Canadian Federal Election

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by trueviking

This is completely wrong.

The median household income after taxes in Canada is $73,000. In the United States it is $64,000. One of those groups has to pay for health care out of that money and one doesn’t.

Median rent in the USA is $1450 per month. In Canada median rent is $1307.

In the United States 30% of households have an annual income below $35,000. In Canada it is 12%.

When comparing the US and Canada, you have to use median not average because income disparity is so much higher in the United States. There are many more wealthy people and many more poor people.

Thanks for injecting some sanity into the comparisons.

[Gresto]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

What's an optimal permuation of proportional representation.

The past few months show the advantage of our decisive system. As the mood shifted against Trudeau a 200 seat majority was imminent. As we now come together behind Carney with 40 % he wil have a strong hand. Germany also wanted a strong change but with one party too radical and lots of entrenched regional voting (sound familiar) they will end up with a the social democrats still a part of government. Now they accept their place as secondary and accept certain changes but the Bloc, PPC, Greens all seem less inclined to play nice for the good of the country.

Probably MMP. I'm not arguing it is perfect, but how can any system be worse than FPTP, which often results in 60% of voters being left legislatively unrepresented? Why participate if one's vote is essentially discarded?

Originally Posted by Hecate

People always bring up healthcare, I’m currently on month two of waiting for a ct scan.. go Canada!

Part of it depends on where you live, but I agree that healthcare should be as equal in quality and timeliness as is possible, whether you live in Toronto or Iqaluit. This is a problem in a country as large and lightly populated as Canada. Healthcare in Canada needs improvement, no doubt, but conservatives like you would almost certainly vehemently oppose what is required (higher taxes). You complain about poor services out of one side of your mouth while decrying higher taxes out of the other.
The ingrained negative attitude of most people towards taxes is why we, in modern parlance, can't have nice things. Look at the Liberals' carbon "tax". 8 out of 10 people received more in return than they paid, but that fact did not filter down, so now we are rid of the benighted thing. Yay.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Gresto

Probably MMP. I'm not arguing it is perfect, but how can any system be worse than FPTP, which often results in 60% of voters being left legislatively unrepresented? Why participate if one's vote is essentially discarded?

Part of it depends on where you live, but I agree that healthcare should be as equal in quality and timeliness as is possible, whether you live in Toronto or Iqaluit. This is a problem in a country as large and lightly populated as Canada. Healthcare in Canada needs improvement, no doubt, but conservatives like you would almost certainly vehemently oppose what is required (higher taxes). You complain about poor services out of one side of your mouth while decrying higher taxes out of the other.
The ingrained negative attitude of most people towards taxes is why we, in modern parlance, can't have nice things. Look at the Liberals' carbon "tax". 8 out of 10 people received more in return than they paid, but that fact did not filter down, so now we are rid of the benighted thing. Yay.

In FPTP, 100% of voters (and non-voters) are represented, although perhaps not by the candidate of their choice.

[Hecate]

According to the us census bureau the median American household income was over $80,000 in 2023, in Canada it was $70,500 it went down from the previous year.

Check those stats.

[Hecate]

And for those of you in denial, Canada is losing millions and millions every year in tobacco taxation revenue because of the black market created by the governments ripping off of consumers. You can read this article and educate yourself.

https://globalnews.ca/news/10235450/crim...illegal-cigarettes-kelowna-advocate/amp/

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Hecate

And for those of you in denial, Canada is losing millions and millions every year in tobacco taxation revenue because of the black market created by the governments ripping off of consumers. You can read this article and educate yourself.

https://globalnews.ca/news/10235450/crim...illegal-cigarettes-kelowna-advocate/amp/

Maybe you should just give up smoking.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

In FPTP, 100% of voters (and non-voters) are represented, although perhaps not by the candidate of their choice.

Yes. If you put it another way 100% of the voters can be unrepresented in a MMP or pure PR system. Germany now has a Social Democrat Conservative government. Arguably 100% of voters vehemently wanted one of those two parties excluded from government. Combined they got 45% of the vote so even using your method 55% saw no representation in government which at the end of the day is all that matters.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Maybe you should just give up smoking.

No I’m good, I don’t drink, occasionally smoke cannabis. Don’t do other drugs. I like smoking. I enjoy it. And with all the money I pay buying legal cigarettes why am I waiting two months for a ct scan???

I don’t like alcohol, but if you did, I wouldn’t tell you to give it up, it stinks, causes cancer and other diseases, makes people agressive and stupid.

But I’d never say ban it. That’s childish shit. People have their vices.

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker

Arguing with a cousin who moved to AB... is Carney a billionaire? Have any of ye heard that?

Red is me, orange is her (including me and a random friend quoting her so she's the first two words of our replies). The comment you missed is just her saying "You know Carney's a billionaire right? *Shrug*", and me replying, "I don't, actually. Even Poilievre says he's worth just under $7M and surely that's the richest he could be painted?"

I don't know how reliable any of these web searches for net worth really are. I've seen Pierre's listed as $3-$25million, possibly up to $34.5million, which I also doubt.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Hecate

And for those of you in denial, Canada is losing millions and millions every year in tobacco taxation revenue because of the black market created by the governments ripping off of consumers. You can read this article and educate yourself.

https://globalnews.ca/news/10235450/crim...illegal-cigarettes-kelowna-advocate/amp/

And smoking causes hundreds of millions of dollars every year in additional cost to the health care system (COPD, chronic bronchitis, lung cancer, oral and pharyngeal malignancy, heart disease, stroke, hypertension, bladder cancer etc, etc, etc).

If cigarette prices were lowered, more people would be encouraged to smoke (stress), and would keep on smoking (addiction).

To prevent to consequences of smoking, then smoking must be curtailed as much as possible, and this means making it really, really expensive to smoke. It's for your own good.......

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

I don't know how reliable any of these web searches for net worth really are. I've seen Pierre's listed as $3-$25million, possibly up to $34.5million, which I also doubt.

I'm sure both PP and Carney are millionaires, but, who cares. Neither one would have hundreds of millions of dollars, and, most homeowners in Canada are millionaires by default.

I would place both of them as upper middle class.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

And smoking causes hundreds of millions of dollars every year in additional cost to the health care system (COPD, chronic bronchitis, lung cancer, oral and pharyngeal malignancy, heart disease, stroke, hypertension, bladder cancer etc, etc, etc).

If cigarette prices were lowered, more people would be encouraged to smoke (stress), and would keep on smoking (addiction).

To prevent to consequences of smoking, then smoking must be curtailed as much as possible, and this means making it really, really expensive to smoke. It's for your own good.......

What’s not connecting??? Illegal cigarettes are cheaper than ever… and probably over half the smokers in this country smoke them, I’m the last one in my friend circle still buying legal cigarettes. At my work over half the smokers are buying illegal cigarettes.

This is a big deal, that’s billions in lost revenue.

[Truenorth00]

Futures are red. Asian markets are hitting circuit breakers on the way down. Tomorrow could be Black Monday 2.0.

Meanwhile Trump and co think they are going back to some kind of Bretton Woods deal apparently:

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If our markets hits circuit breakers tomorrow, I think Carney's polls will go in the other direction. Very useful to have a Central Banker in the big chair dealing with this madness.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

I'm sure both PP and Carney are millionaires, but, who cares. Neither one would have hundreds of millions of dollars, and, most homeowners in Canada are millionaires by default.

I would place both of them as upper middle class.

To me, anybody who gets the majority of their income from passive income and that passive income is higher than the average family, is actually wealthy.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Futures are red. Asian markets are hitting circuit breakers on the way down. Tomorrow could be Black Monday 2.0.

Meanwhile Trump and co think they are going back to some kind of Bretton Woods deal apparently:

If our markets hits circuit breakers tomorrow, I think Carney's polls will go in the other direction. Very useful to have a Central Banker in the big chair dealing with this madness.

Yes hard to see any upside for Poilievre. Probably not a 20% drop tomorrow but drop after drop until Trump backs down or the market accepts half the S&P is going to need a 50% write down as their business model doesn't work anymore.

He probably wants to back down but Europe, Canada and China are retaliating and holding firm. Vietnam's exports are mostly backdoor Chinese exports so they have to close that loophole or the whole thing is pointless. There might be a window with Korea and Japan if they open to Ag. Anyone else inclined to make a deal is a rounding error on US exports like Israel or Australia. The UK a possible exception. But most of their barriers are food safety and besides needing to be linked to the European market the population would be up in arms if they have to eat the hormone and chlorinated meat and Chicken.

[Truenorth00]

Trump is insisting on zeroing out trade balances. As long as he believes that, there's no way to make a deal on tariffs.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...s-says-deals-hinge-on-even-trade-balance

He's going to drive the global economy off a cliff. And nobody is going to stop him because they're all sycophants unlike his first term. He's in a reinforcing negative feedback loop of the worst kind. He does dumb shit. Sycophants and Fox News applaud it. He buys their spin. Stubbornly sticks to his moronic opinions. It all gets worse.

He genuinely doesn't understand global trade.

[Truenorth00]

Oil is in the $50s. As per chatter, this would give Alberta a $13B provincial deficit apparently.

https://x.com/GK_Fellows/status/1909046357920555185?t=0gJQkZFCvOfFfzR752YRTg&s=19

Smith might want to start lobbying against the destruction of the global economy.

[kiwi4353]

Regardless of what the polls say this is the most important election in Canada.
Everyone needs to VOTE.

[savevp]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Oil is in the $50s. As per chatter, this would give Alberta a $13B provincial deficit apparently.

https://x.com/GK_Fellows/status/1909046357920555185?t=0gJQkZFCvOfFfzR752YRTg&s=19

Smith might want to start lobbying against the destruction of the global economy.

-Smith needs to start talking about the value of an Eastern pipeline when she talks to Quebecers, rather than trying to foment a separatist alliance

-She should be pounding away at the importance of national corridors rather than threatening unity over plastic straws

[zoomer]

I don't watch CTV National news, but in flipping channels tonight I caught a bit where the headline was a narrowing gap in the polls identified by Nanos whom they are using for their polling. They had an interview with Nic Nanos who explained his thinking on the poll numbers (43% to 37% lead for the Liberals).

Then flipped to Global BC news where they talked about a widening Liberal poll lead (IPSOS) now in double digits - 46 to 34%. So your view of momentum is very much influenced by what newscast your watching as they don't mention other polling firm results.

I checked out CTV news's website and as of an hour ago their top three news stories are:

- Liberals’ lead over Conservatives narrows to six points, as NDP reaches a ‘numeric low’

- Will Mark Carney’s early missteps cost him crucial votes?

- Former deputy police chief replaces Chiang as Liberal candidate in Toronto riding

So what gives? Is CTV biased or Conservative leaning or is this just a coincidence of using their polling numbers with negative news stories for the Liberals?