Jericho Lands | 49fl | 13.6M sqft | Proposed

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

https://syc.vancouver.ca/projects/jerich...evelopment-plan-feb2025-info-session.pdf

Too many conditions! Jeez I'll be surprised if most of this ever sees the light of day as written.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by logan5

Somebody pass the Depends! Is there anyone under the age of 70 in that crowd? Do they not realize there is going to be a Skytrain station there, and the area well outside the Jericho Lands will be eligible for high-rise and low-rise. The Jericho Lands are the least of their problems.

One person at least. He's running for TEAM

[officedweller]

If the Jericho Lands is going to have a big supermarket, I doubt that it would be viable for another full sized supermarket to open at Point Grey Village.
Maybe a smaller one like Nesters would work in Point Grey Village.

[GenWhy?]

Really impressed how Geller's Highbury tower is essentially what the City is trying to avoid with Broadway Plan urban design / public realm guidelines.

It's mostly a concrete face with a hedge. Not very neighbourly

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by officedweller

If the Jericho Lands is going to have a big supermarket, I doubt that it would be viable for another full sized supermarket to open at Point Grey Village.
Maybe a smaller one like Nesters would work in Point Grey Village.

It had a 37,000 sq feet grocery space in the Point Grey redevelopment?

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/4545-wes...rey-safeway-rental-housing-redevelopment

I doubt you would see a full supermarket at Jericho Lands until a later phase when they have enough residents to support it.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

It had a 37,000 sq feet grocery space in the Point Grey redevelopment?

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/4545-wes...rey-safeway-rental-housing-redevelopment

I doubt you would see a full supermarket at Jericho Lands until a later phase when they have enough residents to support it.

Rezoning just approved - yeah, 35,000 sq ft grocery store.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/4545-457...oint-grey-safeway-redevelopment-approved

[s211]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

https://vancouversun.com/business/vancouver-safeways-developers-density

He develops this junk and is complaining about design standards.



https://www.bccondosandhomes.com/building/highbury-towers-2020-street#gallery-1

Built 40 years ago. Take a chill pill. Back in the day that was pretty acceptable.

[Migrant_Coconut]

And Geller's going on like it's still pretty acceptable. An entire generation and neighbourhood has somehow failed to realize that they're completely out of touch with the rest of the city.

[idunno]

I wonder what the odds are we'll get Hardwick back onto Council, as these old west siders do tend to show up with votes.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Depends. On one hand, TEAM managed just 12% of the council vote at best, and couldn't even get 10% of the mayoral vote... on the other, byelections tend to skew toward vocal minorities.

Based on the last byelection, I'm guessing at least one ABC candidate and possibly a left-leaning one.

[jollyburger]

West Point Grey Academy

Throughout WPGA’s history, the school’s lease has been resigned in 10-year terms; in 2024, our current school lease (2020-2030) was approved for renewal to 2040 by MST DC, reflecting our relationship and commitment to an ongoing agreement in perpetuity with the landowners.

In due course, we will negotiate a long-term (perpetual) lease with MST DC for a new building site at a mutually agreed upon and desired location on the Jericho Lands.

https://www.wpga.ca/community/jericho-lands-development

[jollyburger]

I would pay to live on the 37th floor and laugh at Susan Fisher.

Jericho Lands: Megaproject aims to bring downtown-style urbanism to quiet Vancouver neighbourhood

Susan Fisher is a 45-year resident of West Point Grey and speaks for the Jericho Coalition, a neighbourhood group opposing MST Development’s proposal. Like many of her neighbours, she is alarmed about huge numbers of people and cars in the neighbourhood, and tall towers blocking views.

Fisher said when she spoke at a January 2024 council meeting for an earlier phase of the Jericho Lands planning process, she noticed the “striking” contrast between how the proposal was described by its opponents and supporters.

“I could imagine what I would feel like if I were in my 30s, and had a decent job … and I saw so much money going out every month in rent and daycare, that we’ll never save for a down payment,” said Fisher, a grandmother and retired professor. “Being locked out of the housing market, that’s just so wrong.”

While Fisher sympathizes with younger renters struggling to find suitable housing, she said, she does not think she would support this megaproject if she were in their position.

“I don’t want to live in a luxury condo on the 37th floor. It’s not going to serve the needs of young families.”

Fisher supports an alternative design for Jericho that the coalition has proposed, with low- and mid-rise buildings, no towers and fewer residents.

“It’s not like we’re saying: ‘Oh go away, we’re going to close the gates,'” Fisher said.

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/jericho-lands-development-public-hearing-city-hall

[GenWhy?]

Susan is right, the units that rent for less are on the lower levels, exactly what she thinks is an ideal height to live at.

[WarrenC12]

A 45 yr old retiree in WPG? Hold on while I look for my smallest violin.

Read the room Susan.

[jollyburger]

I read it the same way. She lived in West Point Grey for 45 years and is a stereotype NIMBY.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Susan is right, the units that rent for less are on the lower levels, exactly what she thinks is an ideal height to live at.

True but higher cost units subsidize lower cost ones and the development overall. Can they build the same number of homes with the same quality of community building, infrastructure, etc. with low to mid-rise only? I prefer a more urban European height level overall in our city and think that every neighbourhood in Vancouver should already be zoned at that level. But since it is not, demand becomes more concentrated into high rises at certain nodes.

[Sheba]

“It’s not like we’re saying: ‘Oh go away, we’re going to close the gates,'”

Oh that's exactly what you're saying - go away.

I noticed this a bit further down in the article: ...while the city of Vancouver and the Metro region have been growing in recent years, the population in West Point Grey has shrunk.

It sounds like the whole area needs to be upzoned to allow for (at minimum) gentle density, along with some of the low and midrise buildings these people think Jericho should be limited to. (Note: I don't know all the zoning in the CoV - maybe the area is already upzoned, although I doubt it)

Then I look at this image in the article and wonder how many of the local residents opposing it are anywhere near where the towers are planned - most of them are across from Jericho Beach Park.


2023 developer’s rendering of proposal for Jericho Lands.

[jollyburger]

At least with the Broadway Plan there is a practical way through civic politics to change the course of development if there's enough support. But the fact of that matter is they are stuck with whatever MST decides to choose.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by Sheba

It sounds like the whole area needs to be upzoned to allow for (at minimum) gentle density, along with some of the low and midrise buildings these people think Jericho should be limited to. (Note: I don't know all the zoning in the CoV - maybe the area is already upzoned, although I doubt it)

West Point Grey is mostly (let's go with practically 90%) R-1 zoning (multiplex) at 33' x 120', which permits 3-4 units - almost identical to duplex with secondary suites. So I'd personally argue nothing was changed here for lots this small. There is a teeny bit of RM around W 4th and along Alma and by the golf course.

One RR (rental) zone approved and one in review. Which these communities are vehemently against as well, not to mention the Safeway redevelopment. Kits / the City opposed an 8-storey (or maybe it was a bit taller) rental redevelopment of the Hollywood Theatre.

While physically the neighbourhood has changed little, its stagnation (edit: and preservation) has led to a substantial demographic shift.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

West Point Grey is mostly (let's go with practically 90%) R-1 zoning (multiplex) at 33' x 120', which permits 3-4 units - almost identical to duplex with secondary suites. So I'd personally argue nothing was changed here for lots this small. There is a teeny bit of RM around W 4th and along Alma and by the golf course.

One RR (rental) zone approved and one in review. Which these communities are vehemently against as well, not to mention the Safeway redevelopment. Kits / the City opposed an 8-storey (or maybe it was a bit taller) rental redevelopment of the Hollywood Theatre.

While physically the neighbourhood has changed little, its stagnation has led to a substantial demographic shift.

Throw in land valuation increases which probably makes redevelopment in this area impractical except in areas with some multi-family housing/brownfield sites. So they'll basically keep their wish of living in a SFH suburb just with some huge towers by Jericho Beach.