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Old Posted Jul 24, 2025, 6:23 PM
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Is this news? I don't remember hearing Clayco being specifically associated with the project. Also don't know anything about the publication, but it seems legit-ish?

https://mycnr.com/project/clayco-to-build-phoenixs-180-mil-astra-tower/
I don't recall seeing that before.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2025, 8:52 PM
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I don't recall seeing that before.
The total project was slated at an estimated $575m and the taller tower was estimated at 873k sqft so $180m for the tower 1 means an estimated $200 per sqft... that doesn't sound right.

Project Description Tower 1 (North): The scope of work relevant to this permit includes a 45-story tower with amenities on level 1 & 2, parking on levels 3-8, hotel on levels 9-15, mechanical floor on level 16, residential apartments on floors 17-24 and 26-45, with additional amenities floors on levels 25 & 45. Roughly 873,303 SF. Tower 2 (South): The scope of work relevant to this permit includes a 36-story tower with retail & lobbies on levels 1 & 2, parking on levels 3-9, office space on levels 10-15, mechanical floor on level 16, residential amenities on level 17, and co-living apartments on floors 18 to 34. Roughly 859,206 SF.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2025, 5:51 PM
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The total project was slated at an estimated $575m and the taller tower was estimated at 873k sqft so $180m for the tower 1 means an estimated $200 per sqft... that doesn't sound right.
you can hardly buy a home for $200 sq/ft in Phoenix so...yeah...this sounds totally off.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2025, 6:28 PM
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I was mainly referring to the news of Clayco being involved in Astra. I don't believe we had heard that before. Agree that the numbers seem off which probably makes the whole article suspect...
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2025, 8:57 PM
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There are some greater efficiencies in a taller tower with more office floorplates, but with beefier structure down low. The number definitely seems low and/or outdated, but its not crazy. Here are some ballpark numbers for recent highrise projects downtown:

Sol Modern: $215/SF
Central Station: $230/SF
Saiya: $300/SF
Ray: $340/SF

There are some market differences at play but generally - taller buildings see better $/SF.

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Old Posted Aug 6, 2025, 12:15 AM
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Not sure if this is outdated or a legit source as it mentions the old height


Phoenix’s tallest building to break ground soon

https://azpbs.org/horizon/2025/07/phoenixs-tallest-building-to-break-ground-soon/

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The Astra Phoenix is scheduled to break ground at the end of this year. Once it’s done, it will be the tallest building in Arizona, surpassing Chase Tower, which has held the title since it was built in the 1970s.
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2025, 2:15 PM
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Not sure if this is outdated or a legit source as it mentions the old height


Phoenix’s tallest building to break ground soon

https://azpbs.org/horizon/2025/07/phoenixs-tallest-building-to-break-ground-soon/
This at least lends legitimacy to this actually happening...cool. Looks great. I'd love to hear that Chase gets some external updating to go along with the gutting.
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2025, 2:18 PM
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Not sure if this is outdated or a legit source as it mentions the old height


Phoenix’s tallest building to break ground soon

https://azpbs.org/horizon/2025/07/phoenixs-tallest-building-to-break-ground-soon/
Shes the city economic director so I would guess the ongoing plan is to break ground soon, but yeah, coming sooon has been this towers MO for like 5 years
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2025, 2:52 PM
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It is going to break ground soon...

...the 2nd half of the year 2026. That's soon.

Then again, it may never break ground.
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2025, 3:09 PM
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https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news...enddate=2025-08-14&utm_term=ep4&empos=p4


Astra project's groundbreaking delayed to 2026 due to financing issues

Arizona's tallest tower will be 541-foot residential building in Phoenix
Downtown Phoenix experiencing high apartment vacancy rates amid construction boom
The developer of a $650 million project to build Arizona's tallest tower won't break ground in 2025, after all.

Originally projected to break ground during the second quarter, the project is getting pushed back to potentially break ground in downtown Phoenix by the back half of 2026.

Aspirant Development, developer of the Astra, is still working on finalizing financing, a spokeswoman for the Scottsdale-based developer confirmed to the Business Journal.

The project is expected to be built on 2.18 acres on Second Avenue between Van Buren and Fillmore streets in downtown Phoenix. It is slated to include a 44-floor residential tower that will be 541 feet tall, surpassing the 483-foot former Chase Tower as the largest in Phoenix. An adjacent tower will span 34 floors and rise 424 feet.

With 700 apartment units, the project also will include 185,000 square feet of office space and 14,500 square feet of retail and restaurant space, as well a a 250-room hotel and 1,156 underground parking spaces.

New building would eclipse former Chase Tower
For the first time in Arizona's history, the tallest tower in the state – when it gets built – will be a residential tower and not a commercial space.

"Downtown Phoenix’s tallest tower being a residential building is emblematic of the evolution the area has undergone into a true live/work/play destination," said Connor Devereux, director of market analytics for CoStar Group/Homes.com. "An influx of retail and entertainment options, new luxury rental housing, the extension of light rail, and growing enrollment at downtown universities have made the area popular among young people seeking a dynamic lifestyle."

Anyone who had been to the top of the former Chase Tower on Central Avenue back in the day can tell you how amazing the view is up there, said Peter O'Neil, national director of research for Northmarq.

"I bet this project will offer some amazing views," O'Neil said. "It will be interesting to see how quickly the project leases up and what kind of rents they can command — especially on the units on the higher floors. Will renters pay a premium for some of the best views available in the Valley? Only time will tell."

CoStar is tracking about 2,600 apartment units currently under construction in core downtown Phoenix, with several other proposed that have not yet broken ground. These new units will add to an existing inventory of about 8,000 market-rate, non-student apartment units in core downtown Phoenix, Devereux said.

"The stabilized apartment vacancy rate in downtown is above 10%, compared to 8.5% for the Valley as a whole," Devereux said.

More multifamily developers go vertical in downtown Phoenix
The Astra project seems like it is the next step in recent multifamily development trends that have been taking shape in downtown Phoenix for the past few years, O'Neil said.

Of the 15 high-rise buildings with more than 15 stories in downtown Phoenix, two-thirds of those properties have been delivered during the past five years, he said.

Some of this is because of recent population trends, with more people living in downtown Phoenix, where there's more amenities and higher education creating renter demand for housing, O'Neil said.

"Developers are responding to that demand by bringing new projects online," he added.

Phoenix's downtown core has been one of the primary targets of the multi-decade high wave of new supply that has entered the Valley multifamily market over the past few years, Devereux said.

"More than 4,000 units have delivered in the CBD since the start of 2020, doubling the area’s inventory of market-rate apartment units during that time," he said.

The substantial supply injection, much of which was luxury communities targeting the top of the renter pool, has intensified competition for prospective tenants, he said.

"While downtown has several long-term drivers that are supportive of underlying renter demand, the area is facing a temporary imbalance that has led to declining average asking rents, longer lease-up timelines, and elevated concession usage," Devereux said. "Over the long term, however, the area’s ongoing revitalization should support a recovery in multifamily performance once supply-side pressure abates."

O'Neil said he is seeing more supply growth than new demand downtown.

"Vacancy downtown has generally been about a full percentage point or two — 100 to 200 basis points — higher than the metro Phoenix average during the past few years," O'Neil said. "That's pretty common in areas where there has been a steady stream of new inventory over a period of a few years."
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2025, 3:43 PM
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That's disappointing but like many of you I gotta say I'm not surprised at this news.

This lot is Phoenix's last opportunity for a new tallest, right?
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2025, 4:03 PM
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That's disappointing but like many of you I gotta say I'm not surprised at this news.

This lot is Phoenix's last opportunity for a new tallest, right?
Very disappointing news, especially when this project has been in the works for almost ten years
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2025, 4:52 PM
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They are in a perpetual "working on financing" stage. But apparently no funding issues for new build-to-rent communities. I'll be dead and risen before this thing ever rises.
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2025, 6:11 PM
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Our tallest building was completed over 50 years ago and you guys are mad that Astra is getting pushed to 26' in a challenging office market?

Get real. Astra will get built
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2025, 6:19 PM
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Ya'll are welcome to keep kicking at Lucy while she pulls the football or you can join me in the camp of... "this is never happening".

Stop torturing yourselves. No one is going to lend these guy $1B for this project.
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2025, 6:26 PM
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I'm usually pretty optimistic about these types of projects but even I have my doubts that this will get built in 2026 or in the distant future.

All economic indicators are showing a souring economy, inflation ticking back up and trending towards a recession so doesn't surprise me they haven't been able to secure funding. What a bummer as this is an amazing project.

Between One Camelback, X Phase 2, and the UA building that paused construction, add another project to the list of stalled/delayed projects.
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2025, 7:09 PM
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It aint easy being a skyscraper fan in Phoenix !
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2025, 7:15 PM
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Our tallest building was completed over 50 years ago and you guys are mad that Astra is getting pushed to 26' in a challenging office market?

Get real. Astra will get built
Listen. It's why I joined this forum years ago. Excitement about possibilities coming to fruition, not dashed hopes and teased dreams. Phoenix has had enough of those. I'm usually pretty patient with these things, but even I'm getting tired of the stalling. JMO.
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2025, 8:10 PM
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In the meantime...

One of the most vibrant cities that I have visited is Dublin, Ireland. DUBLIN VIRTUALLY HAS NO SKYLINE. Yet, is alive and kicking. Maybe, while Phoenix is waiting for their next tallest building to be built - a groundswell of support for making things happening at the street level. How about for starters: plant more trees...shade. water features...public art... - I don't know - think!

Summertime you say. Too bad Phoenix doesn't have the "underground" like Montreal. Take the elevator down from your hotel room - and come into another world under the city!
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2025, 9:54 PM
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Too bad Phoenix doesn't have the "underground" like Montreal. Take the elevator down from your hotel room - and come into another world under the city!
San Antonio also and, yes, Phoenix lacks vision big time. Something like that...anything...would help make DT more of a destination.
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