Canadian Federal Election

[Loco101]

I've been looking at the numbers and if and I mean IF the current numbers hold then the NDP may not win any seats in Ontario and the CPC may only win 10-15 seats. So that would mean over 100 Liberal seats in Ontario alone. There are only 13 seats that are currently considered to be safe for the CPC according to Canada 338.

[kiwi4353]

Is there a website that shows the policy position of all the leaders?

[Gresto]

Originally Posted by casper

The PPC plays an very important role. It provides a home for the more extreme right wing element. That avoids them infecting the Conservatives with wild extreme ideas.

The majority of Canadians are closer to the centre. The reason the Liberals and Conservatives generally do well decade after decade.

The Cons have been more hard-right ever since the Reform/Alliance hostile takeover (remember David Orchard?) of the federal Progressive Conservatives, but I would put forth the notion that terms like "left" and "right" (and "far-" of either), though most of us, including me, still use them, are even more superficial and less applicable nowadays than they were twenty, thirty, forty years ago.

Electorally, what Canada needs is some optimal permutation of proportional representation.

Originally Posted by lio45

Indeed, the Americans are wealthier than us, better GDP per capita, better economic growth, etc.

Fabulous, but not every yardstick of success revolves around economic factors. Talk to the millions of homeless and working poor Americans, and those who have no healthcare, about how the $28-trillion GDP is benefitting them. And all that wealth isn't ameliorating an average life expectancy that is 48th in the world. The average Canadian lives three years longer than the average American.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Gresto

The Cons have been more hard-right ever since the Reform/Alliance hostile takeover (remember David Orchard?) of the federal Progressive Conservatives, but I would put forth the notion that terms like "left" and "right" (and "far-" of either), though most of us, including me, still use them, are even more superficial and less applicable nowadays than they were twenty, thirty, forty years ago.

Electorally, what Canada needs is some optimal permutation of proportional representation.

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What's an optimal permuation of proportional representation?

The past few months show the advantage of our decisive system. As the mood shifted against Trudeau a 200 seat majority was imminent. As we now come together behind Carney with 40 % he wil have a strong hand. Germany also wanted a strong change but with one party too radical and lots of entrenched regional voting (sound familiar) they will end up with a the social democrats still a part of government. Now they accept their place as secondary and accept certain changes but the Bloc, PPC, Greens all seem less inclined to play nice for the good of the country.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by kiwi4353

Is there a website that shows the policy position of all the leaders?

I haven't seen one yet, but it should appear soon. I think the NDP have released their full platform, no?

[travis3000]

New Ipsos Poll:

LPC= 46
CPC= 34
NDP= 10


New Abacus Poll:

LPC= 39
CPC= 39
NDP= 11


New Liaison Poll:

LPC= 44
CPC= 39
NDP= 7

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by Gresto

The Cons have been more hard-right ever since the Reform/Alliance hostile takeover (remember David Orchard?) of the federal Progressive Conservatives, but I would put forth the notion that terms like "left" and "right" (and "far-" of either), though most of us, including me, still use them, are even more superficial and less applicable nowadays than they were twenty, thirty, forty years ago.

Electorally, what Canada needs is some optimal permutation of proportional representation.

Fabulous, but not every yardstick of success revolves around economic factors. Talk to the millions of homeless and working poor Americans, and those who have no healthcare, about how the $28-trillion GDP is benefitting them. And all that wealth isn't ameliorating an average life expectancy that is 48th in the world. The average Canadian lives three years longer than the average American.

People always bring up healthcare, I’m currently on month two of waiting for a ct scan.. go Canada!

Anyway as of 2023 92% of Americans had some form of health insurance whether public or private.

People should look at minimum wages in each country and rents and groceries and all that jazz, rents are on average much cheaper in the unites states. while minimum wage might be lower in the US less than 2% of Americans are working for the federal minimum wage, whereas in Canada its just over 10%
So more Canadians are poorer. We have less disposable income and pay more for almost every service… cell phones and internet anyone? We also pay more tax. Just look at the taxes on Cigarettes and alcohol. A pack of smokes should not cost more than the hourly minimum wage. Hence the rise in illegal cigarettes across Canada funding… organized crime.

[trueviking]

True. Cigarettes should cost three times the minimum hourly wage.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by trueviking

True. Cigarettes should cost three times the minimum hourly wage.

And add more revenue for organized crime..… you’re smart. Unless you’re hawking illegal cigarettes. lol

[ssiguy]

When I think of Canada's current federal discourse, I am come away with one emotion.........sadness.

In the last decade of Trudeau's reign our standard of living and quality of life has plunged. From our million a month using the Food Banks, to out city's parks now being nothing more than homeless encampments, our doubling of both rental and real estate costs, monstrous deficits with no plans to balance the books, the lowest growth rate in the G7 and absolutely none since 2015, a young population who have given up on the idea to own a home, millions without a family doctor, a healthcare system on the brink of collapse all overseen by a shockingly corrupt Party. Trudeau has truly left havoc in his wake. Yes Carney will be more rational and bring back the party to a more centrist governance but the reality is that nearly all the Liberals MPs are running again and these were the ones who never challenged Trudeau on his policies but rather just clapped like a bunch of well trained penguins.

In short, if ever there was a Party that didn't deserve another mandate it's the Liberals and yet here we are. After a decade of complete incompetence and endless corruption, millions, including myself will probably have to plug our collective noses and vote for them in again. What a pathetic commentary on our current political reality.

[travis3000]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

When I think of Canada's current federal discourse, I am come away with one emotion.........sadness.

In the last decade of Trudeau's reign our standard of living and quality of life has plunged. From our million a month using the Food Banks, to out city's parks now being nothing more than homeless encampments, our doubling of both rental and real estate costs, monstrous deficits with no plans to balance the books, the lowest growth rate in the G& and absolutely none since 2015, a young population who have given up on the idea to own a home, millions without a family doctor, to a healthcare system on the brink of collapse all overseen by a shockingly corrupt Party. Trudeau has truly left havoc in his wake. Yes Carney will be more rational and bring back the party to a more centrist governance but the reality is that nearly all the Liberals MPs are running again and these were the ones who never challenged Trudeau on his policies but rather just clapped like a bunch of well trained penguins.

In short, if ever there was a Party that didn't deserve another mandate it's the Liberals and yet here we are. Very pathetic that after a decade of complete incompetence, millions, including myself will probably have to plug our collective noses and vote for them in again. What a pathetic commentary on our current political reality.

To be fair there are many new LPC members running for office. Not everything Trudeau did was horrible. Healthcare is mostly a provincial issue, we had covid which caused many healthcare providers to retire early.

If you're looking to balance the books, PP's promises so far add up to a way bigger deficit than Carneys.

And I'm sorry when the alternative is PP... we can deal with Carney.

[ssiguy]

Originally Posted by travis3000

To be fair there are many new LPC members running for office. And I'm sorry when the alternative is PP... we can deal with Carney.

My whole point is that we shouldn't have to deal with Carney. Carney is the leader of a Party that, after a decade of devastating reign, doesn't deserve to get back in but rather quite the opposite, a unceremonious kick into the gutter from where they have governed. Now our option in to either reward the Party that has brought us to the brink or reward a Party with an attack dog leader with some rather obscene policies.

It's akin to someone being whipped and then asking them if they would like to continue to be whipped or if they would like to try the rack for something different.

[travis3000]

The CEO of Mainstreet just mentioned on Twitter that he's noticing a higher than normal level of engagement on his IVR polls with men. He goes on to say that IF younger men (under 50) turn out in record numbers the CPC will win the election.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by travis3000

To be fair there are many new LPC members running for office. Not everything Trudeau did was horrible. Healthcare is mostly a provincial issue, we had covid which caused many healthcare providers to retire early.

If you're looking to balance the books, PP's promises so far add up to a way bigger deficit than Carneys.

And I'm sorry when the alternative is PP... we can deal with Carney.

New Liberals running for office. So what? MPs have become little more than trained seals. Look how long it took one of the most powerful to push Trudeau out, the rest were happy to ride the Trudeau Titanic down to the bottom.

And it’s still the same shadowy players pulling the strings. Century Initiative anyone? They get a majority and the Libs will go right back to lowering wages through unchecked immigration and goosing housing prices by rolling out the welcome mat for offshore money. They can’t be trusted.

[samne]

Originally Posted by travis3000

The CEO of Mainstreet just mentioned on Twitter that he's noticing a higher than normal level of engagement on his IVR polls with men. He goes on to say that IF younger men (under 50) turn out in record numbers the CPC will win the election.

Very similar to the US election demographics. The under 55 men showed up. Will see if that’s case here.

Liberals key demographic appears to be women, boomers and public workers.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by Hecate

And add more revenue for organized crime..… you’re smart. Unless you’re hawking illegal cigarettes. lol

Totally ridiculous to argue that we should make cigarettes cheap so criminals don’t sell them. If that is really an issue, let’s stop the criminals.

Or better yet. Ban cigarettes altogether.

[casper]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

My whole point is that we shouldn't have to deal with Carney. Carney is the leader of a Party that, after a decade of devastating reign, doesn't deserve to get back in but rather quite the opposite, a unceremonious kick into the gutter from where they have governed. Now our option in to either reward the Party that has brought us to the brink or reward a Party with an attack dog leader with some rather obscene policies.

It's akin to someone being whipped and then asking them if they would like to continue to be whipped or if they would like to try the rack for something different.

Other way of looking at it.....

The Conservatives have had 10 years to regroup and come to Canadian voter with an alternative. They were not rushed, they had all the time in the world to carefully select their leader and the A-team they were going to put forward.

Out of everyone in the Harper government and from outside government, they picked one of the most junior of ministers that had a very abrasive personality. A candidate that finds fault with every aspect of todays Canada.

That is what the Conservatives came up with.

When the Liberals were rushed to select a leader, they picked someone with significant experience, a get-it-done attitude and positive forward looking vision. Look at the rest of the team, they are seasoned leaders.

The local Liberal candidate in my riding is a university professor with a background in climate charge, arctic affairs and defense.

I don't know who will win, there is the weirdest election in a generation. But I know who I am voting for.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by casper

Other way of looking at it.....

The Conservatives have had 10 years to regroup and come to Canadian voter with an alternative. They were not rushed, they had all the time in the world to carefully select their leader and the A-team they were going to put forward.

Out of everyone in the Harper government and from outside government, they picked one of the most junior of ministers that had a very abrasive personality. A candidate that finds fault with every aspect of todays Canada.

That is what the Conservatives came up with.

When the Liberals were rushed to select a leader, they picked someone with significant experience, a get-it-done attitude and positive forward looking vision. Look at the rest of the team, they are seasoned leaders.

The local Liberal candidate in my riding is a university professor with a background in climate charge, arctic affairs and defense.

I don't know who will win, there is the weirdest election in a generation. But I know who I am voting for.

You conveniently leave out that since Harper the Cons fielded two “less abrasive” candidates and they roundly lost two elections to the Libs. Who wouldn’t want to shake up that strategy?

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by Hecate

People always bring up healthcare, I’m currently on month two of waiting for a ct scan.. go Canada!

Anyway as of 2023 92% of Americans had some form of health insurance whether public or private.

People should look at minimum wages in each country and rents and groceries and all that jazz, rents are on average much cheaper in the unites states. while minimum wage might be lower in the US less than 2% of Americans are working for the federal minimum wage, whereas in Canada its just over 10%
So more Canadians are poorer. We have less disposable income and pay more for almost every service… cell phones and internet anyone? We also pay more tax. Just look at the taxes on Cigarettes and alcohol. A pack of smokes should not cost more than the hourly minimum wage. Hence the rise in illegal cigarettes across Canada funding… organized crime.

This is completely wrong.

The median household income after taxes in Canada is $73,000. In the United States it is $64,000. One of those groups has to pay for health care out of that money and one doesn’t.

Median rent in the USA is $1450 per month. In Canada median rent is $1307.

In the United States 30% of households have an annual income below $35,000. In Canada it is 12%.

When comparing the US and Canada, you have to use median not average because income disparity is so much higher in the United States. There are many more wealthy people and many more poor people.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by lio45

Indeed, the Americans are wealthier than us, better GDP per capita, better economic growth, etc.

So yeah, if we can imitate them, great for us. I'd draw the line at renaming the parties tho, the red big tent would be called "LPC" and the blue big tent would be called "CPC" (or PCPC even.)

Higher murder rate, higher teen pregnancy rate, higher incarceration rate, higher healthcare expenses, higher GINI coefficient (something that the Quebecois were proudly trumpeting a few days ago, which somehow escaped your notice), lower life expectancy, lower educational attainment, ....

No fucking thanks.