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Old Posted Jul 27, 2025, 7:13 PM
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I live across the street, and I always see movement, but they are going very slowly. Most likely for safety reasons.

I just saw an article that says the Spurs want the city to pay $500 million, though. Yeesh, that's a lot, worth it, but a lot.
Half a billion dollars is a lot of money for a city that has a perfectly good arena in SBC/AT&T/Frost Bank Center. How do you justify the cost to your citizens and get re-elected? What will happen to Frost Bank Center once the new arena opens? Is there any opposition to the new arena? I have one more question and if the new floor in the Alamo Dome was good enough for NCAA final four why not for the NBA?
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Half a billion dollars is a lot of money for a city that has a perfectly good arena in SBC/AT&T/Frost Bank Center. How do you justify the cost to your citizens and get re-elected? What will happen to Frost Bank Center once the new arena opens? Is there any opposition to the new arena? I have one more question and if the new floor in the Alamo Dome was good enough for NCAA final four why not for the NBA?
There's always opposition to a new arena, and some of it is understandable. I'll let people who live in SA respond to that, and I'll stick to your first point.

As someone who grew up in San Antonio and has seen the Spurs play in every arena they have played in in San Antonio, the Frost Bank Center is by far the worst. The main reason is the location. It takes quite an effort to get to a game. Yes, the arena is relatively close to the highway, but you have to park in a ridiculously huge parking lot and deal with a lot of slow-moving traffic both before and after the game. If you park close to the arena, it costs more and the traffic is worse. If you park far from the arena, it costs less and the walk is far and not pleasant. The area is not nice under any circumstances and there is absolutely nothing to do in the area before or after a game. It was a huge mistake to build the arena there in the first place. And it will be 30 years old by the time the Spurs' current lease expires, which is not ancient, but it's aging.

Going to games at the Alamodome was weird. It's built for football. The basketball court was essentially in the end zone and there was only seating one three sides (two of which were behind the baskets), with some temporary bleachers on the fourth side. And that side was looking at the court, so you had almost an entire wasted side where you would expect to have prime seating.

The original Spurs arena was the Hemisfair Arena, which was in almost the exact same location as the new one is planned. My dad and I used to drive in from the northeast side of San Antonio and park in the garage right across the street. The new arena will have even better parking, and I believe there are plans for improved mass transit to and from the games and the area in general. Before and after the game there was a lot to do because you were in downtown San Antonio. The same will be true with the new arena.

The overall plan for the entire project will make the area soooooooo much nicer than it is now. Not just the Alamodome, but the whole area. The land bridge over the highway will be gorgeous. I live in Boston now and it's easy to compare it to the Big Dig, a project that replaced the highway with an underground one and put a park on top. It turned downtown Boston into a really nice place and has been a financial jackpot for the city. Here are some before and after photos.

Aerial view on Google maps.
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Half a billion dollars is a lot of money for a city that has a perfectly good arena in SBC/AT&T/Frost Bank Center. How do you justify the cost to your citizens and get re-elected? What will happen to Frost Bank Center once the new arena opens? Is there any opposition to the new arena? I have one more question and if the new floor in the Alamo Dome was good enough for NCAA final four why not for the NBA?
Why did you list every name for the arena that it’s had? So odd.

Besides that, the current arena is in a terrible location. That’s the bottom line. Its location. That’s why a new arena is needed.

The current arena will be used by the county for events and the rodeo. UTSA can probably use it as their home arena as they use the Alamodome.
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Half a billion dollars is a lot of money for a city that has a perfectly good arena in SBC/AT&T/Frost Bank Center. How do you justify the cost to your citizens and get re-elected? What will happen to Frost Bank Center once the new arena opens? Is there any opposition to the new arena? I have one more question and if the new floor in the Alamo Dome was good enough for NCAA final four why not for the NBA?
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I have one more question and if the new floor in the Alamo Dome was good enough for NCAA final four why not for the NBA?
Because a floor plan for a single event may not be appropriate for an entire season of a professional sport?
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Here's a news report that does a really good job of explaining it all.

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Here's a news report that does a really good job of explaining it all.

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Thank you for the video. It answers my concerns/questions. I do like the promise made by the Spurs org. to cover any cost over runs during construction.
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Thank you for the video. It answers my concerns/questions. I do like the promise made by the Spurs org. to cover any cost over runs during construction.
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The city of San Antonio should be licking the feet of the Spurs right now. A full $1B in funding from the Spurs to do the Arena, some of the Alamodome and probably street, road, and infrastructure improvements; along with overcosts, which are sure to top in over $100M.

Literally the city of SA doesn't deserve the Spurs for this kind of investment.

Literally costing the tax payers close to nothing on this?

I can't think of a more obvious reason to do this. There should be absolutely no more needs from the city on this. They have what they need to get this done.
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The city of San Antonio should be licking the feet of the Spurs right now. A full $1B in funding from the Spurs to do the Arena, some of the Alamodome and probably street, road, and infrastructure improvements; along with overcosts, which are sure to top in over $100M.

Literally the city of SA doesn't deserve the Spurs for this kind of investment.

Literally costing the tax payers close to nothing on this?

I can't think of a more obvious reason to do this. There should be absolutely no more needs from the city on this. They have what they need to get this done.

I 100% agree with you. The excuses are over as far as I'm concerned. This $1Billion dollar commitment by the SPURS is by far one of the highest dollar values I have seen by a Sports organization in recent memory for any stadium in general. I don't think the Buffalo Bills, Tennessee Titans, or Cleveland Browns are making that much commitment for their stadiums, and those are NFL teams.

But by far the most egregious example has to be OKC and their new $900 Million dollar arena they are proposing. Only $50 Million is coming from the Thunder, that's it!!!

So yes, I echo the same message. the city of San Antonio should be taking the deal and signing the paperwork yesterday. If all the funding sources contribute as they are intended, Not a single penny of this arena will be funded by "Residents" of the city of San Antonio. It's a fantastic deal!!!
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Don't Oakland my San Antonio. Downtown matters so much, because on any given day the locals outnumber tourists 2/1; security guards, restaurant workers, hotel staff, office tenants, bus and rideshare drivers, Centro Ambassadors and COSA staff like maintenance and landscaping and trash pickup. The double deckers and Alamo and River boats and all the different people who make downtown function and welcoming around the clock who punch in downtown but live all over. If the politicians a hundred years ago had their way after the 1921 flood, the Riverwalk would've been paved with concrete and turned into a sewage canal. It took a special few, Robert Hugman and the Conservation Society to make it clear how precious downtown and the culture within is...which is where the Shops of Aragon and Romula came in. It's where the World's Fair came in. It's where the Dallas Chaparrals came in. It's where Rivercenter Mall and the Alamodome came in. And in the modern time it's where the Tobin Center and the San Pedro Creek and Civic Park came in. Good things can happen if you fight for it. And fight we do, because when San Antonio hosts the Final Four or a San Japan or a Raul Jimenez Dinner everybody walks away smiling and having a good time, asking for more. And we can do more.

I hope this goes through. Because what's the alternative? Stagnation and the slow, labored death of a beautiful place. A return to yesteryear of vacant businesses and high crime. Where you don't feel like anybody when you should feel like somebody downtown. It should be a place where you can feel like there's something just for you to do. I just don't understand why some people can be so virulently against growth. Not even open to negotiation, just outright stomping their feet and screaming nope! Not here.

I just don't get it.
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Don't Oakland my San Antonio. Downtown matters so much, because on any given day the locals outnumber tourists 2/1; security guards, restaurant workers, hotel staff, office tenants, bus and rideshare drivers, Centro Ambassadors and COSA staff like maintenance and landscaping and trash pickup. The double deckers and Alamo and River boats and all the different people who make downtown function and welcoming around the clock who punch in downtown but live all over. If the politicians a hundred years ago had their way after the 1921 flood, the Riverwalk would've been paved with concrete and turned into a sewage canal. It took a special few, Robert Hugman and the Conservation Society to make it clear how precious downtown and the culture within is...which is where the Shops of Aragon and Romula came in. It's where the World's Fair came in. It's where the Dallas Chaparrals came in. It's where Rivercenter Mall and the Alamodome came in. And in the modern time it's where the Tobin Center and the San Pedro Creek and Civic Park came in. Good things can happen if you fight for it. And fight we do, because when San Antonio hosts the Final Four or a San Japan or a Raul Jimenez Dinner everybody walks away smiling and having a good time, asking for more. And we can do more.

I hope this goes through. Because what's the alternative? Stagnation and the slow, labored death of a beautiful place. A return to yesteryear of vacant businesses and high crime. Where you don't feel like anybody when you should feel like somebody downtown. It should be a place where you can feel like there's something just for you to do. I just don't understand why some people can be so virulently against growth. Not even open to negotiation, just outright stomping their feet and screaming nope! Not here.

I just don't get it.
LOL Don't be so melodramatic! Stagnation and slow death of Texas' leading tourist city? Believe me Trish DeBerry, CEO of Centro San Antonio and other city leaders are working hard for that NOT to happen. And as far as the naysayers are concerned, there will ALWAYS be the supporters and the non-supporters of any proposal in any American city!
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It’s official: Voters will get a say on downtown Spurs arena, East Side rodeo upgrades.
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Not sure if anyone got to catch the city council special session yesterday. It appears most of city council is in favor of moving forward with negotiations with the Spurs....but surprise surprise, the new Mayor wants to slow things down and wants an independent economic analysis.. Good news is that I think she won't have the votes to do that.

In the end, this is too good of a deal for the city to pass up. You have a pro sports team willing to put up 1/2 a billion dollars towards the construction and cover cost overuns. There's also the surrounding development guarantees (similar to the Missions).

Mayor Jones kept bringing up wanting to be sure this was the highest and best use of that texan cultures property. Seriously? Nothing that goes there will fuel that much development. Not sure who is in her ear advising her, but she needs to expand her circle. COPS/Metro will be against everything...and have been forever.
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Not sure if anyone got to catch the city council special session yesterday. It appears most of city council is in favor of moving forward with negotiations with the Spurs....but surprise surprise, the new Mayor wants to slow things down and wants an independent economic analysis.. Good news is that I think she won't have the votes to do that.

In the end, this is too good of a deal for the city to pass up. You have a pro sports team willing to put up 1/2 a billion dollars towards the construction and cover cost overuns. There's also the surrounding development guarantees (similar to the Missions).

Mayor Jones kept bringing up wanting to be sure this was the highest and best use of that texan cultures property. Seriously? Nothing that goes there will fuel that much development. Not sure who is in her ear advising her, but she needs to expand her circle. COPS/Metro will be against everything...and have been forever.
I went to the meeting and spoke in good favor of Project Marvel. I thought Mayor Jones was blunt but professional in the back and forth with the Spurs team and they in turn did their part and explained their side. You could sense some tension between the two, but hey, politics right? That's the name of the game.

The bigger question for me will be the Bexar County November ballot. The original 1999 ballot which funded the SBC/AT&T/Frost Bank/Fred's Fish Fry Center passed with 61/39 percent. If the council officially votes on August 21st, I suppose by Labor Day the opponents and supporters will revv up their engines and start the billboards, the TV interviews, the radio bumpers...we live in exciting times.
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I went to the meeting and spoke in good favor of Project Marvel. I thought Mayor Jones was blunt but professional in the back and forth with the Spurs team and they in turn did their part and explained their side. You could sense some tension between the two, but hey, politics right? That's the name of the game.

The bigger question for me will be the Bexar County November ballot. The original 1999 ballot which funded the SBC/AT&T/Frost Bank/Fred's Fish Fry Center passed with 61/39 percent. If the council officially votes on August 21st, I suppose by Labor Day the opponents and supporters will revv up their engines and start the billboards, the TV interviews, the radio bumpers...we live in exciting times.
Thank you for taking the time to go and speak. I don't think there is as much opposition to this as the media/usual detractors would make you think. Did you get that feeling in the room yesterday?

The Mayor just seems in over head at these meetings. She appears to take things personally too often and doesn't come across as a uniter in any sense. Her military style approach doesn't work.
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Thank you for taking the time to go and speak. I don't think there is as much opposition to this as the media/usual detractors would make you think. Did you get that feeling in the room yesterday?

The Mayor just seems in over head at these meetings. She appears to take things personally too often and doesn't come across as a uniter in any sense. Her military style approach doesn't work.
I probably should've been counting heads because I was there for over five hours (and I didn't eat lunch plus no snacks allowed LOL), but it felt to me there was a decent amount more of those who spoke for Project Marvel over those who are against. There was Chef Johnny Hernandez (who has two restaurants in the current arena) who said that the Spurs always interact with local businesses and they've been great partners, but also a unionized lady who said she has worked at the Hyatt Regency since it opened and was against PM. There was also a lady named Susan Strawn who lost to Dr. Sukh Kaur in the runoff who spoke for several minutes against it as she did in the campaign debates, and it kind of went back and forth between supporters speaking and opponents speaking. And then those who said they were not against the Spurs and growth, just using public monies for private development. So ultimately a lot of different voices and different opinions, but it was a packed house.

I left by around 5pm and watched some of the session at home which kept going into public comment 'till 8. Two councilwomen, Phyllis Viagran and Misty Spears indicated support for the vote, but by that point I started drinking with my dinner and fell asleep so I can't say how anybody else felt LOL.

I think Mayor Jones is just trying to do her part in making an equitable deal out of this. It's a big reason why she won. She opened by asking some of the council who had the "community sessions" if they went and one I believe said she wasn't notified in advance and she had a prior arrangement (wouldn't it be the due diligence to touch base with the district rep to get them at the meeting?). I believe Mayor Jones posed that query prior to the Spurs team explaining the proposal. At one point in the Spurs pitch they mention a potential of 1,900 apartments for the area and she asked how did they figure that number.. I did however, and I'm not making this up, hear at one point when her and Marc Whyte were talking someone sitting across the aisle from me call her a 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 which prompted some head turns, so she definitely has her opponents already. And if you read social media comments...well, say no more. This is the first time a San Antonio mayor who wasn't previously a City Council has been elected since nearly twenty years ago (Hardberger). Feathers will be ruffled.

Ultimately, being a San Antonio politician is a thankless job besides perhaps the free breakfast tacos. But the Spurs are giving a compelling offer; they are responsible for cost overruns and would be responsible for upkeep of the arena. Put that into contrast with the City owned Alamodome and County owned AT&T/Frost Bank/Bill Miller Center and that already is an interesting selling point. If something breaks, the Spurs are paying for it.

And, once again, property taxes are not being pulled to pay for this. It is hotel and car rental taxes. Hotels...and car rentals. Car rentals and hotels. Is it true some people experiencing homelessness rent hotels (more likely to be motels, as my family did for some time), and locals who's car breaks down may need to rent a car? Absolutely. But that isn't a majority of the time, in my opinion not even a slim majority of the time. It's people from Dallas or Houston, or Chicago or San Francisco. They're coming here, and if we were going over there we'd be paying their equivalent tourist taxes, too. San Japan is in a few weeks and they book guests all the way from Tokyo to fly out here, plus the expected 25 thousand plus attendees and workers in the area of HBGCC. If there is that willingness to visit a place, or any place, there are certain costs to budget in travel. And taxes are the price a guest pays. Hell, me taking vacations in Houston (because Go Spurs and Go Astros) there's all kinds of taxes in the last invoice I'm looking at; sports authority tax, downtown district fee, state tax, city tax, county tax...

But that's just how it works. They say there's two guarantees in life.

UPDATE: Mayor Jones is going live with TPR's The Source and is saying it should be delayed.

UPDATE 2: City Council majority rejects Mayor Jones call for delay and tells City Manager Erik Walsh to continue negotiations.
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Spurs arena hits roadblock at City Hall as Mayor Jones demands ‘independent’ economic analysis
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August 11, 2025

"Weeks after the San Antonio Spurs’ owners removed one of the biggest roadblocks to their plans for a new downtown arena, another potentially major delay has emerged.

San Antonio Mayor Gina Ortiz Jones told reporters Monday that the city will solicit bids and select a firm to conduct an “independent economic analysis” of the proposed sports and entertainment district known as Project Marvel.

The results will inform whether the city puts up money for a roughly $4 billion project, which currently leans on a combination of city and county money, reinvested state taxes and private investment. The arena alone is expected to cost between $1.3 billion and $1.5 billion. ..."



https://sanantonioreport.org/mayor-gina-ortiz-jones-says-spurs-arena-economic-analysis/


I don't blame her; this is due diligence and it's a lot of money.
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https://sanantonioreport.org/city-council-spurs-arena-votes-project-marvel/

Glad they got over the NIMBY governor and pushed forward. Now to Nov 4th!
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New Spurs arena leans on $800M in public dollars. Are the taxpayers getting a good deal?
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