Canadian Federal Election

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

Danielle S posting that yesterday was a WIN for Canada and pretty much taking credit for the work she did. Many of the maple MAGA crowd saying the Liberals are fabricating and extending the crisis. They seem to overlook that what remains in place is going to result in significant disruption and job losses:

25% tariffs on goods not covered by CUSMA
25% tariffs on autos
25% tariffs on stell and aluminum
10% on energy and potash

If autos were excluded and Ford posted about it being a WIN, she'd be all over it...

My only hope is that Albertans see her for the boot licker and traitor to Canada she is and elect Liberals.

Why the silence on the Chinese tariffs on Canadian products? 100% tariff on agricultural products such as canola and peas; 25% on Canadian seafood? Where's the outrage?

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by Ozabald

Why the silence on the Chinese tariffs on Canadian products? 100% tariff on agricultural products such as canola and peas; 25% on Canadian seafood? Where's the outrage?

Was China our longstanding ally / closest friend? No, so there's your answer.

China-Canada relations have been in the dumps since Trump ripped up the Iran nuclear deal, which forced the arrest of Meng Wanzhou.

• Video Link

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6692586

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/nova-scotia-u-s-china-tariffs-1.7497329

There's quite a lot of outrage about the Chinese seafood tariffs in Atlantic Canada. I'm sure there's lots of outrage about the agricultural tariffs too, no?

Where's the outrage about our 100% tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles?

[Taeolas]

Originally Posted by Ozabald

Why the silence on the Chinese tariffs on Canadian products? 100% tariff on agricultural products such as canola and peas; 25% on Canadian seafood? Where's the outrage?

We went through this about a week or two ago (and 20-30 pages ago).

China has a long history of using these tariffs to manipulate its market. While we don't LIKE those tariffs, they're basically part and parcel of dealing with them economically.

With America, we have a long history of open trade with them, and a long history of them being a strong ally, basically our brother. While they may have done some focused tariffs occasionally (Softwood lumber anyone?), they've generally kept an open economic policy with Canada, until now.

So now that they're throwing these tariffs around willy nilly, it's hurting us a hell of a lot more, AND it's a personal betrayal.

Add on top of that the talk of annexing us, and it's extra salt in the wound; China isn't talking about us becoming a colony after all.

Furthermore, while China-Canada trade is important, Can-Us trade is basically our backbone, so changes to THAT affect us a hell of a lot more than China doing its quarterly roll of the Wheel of Tariffs.

[BlackDog204]

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Interesting that Canada and Mexico are out of the tariff launch dontchathink?

Carney is connected to so many republicans, yet he’s the guy who’s gonna stand up to them. lol.

I kinda hope carney wins cause I wanna see where this shit show is gonna go.

My prediction is carney and trump will make a “European style” North American union, offering us protection for access to our resources. possibly dissolving the Canadian currency and making it easier for the rich to get richer.

Remember when lefties were against businessmen running government, because businessmen are bad and government is not a business.

Which is why he met with Macron and Starmer before even speaking to Donald Trump? Also explains why he paused the purchase of F-35’s.

Meanwhile the cpc cheerleader Stormy Danielle does podcasts with Ben Shapiro and Breitbart seeking election interference and saying PP is in sync with Trump.

Makes perfect sense.

Originally Posted by Hackslack

lol this country is fucked if we insist on continuing to handicap ourselves and handicapping our economic potential.

I like how the only national identity or pride for you (and many Albertans including our traitorous and delusional Premier) is fucking oil in the ground. That’s your only value and identity.

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by Taeolas

We went through this about a week or two ago (and 20-30 pages ago).

China has a long history of using these tariffs to manipulate its market. While we don't LIKE those tariffs, they're basically part and parcel of dealing with them economically.

With America, we have a long history of open trade with them, and a long history of them being a strong ally, basically our brother. While they may have done some focused tariffs occasionally (Softwood lumber anyone?), they've generally kept an open economic policy with Canada, until now.

So now that they're throwing these tariffs around willy nilly, it's hurting us a hell of a lot more, AND it's a personal betrayal.

Add on top of that the talk of annexing us, and it's extra salt in the wound; China isn't talking about us becoming a colony after all.

Furthermore, while China-Canada trade is important, Can-Us trade is basically our backbone, so changes to THAT affect us a hell of a lot more than China doing its quarterly roll of the Wheel of Tariffs.

In other words, Chinese tariffs - Good; USA tariffs - Bad. China doesn't need to talk about Canada becoming a colony. They've done a good job using its diaspora to infiltrate Canada through election interference, transnational repression, social media influence, access to senior politicians, etc.

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by Ozabald

In other words, Chinese tariffs - Good; USA tariffs - Bad. China doesn't need to talk about Canada becoming a colony. They've done a good job using its diaspora to infiltrate Canada through election interference, transnational repression, social media influence, access to senior politicians, etc.

Trying to find our free trade agreement with China. Trying to find how we are their strongest ally and customer. Right - we aren't and have been in an active trade war with them to be aligned with America.

I know this doesn't fit the Conservative / Pierre / Danielle narrative... Canada did not win yesterday although they would like us to believe that.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Ozabald

In other words, Chinese tariffs - Good; USA tariffs - Bad. China doesn't need to talk about Canada becoming a colony. They've done a good job using its diaspora to infiltrate Canada through election interference, transnational repression, social media influence, access to senior politicians, etc.

Yes, China has tried and failed at all of that.

Under Harper they signed some deal that lead to closer collaboration. Including having the Chinese military on Canadian soil. Thankfully the Liberals killed that.

Over the past number of years China has tried to manipulate Canada to let one of its corporate executive out of jail. That failed.

While careful monitoring of China is needed. Its not clear they are the greatest threat we face.

[O-tacular]

I finally realized what Stormy Danielle and all the AB/Sask conservatives sound like when they’re braying on and on about pipelines and transfer payments:

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

Which is why he met with Macron and Starmer before even speaking to Donald Trump? Also explains why he paused the purchase of F-35’s.

Meanwhile the cpc cheerleader Stormy Danielle does podcasts with Ben Shapiro and Breitbart seeking election interference and saying PP is in sync with Trump.

Makes perfect sense.



I like how the only national identity or pride for you (and many Albertans including our traitorous and delusional Premier) is fucking oil in the ground. That’s your only value and identity.

Please don’t even try to label me -and what my values and identity are. You have zero idea.

The primary industry of my province… Oil AND gas…. Of fucking COURSE it’s incredibly important to me! It’s the industry that pays my bills, feeds my mouths, WTF is your problem for questions it’s importance to me?!

It’s what drives this fucking province, what makes it so desirable, god forbid I take pride in that!?

It’s like the only national identity or pride for you to completely bash the industry, and bash those politicians that support it!

Like, why the fuck is southern Ontario auto industry so up in arms with these tariffs, who cares if it affects their working lives, is that their identity!

Then we get a federal government who STILL insists on handicapping the industry during the worst trade war in history!! How the F does that make sense to you?!

Please tell me, I am challenging you, to convince me, how it makes sense for the federal government to co tiune to support a bill that significantly handicaps to prohibits the development of nation building infrastructure projects.

Jesus what is wrong with you.

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

I finally realized what Stormy Danielle and all the AB/Sask conservatives sound like when they’re braying on and on about pipelines and transfer payments:

Another loser post that adds no value.

You sink to levels far below than those who you try to bash.

Your insanely childish name calling.. Stormy Danielle… really?!… surely there’s a little children’s forum you can play around in while real debate and discussion can be had amongst adults in this one… run away now.

Or keep it up… keep reminding me of how immature you are when you go off the rails about how dysfunctional this province is.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

Please don’t even try to label me -and what my values and identity are. You have zero idea.

The primary industry of my province… Oil AND gas…. Of fucking COURSE it’s incredibly important to me! It’s the industry that pays my bills, feeds my mouths, WTF is your problem for questions it’s importance to me?!

It’s what drives this fucking province, what makes it so desirable, god forbid I take pride in that!?

It’s like the only national identity or pride for you to completely bash the industry, and bash those politicians that support it!

Like, why the fuck is southern Ontario auto industry so up in arms with these tariffs, who cares if it affects their working lives, is that their identity!

Then we get a federal government who STILL insists on handicapping the industry during the worst trade war in history!! How the F does that make sense to you?!

Please tell me, I am challenging you, to convince me, how it makes sense for the federal government to co tiune to support a bill that significantly handicaps to prohibits the development of nation building infrastructure projects.

Jesus what is wrong with you.

Desirable? oh is that why so many Albertans retire to BC?

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Desirable? oh is that why so many Albertans retire to BC?

Sorry my mistake, I don’t why I would claim that.

Alberta's population surged by record-setting 202,000 people. Here's where they all came from


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/a...0migrants,a%20net%20gain%20of%2015%2C250.

Maybe it’s just a bunch of lunatics that make their way west? I dunno.

I wonder if the retirement has to do with warmer weather? Not sure, you should go find out.

[Taeolas]

Originally Posted by Ozabald

In other words, Chinese tariffs - Good; USA tariffs - Bad. China doesn't need to talk about Canada becoming a colony. They've done a good job using its diaspora to infiltrate Canada through election interference, transnational repression, social media influence, access to senior politicians, etc.

More like Chinese Tariffs == the flu; something you get regularly, can try to inoculate against, and annoying when they happen, but mostly accounted for and controllable.

American Tariffs == COVID. A Global pandemic that came out of nowhere, is hard to handle and protect against, and extremely disruptive.

If you are unlucky enough to get the Flu and COVID at the same time, well, you're probably screwed, but most of your attention is going to be spent trying to cope with COVID while you let your normal patterns handle the flu and hope it doesn't also blow up too bad in the meanwhile.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

Then we get a federal government who STILL insists on handicapping the industry during the worst trade war in history!! How the F does that make sense to you?!

Given that AB is exporting more oil than at any point in its history, it's kinda hard to see this supposed "handicapping". And personally, I don't think you'll see oil exports go down at any point this decade, regardless of who is in charge federally. I also don't think a Conservative government will be able to ignore the Constitution and ram through pipelines through other provinces. So I guess the question is which government you believe will be able to win over other provinces enough for you guys to grow even more.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Danielle Smith is a stupid treasonous bitch. Why anyone takes what she says is mystifying. Plastic straws?! What a moron.

She only cares about plastic straws cause a new plastic plant was built near Edmonton. Plus plastic mostly comes from oil.

She is vile. Just like her partner Mr. Wonderful and their Cheetoh god.

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

Please don’t even try to label me -and what my values and identity are. You have zero idea.

The primary industry of my province… Oil AND gas…. Of fucking COURSE it’s incredibly important to me! It’s the industry that pays my bills, feeds my mouths, WTF is your problem for questions it’s importance to me?!

It’s what drives this fucking province, what makes it so desirable, god forbid I take pride in that!?

It’s like the only national identity or pride for you to completely bash the industry, and bash those politicians that support it!

Like, why the fuck is southern Ontario auto industry so up in arms with these tariffs, who cares if it affects their working lives, is that their identity!

Then we get a federal government who STILL insists on handicapping the industry during the worst trade war in history!! How the F does that make sense to you?!

Please tell me, I am challenging you, to convince me, how it makes sense for the federal government to co tiune to support a bill that significantly handicaps to prohibits the development of nation building infrastructure projects.

Jesus what is wrong with you.

If autoworkers complained and moaned and Doug Ford went on and on and threatened Canada I'm pretty sure Albertans would tell him to shut it.

Albertans oil unfortantely for the most part other than Canada and the US no one else wants - that is a big problem. Other markets have no capacity to refine it and if we refined it we wouldn't be able to sell it because it would be priced out. The Americans already own lik 70% of the oil sands - you think they'll just let us trade it with China. Those are facts.

Also tired of the narrative that the rest of Canada does nothing for Alberta and that the Liberals are so bad. Since Harper left office - oil production UP by 29% - miracle of miracles... and oh you're welcome.

Record high crude oil production largely driven by oil sands: Crude oil year in review 2023
https://www.statcan.gc.ca/o1/en/plus/578...ven-oil-sands-crude-oil-year-review-2023

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Desirable? oh is that why so many Albertans retire to BC?

Weather is the number one reason most people retire in bc…. Do you know how shitty it is trying to navigate ice literally everywhere when you’re disabled or using a walker.

Breaking a hip can be deadly.

I have been dealing with lower back issues and the ice everywhere is hell.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

Another loser post that adds no value.

You sink to levels far below than those who you try to bash.

Your insanely childish name calling.. Stormy Danielle… really?!… surely there’s a little children’s forum you can play around in while real debate and discussion can be had amongst adults in this one… run away now.

Or keep it up… keep reminding me of how immature you are when you go off the rails about how dysfunctional this province is.

I am so goddamned tired of hearing conservatives whine about pipelines and eastern Canadians and deny the reality of anthropogenic climate change. It’s nauseating and just plain tiring. All it does is piss off the rest of the country. We’re the richest fucking province with the biggest fucking cry babies.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Weather is the number one reason most people retire in bc…. Do you know how shitty it is trying to navigate ice literally everywhere when you’re disabled or using a walker.

Breaking a hip can be deadly.

I have been dealing with lower back issues and the ice everywhere is hell.

You’d hate it in Calgary. Just got another dump of snow after the one yesterday melted then re-froze under the snow.