PHILADELPHIA | Lowrise/General Developments Thread II

[TonyTone]

Originally Posted by nemesisinphilly

There is no restaurant in Philly that comes close to a 3 star. Not a slight on Philly at all. LA doesn't even have any 3 star spots.

I think we'll struggle to get 2 stars. A lot of it is about service vs just the food. We don't have a ton of super high end service places. So maybe Vetri will get 2. Maybe Royal Sushi. Maybe the new Provenance... haven't been there yet.

I think we'll get a good amount of Bib Gourmands and "Selected Restaurants"

I think if we get more than like a dozen 1 stars that would be great.

I think we could have some contenders for three stars, one of them being Lochbar which ive heard stellar reviews about, the other could be DEVON in Rittenhouse square, solid service and food.

I do agree with you though, high end is more than price and food, the quality and thoughtfulness of the resturant and service is what makes it.

[Arch+Eng]

Originally Posted by nemesisinphilly

There is no restaurant in Philly that comes close to a 3 star. Not a slight on Philly at all. LA doesn't even have any 3 star spots.

I think we'll struggle to get 2 stars. A lot of it is about service vs just the food. We don't have a ton of super high end service places. So maybe Vetri will get 2. Maybe Royal Sushi. Maybe the new Provenance... haven't been there yet.

I think we'll get a good amount of Bib Gourmands and "Selected Restaurants"

I think if we get more than like a dozen 1 stars that would be great.

Jean-Georges?

[BroadandMarket]

Originally Posted by TonyTone

I think we could have some contenders for three stars, one of them being Lochbar which ive heard stellar reviews about, the other could be DEVON in Rittenhouse square, solid service and food.

I do agree with you though, high end is more than price and food, the quality and thoughtfulness of the resturant and service is what makes it.

Devon closed and wasn't worthy of 1 star let alone 3. Loch Bar is a chain, it's nowhere close to 3 stars.

Friday Saturday Sunday, Kalaya, Provenance, Vetri, JG, Zahav, Royal Izakaya, Morimoto, Vernick, Ambra, Little Fish, Borromini etc. Those are the heavy hitters.

Those are the type of places that are star worthy and maybe 2. I don't think Philly will have any 3 star spots.

[bdurk]

Apparently they did a Michelin guide for Austin somewhat recently and gave out a few stars to some BBQ trucks and small places like that. I wouldn't be shocked if some of our cheesesteak spots like Angelo's or JRP get a star or I guess are a part of the guide. I don't know how I feel about this to be honest, I hope it doesn't make the places that receive the stars out of reach for normal people. I want to try Royal Sushi someday

[PHLtoNYC]

Originally Posted by BroadandMarket

Devon closed and wasn't worthy of 1 star let alone 3. Loch Bar is a chain, it's nowhere close to 3 stars.

Friday Saturday Sunday, Kalaya, Provenance, Vetri, JG, Zahav, Royal Izakaya, Morimoto, Vernick, Ambra, Little Fish, Borromini etc. Those are the heavy hitters.

Those are the type of places that are star worthy and maybe 2. I don't think Philly will have any 3 star spots.

Good list, and perhaps My Loup and Her Place Supper Club? There is also Michelin Bib Gourmand, which opens the door to many places.

I don't mean to sound shady, but lol if someone thinks Devon was worthy of 3 stars. Loch Bar is very nice, but similar to a Capital Grille (seafood focused)... Not a James Beard or Michelin type restaurant.

Originally Posted by bdurk

Apparently they did a Michelin guide for Austin somewhat recently and gave out a few stars to some BBQ trucks and small places like that. I wouldn't be shocked if some of our cheesesteak spots like Angelo's or JRP get a star or I guess are a part of the guide. I don't know how I feel about this to be honest, I hope it doesn't make the places that receive the stars out of reach for normal people. I want to try Royal Sushi someday

Don't fall into the typical Philly attitude hole, lol. It adds deserved recognition to the culinary scene and another boost to tourism, and it's not going to turn Philadelphia into New York (I've seen ridiculous comments on social media suggest that). Plus Philadelphia does well with James Beard, this is another layer. Chicago has a Michelin guide and remains accessible, I predict the same here.

To your point about Austin, the Bib Gourmand guide features more affordable / casual eats, so not all Friday, Saturday, Sunday type places.

[BroadandMarket]

Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

Don't fall into the typical Philly attitude hole, lol. It adds deserved recognition to the culinary scene and another boost to tourism, and it's not going to turn Philadelphia into New York (I've seen ridiculous comments on social media suggest that). Plus Philadelphia does well with James Beard, this is another layer. Chicago has a Michelin guide and remains accessible, I predict the same here.

Yeah it's a negadelphian attitude to reject Michelin recognition. It helps, restaurants, hotels, shops, tourism and our whole economy. We'd be a lot better off as a whole if we had more tourists (sigh Market East is a dump). NYC can support so many businesses because a Tuesday night is no different than a Saturday night with that many tourists in town.

[tsarstruck]

Originally Posted by Philly Kid

Homicides are at 69 YTD, down 25% YoY. Thats the best data I’ve seen in a while, and last year was the lowest annual homicide rate in over a decade. Pretty promising.

This drop in homicides is not getting nearly enough attention. Homicides are down to levels we haven't seen in decades. 10% below the low-water mark of the Nutter years. And while I'm sure the PPD deserve credit, this is part of a somewhat mysterious nation-wide trend with Baltimore and New Orleans also with far fewer homicides than they've seen in decades.

[DeltaNerd]

Originally Posted by BroadandMarket

Yeah it's a negadelphian attitude to reject Michelin recognition. It helps, restaurants, hotels, shops, tourism and our whole economy. We'd be a lot better off as a whole if we had more tourists (sigh Market East is a dump). NYC can support so many businesses because a Tuesday night is no different than a Saturday night with that many tourists in town.

The people commenting on the Michelin guide is silly. I bet those people don't eat at Fine dinning. Which is fine but it's not about them, its about the restaurants and the city.
Me personally I love fine dinning and gives me more reasons to eat fancy whenever I want.

[PurpleWhiteOut]

https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate/com...elphia-parking-lot-alterra-20250513.html

Passyunk and Bainbridge apartment building is back on with Alterra taking over

[Raja]

Originally Posted by PurpleWhiteOut

https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate/com...elphia-parking-lot-alterra-20250513.html

Passyunk and Bainbridge apartment building is back on with Alterra taking over

Oh thank god. I've been saying for years now that the path forward for South Street has to start with more residential and not just a revolving door of commercial. This is exactly what that corner needs.

[BroadandMarket]

Oh wow that's PERFECT. I hate this lot so much, especially since a few nice rowhomes were demolished for the last iteration. The retail could definitely support some type of small grocery store/deli. Something like Palm Tree or Guavaberry.



Bainbridge green should also be made into a real park. If this was London or Paris, the whole south side of the road could be turned into a park. It's not, so we still need to cater to cars. The diagonal parking on the south side should be turned into normal parallel parking and the north side of the street could be much narrower. It almost fits 2 lanes as is. I think that could easily buy you 20 feet and widen the whole park.

[nemesisinphilly]

Once the Michelin Stars are here a for a few years it's not really going to be a big deal. The hype will die down.

The guide currently has two other titles other than stars. Bib Gourmand which is usually a more casual lower priced restaurant. I can see something like the new Royal Tavern getting a Bib Gourmand.

Then there's "Selected Restaurants" which are restaurants of note that are not quite to the level of 1 star. I think lots of places in Philly will get this. Something like Parc and Laser Wolf are likely to fall into this category as in NYC Pastis and the Brooklyn Laser Wolf are "Selected Restaurants"

I've been to a handful 3 star, a few 2 star, and lots of 1 star etc places. IMO nothing in Philly comes close to a 3 star at this point. There are only 14 three star place in the entire USA. Like the French Laundry, Le Bernardin, Alinea, etc. Nothing at that level of food and most importantly service in Philly.

2 Stars I think are also a stretch but not unrealistic for something like Vetri, maybe JG(NYC one has 2 stars) I haven't been to Provenance yet. Michelin loves Japanese food so Royal Sushi may get 2 but more likely 1.

I think overall we'll get a lot of recognition in 1 Star/Bib/Selected but doubtful on the higher levels.

[jaysb]

Originally Posted by BroadandMarket

Oh wow that's PERFECT. I hate this lot so much, especially since a few nice rowhomes were demolished for the last iteration. The retail could definitely support some type of small grocery store/deli. Something like Palm Tree or Guavaberry.



Bainbridge green should also be made into a real park. If this was London or Paris, the whole south side of the road could be turned into a park. It's not, so we still need to cater to cars. The diagonal parking on the south side should be turned into normal parallel parking and the north side of the street could be much narrower. It almost fits 2 lanes as is. I think that could easily buy you 20 feet and widen the whole park.

Bainbridge is a mess. 100 % agree they need to wipe out one of those lanes and improve/expand the 'park' there. I swear I saw something about that 2-3 years ago but nothing since.

[TonyTone]

Originally Posted by BroadandMarket

Devon closed and wasn't worthy of 1 star let alone 3. Loch Bar is a chain, it's nowhere close to 3 stars.

Friday Saturday Sunday, Kalaya, Provenance, Vetri, JG, Zahav, Royal Izakaya, Morimoto, Vernick, Ambra, Little Fish, Borromini etc. Those are the heavy hitters.

Those are the type of places that are star worthy and maybe 2. I don't think Philly will have any 3 star spots.

Thank you now I have some new places to go to.

[BroadandMarket]

Sadly any new plans will probably have the same fate as Headhouse square where cars and parking come first. This is where community input is just awful. Bainbridge around there is really weird, you drive on the wrong side of the road for 2 blocks.

old renderings:


The green space used to be wider until cars took over (omg that trash haha)


https://www.phillyvoice.com/can-south-philly-street-be-citys-next-great-green-space/

[Londonee]

Originally Posted by BroadandMarket

Devon closed and wasn't worthy of 1 star let alone 3. Loch Bar is a chain, it's nowhere close to 3 stars.

Friday Saturday Sunday, Kalaya, Provenance, Vetri, JG, Zahav, Royal Izakaya, Morimoto, Vernick, Ambra, Little Fish, Borromini etc. Those are the heavy hitters.

Those are the type of places that are star worthy and maybe 2. I don't think Philly will have any 3 star spots.

Laurel, Vernick Fish, maybe Fork, Suraya, Palizzi SC, Her Place SC, My Loup, maybe Townsend

[Raja]

Originally Posted by Londonee

Laurel, Vernick Fish, maybe Fork, Suraya, Palizzi SC, Her Place SC, My Loup, maybe Townsend

Maybe also Forsythia or Lacroix. Or Hiroki, or Mawn. If they go out to the burbs, maybe they add Talula's Table.

[PhillyDreamsReturns]

I've been to over 100 Michelin star restaurants worldwide, is a hobby of mine. Her Place SC is a 3 star IMO.

[DeltaNerd]

I'm try to think of places that would be bib gourmand.
So Mawn, El Chingon, JiangNan as a start.

I'm sure there are tons of restaurants that would qualify for bib gourmand in this city

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by ScreamShatter

Would be good to beat out DC and Boston.

If we don't, it will underscore what I've always thought...that Michelin is worthless.

Philly is a far superior food city to both of these places. And it's not even close. Boston lmfao.