PHILADELPHIA | Lowrise/General Developments Thread II - Page 313

mcgrath618 · #**6241** Posted **May 8, 2025, 3:54 PM**

That looks like absolute garbage. Is Girard doomed to be lined with slop west of Front?

Would it have killed the developer to have continued the brick across the entire facade? It would go a long way towards improving the aesthetics of that design.

Something has to change.

PHLtoNYC · #**6242** Posted **May 8, 2025, 4:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by mcgrath618

That looks like absolute garbage. Is Girard doomed to be lined with slop west of Front?

Would it have killed the developer to have continued the brick across the entire facade? It would go a long way towards improving the aesthetics of that design.

Something has to change.

Not a looker, but I don't find it any more offensive than most new builds in the city (assuming you are referring to 130 W. Girard). Would covering the entire Girard façade in brick make this project not pencil out?

I wonder if developers are...

1. Too cheap to care, just throw up some slop?
2. Are that cash strapped to make these projects pencil out?
3. Modern design standards are just so low that they actually think this looks good?

mcgrath618 · #**6243** Posted **May 8, 2025, 4:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

Not a looker, but I don't find it any more offensive than most new builds in the city (assuming you are referring to 130 W. Girard). Would covering the entire Girard façade in brick make this project not pencil out?

I wonder if developers are...

1. Too cheap to care, just throw up some slop?
2. Are that cash strapped to make these projects pencil out?
3. Modern design standards are just so low that they actually think this looks good?

Porque no los tres?

PurpleWhiteOut · #**6244** Posted **May 8, 2025, 5:15 PM**

I always think it's strange how they get cheaper the closer they are to the top, when that's often the most visible part. On old school high and mid rises, the more bland parts are often the middle floors with more ornament toward the top and the bottom which makes more sense to me

TonyTone · #**6245** Posted **May 8, 2025, 5:20 PM**

Whats some projects you guys want me to capture when I go out for my next set of street and drone shots? I have a list in my mind of projects I need to capture but I know theres some im missing.

mcgrath618 · #**6246** Posted **May 8, 2025, 5:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by PurpleWhiteOut

I always think it's strange how they get cheaper the closer they are to the top, when that's often the most visible part. On old school high and mid rises, the more bland parts are often the middle floors with more ornament toward the top and the bottom which makes more sense to me

It's a sad attempt to make the building resemble a prewar with a cheap overbuild on top.

PurpleWhiteOut · #**6247** Posted **May 8, 2025, 5:45 PM**

The Jarvis/NOTO building addition and overbuild is nearing completion. I didn't get great pictures of the art panels, but they're partially captured on Google maps already

3rd&Brown · #**6248** Posted **May 9, 2025, 4:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by PurpleWhiteOut

I always think it's strange how they get cheaper the closer they are to the top, when that's often the most visible part. On old school high and mid rises, the more bland parts are often the middle floors with more ornament toward the top and the bottom which makes more sense to me

I've seen projects like this presented before. The developers and lawyers almost always to speak to this as if it's a positive.

Aside from saving money (which I think is the real reason), they do it to make the building look like it is "stepping back" to look less visually big. It's an effective talking point for NIMBYs who are super sensitive to height. It is also misguided. Afterall, the building is still as big as it is, period, no matter what materials you use, with all of the pros and cons of being that big (light, air, parking, blah blah blah). As such, design the entire building and lean into it.

PHLJD13 · #**6249** Posted **May 10, 2025, 8:59 PM**

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The Jarvis/NOTO building addition and overbuild is nearing completion. I didn't get great pictures of the art panels, but they're partially captured on Google maps already

It's wild how long this project has taken. Buildings double its height and density have gone up in half the time. I lived in Callowhill when this broke ground; I haven't lived in the neighborhood for over 3 years now, and it still isn't done.

Philly Kid · #**6250** Posted **May 11, 2025, 2:39 AM**

Homicides are at 69 YTD, down 25% YoY. Thats the best data I’ve seen in a while, and last year was the lowest annual homicide rate in over a decade. Pretty promising.

TonyTone · #**6251** Posted **May 11, 2025, 7:09 AM**

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Homicides are at 69 YTD, down 25% YoY. Thats the best data I’ve seen in a while, and last year was the lowest annual homicide rate in over a decade. Pretty promising.

After being away for almost a year and coming back, I can say there is a different feel to the city, it does feel safer, also QOL issues are being tackled, I haven't seen the PPD being this proactive in a long time, everything from pulling over Moped delivery drivers to active policing, The city is moving is a positive direction post covid, and we are seeing a difference, very happy with the current admin.

blart · #**6252** Posted **May 11, 2025, 5:59 PM**

5-11
Seen on or just off of Delaware Ave, from Fairmount to Frankford Aves.

yuryphilly · #**6253** Posted **May 11, 2025, 10:10 PM**

That great infill for that area, but I am curious how long wooden apartments can last? What was the earliest example of a wooden 5 over 1?

PurpleWhiteOut · #**6254** Posted **May 11, 2025, 11:02 PM**

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That great infill for that area, but I am curious how long wooden apartments can last? What was the earliest example of a wooden 5 over 1?

Casa Heiwa in LA was built in '96 and is among the first. I imagine like any building, it will come down to maintenance primarily. I'm sure much of the structure including the cladding can be relatively easily replaced.

PHL10 · #**6255** Posted **May 12, 2025, 1:16 PM**

Beautiful day yesterday. Nice greeting coming up the Walnut subway stairs:

PHLtoNYC · #**6256** Posted **May 12, 2025, 1:30 PM**

About time! And much deserved (even if money is required).

The MICHELIN Guide Debuts in Boston and Philadelphia
https://guide.michelin.com/us/en/article...elphia-massachusetts-pennsylvania-philly

“We are thrilled for Boston and Philadelphia to join The MICHELIN Guide Northeast Cities as both are premier destinations for gourmets to experience a rich diversity of cuisine and culinary history,” said Gwendal Poullennec, International Director of The MICHELIN Guide. “The local passion, talent, and camaraderie in both Boston and Philadelphia are evident in their restaurant communities and the anonymous Inspectors look forward to spotlighting their unique experiences in both cities.”

mcgrath618 · #**6257** Posted **May 12, 2025, 3:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by PurpleWhiteOut

Casa Heiwa in LA was built in '96 and is among the first. I imagine like any building, it will come down to maintenance primarily. I'm sure much of the structure including the cladding can be relatively easily replaced.

California has significantly lower rainfall averages than Philadelphia. Wooden construction can last longer there because the climate is more arid.

I don’t know how long stick frames will be able to last here, but I can certainly tell you that my great great great great grandchildren in 2200 won’t be seeing any of them. The by-that-point 500 year old brick buildings in Old City might still be there, if they aren’t torn down.

ScreamShatter · #**6258** Posted **May 12, 2025, 3:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

About time! And much deserved (even if money is required).

The MICHELIN Guide Debuts in Boston and Philadelphia
https://guide.michelin.com/us/en/article...elphia-massachusetts-pennsylvania-philly

“We are thrilled for Boston and Philadelphia to join The MICHELIN Guide Northeast Cities as both are premier destinations for gourmets to experience a rich diversity of cuisine and culinary history,” said Gwendal Poullennec, International Director of The MICHELIN Guide. “The local passion, talent, and camaraderie in both Boston and Philadelphia are evident in their restaurant communities and the anonymous Inspectors look forward to spotlighting their unique experiences in both cities.”

Finally! We may have a couple 2 stars in there, but not sure we will get a three. Hoping Philly gets stronger ratings than people expect. Would be good to beat out DC and Boston.

PHLtoNYC · #**6259** Posted **May 12, 2025, 4:34 PM**

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Finally! We may have a couple 2 stars in there, but not sure we will get a three. Hoping Philly gets stronger ratings than people expect. Would be good to beat out DC and Boston.

Yea, but 3 is rare. New York only has five of them.

But regardless, it's money well spent by the Philadelphia Convention and Visitors Bureau (IMO), as it will create even more chatter and energy around the culinary scene.

nemesisinphilly · #**6260** Posted **May 12, 2025, 8:14 PM**

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Finally! We may have a couple 2 stars in there, but not sure we will get a three. Hoping Philly gets stronger ratings than people expect. Would be good to beat out DC and Boston.

There is no restaurant in Philly that comes close to a 3 star. Not a slight on Philly at all. LA doesn't even have any 3 star spots.

I think we'll struggle to get 2 stars. A lot of it is about service vs just the food. We don't have a ton of super high end service places. So maybe Vetri will get 2. Maybe Royal Sushi. Maybe the new Provenance... haven't been there yet.

I think we'll get a good amount of Bib Gourmands and "Selected Restaurants"

I think if we get more than like a dozen 1 stars that would be great.