/slip lanes for the double on ramps without causing a rear-ending pileup in the process (ask me how I know).

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Originally Posted by TransitZilla View Post
Sure, but having no separation from parallel car traffic put cyclists at greater risk of right-hook collisions.

The intersections you're referring to as "zig-zaggy" are based on Dutch intersection designs- they have a pretty good record on this stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlAp...l=BicycleDutch
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