YVR & Sea Island Developments Discussion II

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

If you assume that each garage level can accommodate about 500 cars, that's about 3,000 cars for the whole structure. At the going rate of about $20/day for the JetSet and Value Lot long-term parking, that's about $21 million/year - call it $10 million a year at half occupancy.

If it costs $50 million to complete the structure, then it's a 5-year payback, which doesn't seem bad at all. Of course I have no idea if the $50 million is anywhere close, and if they steal all the cars from the other long-term lots they'll loose whatever revenue they're getting from those operations.

And yet YVR put it out to the community for ideas even if the financial case isn't that bad as you point out. Its not surprising given how high costs squeeze residents that demand for parking personal vehicles is lower than they thought.

Why not move all the surface long terms lots into these structures? The Park & Fly lot is adjacent to Burkeville, why not build housing there (although I'm sure there's some ridiculous Transport Caada regs barring that).

[nname]

Originally Posted by whatnext

And yet YVR put it out to the community for ideas even if the financial case isn't that bad as you point out. Its not surprising given how high costs squeeze residents that demand for parking personal vehicles is lower than they thought.

Why not move all the surface long terms lots into these structures? The Park & Fly lot is adjacent to Burkeville, why not build housing there (although I'm sure there's some ridiculous Transport Caada regs barring that).

I think they want to keep the maintenance cost of the long-term lot as low as possible. Maintaining the parking structure will definitely cost much more than those surface lots.

Not sure about regulation, but the airport will definitely want to preserve the land for the potential north-south taxi way in the future. As for the area around it.. no one want to live right beside a taxiway, right?

Originally Posted by hehehe

Yeah seems like there are 7 frequencies which could be used. Fingers crossed for MEL. Maybe they could also look at TPE (I know it's crowded at the moment but DL seems to be doing alright from SEA).

Otherwise I can't think of any glaring holes they could add out of YVR. But BKK seems very successful so I guess they could take a crack at SGN

Something not mentioned before is that AC also just extended the seasonal 3x weekly YVR-SYD by a few days. Now it runs from Nov 29 to Jan 19. So that flight is unlikely to go away. If they resume MEL service, then maybe there will be too much capacity as some days will have 4 flights? Plus the extra SYD service is currently taking the MEL flight number...

Speaking of flight number, it's surprisingly how full the 1-99 series right now.

There's only 4 sets of numbers that have not being used in regular service for the past 8 years:
13/14, for the obvious reason, although 14 sometimes is used for HKG-YVR
21/22, but 21 is used each year for additional flights HKG or SIN... in S25 the number is used for 2 additional HKG flights in Sept, and 2 for SIN in Sept/Oct
54/55
76/77, although they will be used for additional YYZ-DXB flights W25

So any new service from YVR will most definitely come from recycling old flight number. YVR-MNL already used the 17/18 that was originally for TPE. This shows AC wasn't planning to restart TPE any time soon (at least that was the plan about a year ago). It will be interesting to see which number it take, IF there is upcoming new TPAC route(s)...

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by nname

I think they want to keep the maintenance cost of the long-term lot as low as possible. Maintaining the parking structure will definitely cost much more than those surface lots.

Not sure about regulation, but the airport will definitely want to preserve the land for the potential north-south taxi way in the future. As for the area around it.. no one want to live right beside a taxiway, right?...

Given the housing shortage I doubt people would care about the taxiway. And will NavCan ever get their sh!t together enough to require it?

But if that's an issue then remove the surface parking adjacent to Templeton station instead. Even better for housing given the transit access.

[ilikeredheads]

Anyone who thinks building housing on Sea Island is a good idea should goto the outlet there when planes are landing on 26R. It's literally the best place for planespotting because you'll be experiencing this:

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by ilikeredheads

Anyone who thinks building housing on Sea Island is a good idea should goto the outlet there when planes are landing on 26R. It's literally the best place for planespotting because you'll be experiencing this:

Macarthur Glen is literally right under the flight path. The other locations I mentioned, not so much.

[trofirhen]

I wonder what it's like living in Burkeville? It seems close to being undera flight path (depending on the wind direction). It could affect housing prices there.

[hehehe]

Originally Posted by nname

Something not mentioned before is that AC also just extended the seasonal 3x weekly YVR-SYD by a few days. Now it runs from Nov 29 to Jan 19. So that flight is unlikely to go away. If they resume MEL service, then maybe there will be too much capacity as some days will have 4 flights? Plus the extra SYD service is currently taking the MEL flight number...

Speaking of flight number, it's surprisingly how full the 1-99 series right now.

There's only 4 sets of numbers that have not being used in regular service for the past 8 years:
13/14, for the obvious reason, although 14 sometimes is used for HKG-YVR
21/22, but 21 is used each year for additional flights HKG or SIN... in S25 the number is used for 2 additional HKG flights in Sept, and 2 for SIN in Sept/Oct
54/55
76/77, although they will be used for additional YYZ-DXB flights W25

So any new service from YVR will most definitely come from recycling old flight number. YVR-MNL already used the 17/18 that was originally for TPE. This shows AC wasn't planning to restart TPE any time soon (at least that was the plan about a year ago). It will be interesting to see which number it take, IF there is upcoming new TPAC route(s)...

Good point about the TPE flight numbers. I think if MEL is restarted, they'll take the seasonal SYD frequencies for those.

[Denscity]

Westjet announces flights from YVR to Costa Rica!
Starting December 12th.

[djh]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Given the housing shortage I doubt people would care about the taxiway. And will NavCan ever get their sh!t together enough to require it?

But if that's an issue then remove the surface parking adjacent to Templeton station instead. Even better for housing given the transit access.

Last year on my way back from the UK we spent the night before the flight at the hotel right next to the Heathrow Terminal 3 hangars. As soon as we pulled up to the hotel and got out of the car, we couldn't believe how bad the air was. Like, being in a garage with a car exhaust running. Even in the hotel which had full A/C running, the air quality was unbelievably bad.

Didn't mind the noise or the vibration. The air made breathing scary. I would hate to have to live in any accommodation that close to an airport.

[jollyburger]

The growth continues. Thurlow confirmed that a long-anticipated third phase of development is in the works. While an exact opening timeline has not yet been announced, the expansion will add approximately 65,000 square feet and between 15 and 20 stores, depending on unit sizes. Some will be new-to-market brands, while others will involve expanding space for existing tenants that have outgrown their current footprints.

McArthurGlen Designer Outlet Vancouver Airport is not only thriving in foot traffic but also in sales. According to Thurlow, the centre currently generates about $1,350 per square foot, placing it in the top tier of shopping centres in Canada, outperforming many full-price malls.

https://retail-insider.com/retail-inside...r-celebrates-10-years-of-retail-success/

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by djh

Last year on my way back from the UK we spent the night before the flight at the hotel right next to the Heathrow Terminal 3 hangars. As soon as we pulled up to the hotel and got out of the car, we couldn't believe how bad the air was. Like, being in a garage with a car exhaust running. Even in the hotel which had full A/C running, the air quality was unbelievably bad.

Didn't mind the noise or the vibration. The air made breathing scary. I would hate to have to live in any accommodation that close to an airport.

I’ve never noticed this at yvr

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

https://retail-insider.com/retail-inside...r-celebrates-10-years-of-retail-success/

That guy has been saying this for a few years now. Losing credibility

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

https://retail-insider.com/retail-inside...r-celebrates-10-years-of-retail-success/

...the centre currently generates about $1,350 per square foot, placing it in the top tier of shopping centres in Canada, outperforming many full-price malls.

Ha - "Full-price malls". Nice attempt at spin there. I haven't seen any particular price differential between the stores at MacArthur Glen and any other mall in the Lower Mainland...

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

That guy has been saying this for a few years now. Losing credibility

Just curious, to what are you referring?

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Ha - "Full-price malls". Nice attempt at spin there. I haven't seen any particular price differential between the stores at MacArthur Glen and any other mall in the Lower Mainland...

I think it's just a retail real estate term..

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

I think it's just a retail real estate term..

I don't think so. MacArthur Glen is, in theory, a "factory outlet" mall with stores that are supposedly run by the brands themselves selling at a discount because there's no middleman. But outlet stores often sell at the same prices or sell merchandise that is downgraded in one way or another from the normal retail channel, so you're not really getting much of a deal unless they're trying to clear out inventory that isn't moving very well.

That's been my experience, at any rate.

[nname]

As reported in the Canada thread, AC adds 1x weekly YVR-TPQ, just 2 days after WS announced YYC-TPQ

https://www.aircanada.com/media/air-cana...ima-adds-three-new-hotspot-destinations/

This flight is from reallocating resource from PVR, which will now be 6x weekly instead of daily for the duration of TPQ service.

Looks like AC is actively defending YVR... from RDU and TPA in the summer, now TPQ. Maybe we'll see YVR-PTY soon?

Also noticed YVR-YHZ now run 2x daily from Sept until the end of Oct. That's where all the resources from transborder reduction went. Wonder if they are trying to make the route year-round again...

[s211]

Could Rosen's outlet store please please please get a bigger unit? It pales in comparison to their stores in Calgary and suburban Toronto, and the limited amount of stock and poor presentation is quite the turn-off. It's like Zellers 1.0 in there.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by nname

Maybe we'll see YVR-PTY soon?

A bit too long for the Max 8, but definitely a possibility with the A321XLRs coming online soon.

[nname]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

A bit too long for the Max 8, but definitely a possibility with the A321XLRs coming online soon.

Well if GOL can fly BSB-MCO with high density 7M8, then YVR-PTY should work as it is about 40 miles shorter, the plane sits 20 less, and the airport is at lower elevation?

Not sure if G3 is taking a payload hit on that route though...