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No. Words have meanings and those meanings matter. A public vote on funding for a multiuse arena is not political in any way. Politics play no bearing in this vote. It’s a civic vote and yes, there is a descending side who don’t want to fund a new arena but that side is a minority, and my point has always been this will pass with ease and any news article tying to drum up contention is only doing so for clicks.
Saying an arena vote is not political is ridiculous. It is incredibly political, with many different groups jockeying for their vision of how public money should be spent/not spent.

Approval is not guaranteed. There are several vocal and powerful groups mobilizing opposition. Don't underestimate the bad taste people have because they were promised (foolishly) that the current arena would transform the east side.
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I’ve stated my opinion that this isn’t a political vote. I will leave it there. Back to the topic of the actual proposal.
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This article is about baseball stadiums, but it's apropos nonetheless.

What A's, Rays moving to minor league ballparks means for MLB

Jeff Passan
Mar 6, 2025, 07:00 AM ET

THE SLOW, PROTRACTED death of the Oakland A's played out over two decades, offering a fresh blueprint of how to torpedo a professional sports franchise. The slow, protracted march of the Tampa Bay Rays toward a similar outcome is playing out in real time. And both serve as warnings to the rest of the sport that when it comes to the pursuit of new stadiums, major league dreams can end up in minor league parks. ... (Story continues at the link.)

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‘Everyone wants a piece of Project Marvel’: Developers swarm city’s first info session
by Lindsey Carnett and Andrea Drusch
San Antonio Report

While city and county leaders are still exploring whether they can even come to an agreement to pursue Project Marvel, potential builders from across the country are already eager to get a piece of it.

On Thursday more than 240 contractors, architects and landscapers packed the Mexican Cultural Institute auditorium for the first vendor information session about the expansive downtown redevelopment plan — put on by the city and the American Institute of Architects (AIA).

“You guys are killing me, you really are,” Assistant City Manager Lori Houston joked to the crowd. “I’m getting requests daily — and early on, I was trying to be able to make those requests happen, but then it just got to be too much.”

The overwhelming demand for information from the local development community comes as city and county officials only recently signed off on a plan to allow their leaders to negotiate a deal on the potential project.

Significant differences of opinion still exist on major components, such as how the far the county’s money might be stretched between various projects, and whether the city should gift the county an East Side golf course to be redeveloped into housing.

Nevertheless, at Thursday’s meeting city officials encouraged potential builders and architects to get signed into their system to receive updates about participating as a vendor. Following the session, attendees were offered to take a photo of a presented map to then go on a self-guided tour around Hemisfair.

Houston also announced the city and county will soon launch a search for an executive project manager to oversee Project Marvel in the coming months.

During the hour-long session, Houston laid out the city’s perspective on what the project will include: A new roughly $1.5 billion downtown arena for the San Antonio Spurs basketball team, plus several surrounding developments to create a new downtown entertainment district — including a land bridge over Interstate 37, a renovated convention center, a new live entertainment venue and a new hotel.

In total, there are eight proposed projects under the scope of Project Marvel, which would ideally be paid for with existing tax dollars, private funds and federal or state funds, Houston said.

“When you look at any one of those anchor projects that are in there, if we were just trying to do one of those, that would be difficult,” San Antonio’s Chief Financial Officer Ben Gorzell told the City Council ahead of its vote on the tentative agreement last month. “We’re going to try to do several at the same time.”

Torrey Stanley Carleton, executive director of the San Antonio Chapter of The American Institute of Architects, said the prospect of working on such a massive project has drawn interest from developers, architects and contractors all over Texas, and even a few from out of state including Oklahoma and New Mexico.

“I’ve been in my role here for 32 years, and this is the biggest project I’ve seen,” she said.

Pivotal moment for downtown

To the design and construction community, the appeal of getting in on Project Marvel is obvious, said local architect Javier Paredes, founding principal of StudioMassivo, who was present at the meeting Thursday.

With parallel projects on the horizon, such as VIA Rapid lines and the expansion of UTSA’s Downtown Campus, San Antonio is at a pivotal moment in time to reimagine the heart of the city.

“This is why the local perspective will be so powerful, and why many in the design community want to engage in painting what I call a ‘cultural future’ for San Antonio,” Paredes said.

“Everyone wants a piece of Project Marvel, both creatively and/or economically,” he added. “It’s local firms playing musical chairs with national consultants to assemble a winning team.”

Developers interested in partnering with the city and county on Project Marvel can register within the city’s e-procurement system online to submit a bid or proposal for city solicitations, said Erika Ragsdale, the city’s redevelopment manager. Exactly which types of builders, architects and contractors the city will utilize remains to be seen.

Ragsdale encouraged all construction-adjacent firms interested in receiving more information, especially about when the requests for proposals go out, should register in the city’s e-procurement system now.

“That will allow you to do business with the city, and to submit future proposals, so that’s the first step,” she said.

How will Project Marvel be funded?

During the meeting, Houston emphasized that the majority of the proposed projects would rely on private funding or other sources that won’t require a new voter-approved funding source.

Houston acknowledged there may be a bond election connected to the project, but clarified it wouldn’t be for a Spurs arena itself — rather it would be for infrastructure improvements like roads, utilities and parking areas surrounding the arena.

“We can say that there is not going to be a bond referendum or anything like that to pay for this Spurs arena,” she said. “We’re doing more light public engagement [right now — a] more robust public engagement will start once we figure out the funding scenarios for this large project.”

Attendees were given maps for a self-guided tour of the Hemisfair area and project location. She added that the county is exploring the use of venue tax dollars for the Spurs arena, but other funding sources are also being considered.

It’s unclear whether voters will go along with plans to use public funding on a project they currently know little about.

Gathering public input is still on the city’s to-do list, and as of last month, polling from UTSA’s Center for Public Opinion Research suggested voters are split on their support for the project.

Houston said the project manager position will likely be open for applications in May or June, aimed at helping “keep everything moving in one direction” between the city, county and Spurs’ ownership.

The next information session on Project Marvel for the local development community will be April 11 and will be held virtually, said Janis Ploetz, executive director of the Urban Land Institute (ULI) San Antonio.

“It’s going to be exciting to watch this world-class district come together and serve our community for generations to come,” she said.

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I'll say this much: whenever there is another general public input session probably at City Hall or maybe the Henry B. or the Tobin Center (if they need a venue for a lot of people), it'll be interesting to see who shows up and voices displeasure or outright dismissal of this whole thing. I saw this poster yesterday, not sure what group they are...but they exist.

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Feds put tower tied to Project Marvel site up for grabs
One of the architects behind the reimagination of Hemisfair says it's critical the city secure the building.

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The fate of a federal office tower in the heart of San Antonio’s planned sports and entertainment district is now uncertain, as the U.S. General Services Administration has identified the property for accelerated disposition.

The 163,000-square-foot structure is in Hemisfair’s southeastern quadrant, next to where the city has proposed constructing a newbillion-dollar arena for the San Antonio Spurs as part of a larger sports and entertainment district plan dubbed Project Marvel.

As the GSA seeks to shrink its federal real estate portfolio, it is expediting efforts to move select properties, including the San Antonio tower built decades ago. Interested parties have been invited to submit non-binding term sheets for the available real estate.

Hemisfair Park Area Redevelopment Corp. had previously explored opportunities to redevelop the tower site into a mixed-use development that would include new residential space. Plans for the area have shifted since the city unveiled its Project Marvel plan.

HPARC CEO Andres Andujar, who confirmed in February that he plans to retire on April 1, says the City of San Antonio should secure the site to protect its future use.

“It's pretty critical that they take control,” Andujar told me. “If at the end they don't need it, then they can put it out for bids. You'll have all sorts of developers that would be interested.”

The city is interested in striking a deal for the tower.

"It's a priority," City Manager Erik Walsh told me.

GSA officials noted with the accelerated disposition listing a commitment to potentially partnering with a variety of interested stakeholders, including local jurisdictions, homeless assistance providers and the historic preservation community.

“They want to know who, if anyone, is interested in the building,” said San Antonio Assistant City Manager Lori Houston, who has played a key role in helping craft a downtown sports and entertainment district strategy. “The city continues to work with GSA on the acquisition of the building.”

The office structure is adjacent to Hemisfair’s Tower Park, next to a former federal courthouse, which city officials want to repurpose as a new event venue. The office tower and multiple parking lots tied to it have been earmarked for potential mixed-use development as part of the Project Marvel proposal municipal leaders rolled out late last year.

“It's a good building. It's a solid structure. It's not beloved necessarily because of its institutional or federalist design of the 1970s,” Andujar said. But he noted its future use could spur additional area reinvestment.

“The first priority is for the city to take it,” Andujar said.
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I assume the "tower" they're talking about is the seven-story Social Security Administration building?

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I assume the "tower" they're talking about is the seven-story Social Security Administration building?

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Yeah, since the Courthouse is already locked down and the Judicial Training building that I believe also cannot be demolished because it is 'historic'.

Here's what Civic/Tower Park will look like this weekend for the Final Four. Makes the mind whir with imagination for Project Marvel. Go Houston Cougars!


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Preservationists sue to halt razing of Institute of Texan Cultures



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The Conservation Society of San Antonio entered its latest salvo on Wednesday morning in its years-long fight to halt demolition of the UTSA Institute of Texan Cultures.

The 100-year-old preservation group filed for a restraining order and temporary injunction, asking a judge to stop the work already in progress to dismantle the 1968 world’s fair building.

The suit argues that UTSA and the City of San Antonio have begun demolition without following the requirements of the Texas Antiquities Code and the National Historic Preservation Act.

The suit names the University of Texas at San Antonio, owners of the building, and the City of San Antonio as defendants.

Speaking at the Bexar County Courthouse, about a mile from Hemisfair where work crews appear to be on site, Conservation Society President Lewis Vetter said the group has been fighting for the building for over a decade.

Last year, the group was successful in adding the former Texas Pavilion to the National Register of Historic Places, which UTSA had opposed, and obtaining a State Antiquities Landmark designation.

uilt as the Texas Pavilion to showcase the state’s cultures for the fair, the three-story rectangular building designed by Caudill, Rowlett & Scott is an example of the Brutalist architectural style popular after World War II.

The Texas Legislature allocated, through two bills, a total of $10 million to build the Texas Pavilion.

“This building has huge significance in the city’s history, beginning with HemisFair ‘68 and continuing as the Institute of Texan Cultures and the Folklife Festival for over half a century,” Vetter said. “It’s the only downtown landmark designed by a Mexican American architect.”

But while a listing on the National Register makes any redevelopment of the building eligible for historic tax credits, there are no restrictions on what a non-federal owner can do with the property, including demolition.

Deed records show the city transferred ownership of the building to the University of Texas System in 1967 with a use restriction that required the university to provide attractions for visitors to the city and state. UTSA took over administrative control of the building in 1973.

After a five-decade run, UTSA closed the museum nearly a year ago, moving its exhibits and collections into storage as it prepares to open a temporary museum at Frost Tower ahead of establishing a permanent home, likely near the Alamo.

The Texas Historical Commission issued a demolition permit late last year and a contractor appears to be working at the site, which is now barely visible through construction fencing.

UTSA spokesman Joe Izbrand said demolition has not begun. “There is some abatement work currently underway and once that’s done we’ll have a better sense of [the] timeline for next steps,” he said.

As for the lawsuit, Izbrand said it is UTSA’s policy not to comment on pending litigation.

“Our efforts to redevelop the Texas Pavilion property have been and will continue to be in compliance with applicable laws and regulations,” he said.

The 180,000-square-foot building is situated on property identified as key to the city’s plans for a sports and entertainment district anchored by a proposed new Spurs basketball arena.

The Conservation Society contends that the structure could be repurposed to support that goal. But also charges that UTSA is “acting as a proxy for the city,” to get the building torn down, Vetter said. “That’s obviously their plan in Project Marvel.”

A special provision in the State Historic Preservation Act allows UTSA to do what it wants with the building, he said. “The city or anyone else that was working on that building would not have that loophole.”

Citing Section 106 of the National Historic Preservation Act, which regulates the use and protection of historic structures, Vetter also said he doesn’t think the city is aware that it’s skipping some federally required reviews prior to demolition.

City spokesman Brian Chasnoff said that the Conservation Society did not provide a copy of the suit before filing, and issued a statement from the City Attorney’s office:

“We continue to work with UTSA on the acquisition of the property and fully support UTSA’s efforts to find an appropriate location for the Institute of Texan Cultures given the cultural and historical significance of the collection.”

Vetter said the group filed the petition to pause the project before it’s completely razed, leaving the land vacant until something can be built there.

A pause would allow time for the city and UTSA to get more community input on the building’s future, he said.

It would also prevent any further and irreversible deconstruction of a historic building.

“I’d hate to see us have, again, something that we had the opportunity to talk about, learn about, and then say, well, that was six months ago — it’s too late,” he said.
In the Express News the President of the Conservation Society mentions the ITC could become a "practice stadium for the Spurs"...yeah, okay. It could also become the world's biggest churro maker. Why would it become a practice stadium and not...the stadium? Also, the Spurs already have one!
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In another article the President of the Conservation Society mentions the ITC could become a "practice stadium for the Spurs"...yeah, okay. It could also become the world's biggest churro maker. Why would it become a practice stadium and not...the stadium? Also, the Spurs already have one!
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Won't be halted. UTSA owns the building out right and they are following compliance with the demo. If anything the judge should throw out the lawsuit. This was their last effort to throw the wrench. Won't work. May be halted for a couple of weeks, but UTSA is following the "rules"!
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These people are just old and sad. Projecting their own soon to be mortality.
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These people are just old and sad. Projecting their own soon to be mortality.
And yet we make them a lot of money by buying tickets and attending NIOSA! They are anti growth.
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These people are just old and sad. Projecting their own soon to be mortality.
Have you tried using an AI keyboard? It can help refine messages so they come across in a more polished and thoughtful way….

This building will be gone.
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I'm a Spurs fan, and I do believe in preserving great old buildings. But this is not a great building. It is definitely a proper form of Brutalism, but it's not great. The museum is even terrible. I was there on a class field trip in 4th(?) grade and it was the most boring museum I've ever visited. Aside from the subject matter, the displays were terrible. I understand these people's feelings, but I disagree with saving this building. It's ugly (IMO) and takes up a lot of space that could be used by tens of thousands of people at a time, instead of tens of people at a time.
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The Spurs belong downtown, more specifically at Hemisfair.



The ITC was actually my favorite museum and I always recommended it to tourists, but it's time to move on. Embrace a new building! If it matters so much architecturally, look up the blueprints to the ITC and build an exact replica right behind the Alamo. That honestly wouldn't be that bad of a design with the flags of all nations and the water fountains facing Houston Street. You also have the Fire Museum across the road which is pretty neat.
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This building will be gone.
Nothing I wrote needs to be polished and refined. What I said was clear.
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Nothing I wrote needs to be polished and refined. What I said was clear.
I mean, you chose to turn a difference of opinion over the value of a building into a personal attack.
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I mean, you chose to turn a difference of opinion over the value of a building into a personal attack.
An attack? Are they not old?

Check.

Their actions are sad.

Check.

I’m not attacking anyone.

With that said. Let’s get back on topic.
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