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Old Posted Mar 27, 2025, 11:43 PM
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2025, 4:09 AM
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According to this CBS piece many Europeans are looking at replacing travel to the USA with travel to Canada. Our tourism marketing organizations should be leveraging this and running some major ad campaigns to encourage it.

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I think this is among the best, if not the best tourism commercials I've seen in my lifetime. I truly miss seeing this commercial on TV. Run it across Europe dubbed in Icelandic, Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish, German, French, and really every European language it could be marketed towards... I think many people across Europe are interested in the vikings.

I don't know if it was originally shot on film or digital... film would be better if the original film was preserved, as I believe it predates the HD era. Even if original HD masters don't exist, it's still a near perfect commercial that can be updated to HD to be run online and on European television.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2025, 4:17 AM
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New Brunswick, "The Picture Province" needs a new air travel and tourism strategy

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Our tourism marketing organizations should be leveraging this and running some major ad campaigns to encourage it.

https://youtu.be/gl-WRu9POho?feature=shared
New Brunswick has some of the worst tourism marketing among provinces in the Maritimes, and has three airports that require a lot more investment. Our tourism commercials are not that interesting or captivating. There's a lot of room for improvement, but thankfully we've had a change in government, so hopefully the Holt government will fundamentally improve the Picture Province's approach to tourism, and be willing to invest in the solutions that are needed to make it happen. NB doesn't just need a better marketing approach, it needs better tourism and transportation infrastructure... and especially needs better flight options.


Under the Higgs government, NB wasted a lot of effort and resources on aimless, fruitless, and lavish trips to Europe by our tourism minister and his very unpopular, nepotistic pick for deputy tourism minister. It's insane to me that the Higgs government spent all that money on trips to Europe without a single transatlantic route to New Brunswick to show for it.

New Brunswick is one of the most scenic provinces in Canada, and Francophone New Brunswick could be an especially interesting option for French speaking europeans looking to visit French Canada and Atlantic Canada in the same trip.

New Brunswick not only need a better tourism marketing strategy, it needs to get aggressive about getting some direct-transatlantic routes, even if that means spending money to subsidize flights. There's multiple transatlantic routes that could work for Moncton on a regular basis, as well as room for semi frequent/ seasonal flights between Fredericton and Europe & Saint John and Europe, and there's many flights. There's also a need for more routes between NB airports and larger Canadian airports, routes which also deserve subsidization to make travel to and from Atlantic Canada more accessible and affordable.




It would be interesting to see NB have connections to some less gargantuan European locations, like the ones on this map, or other places in the south of France, Spain, Portugal and elsewhere in Europe. Flights between the Maritimes and Europe are pretty comparable in distance to current flights operating between the Maritimes and Western Canada. I'm sure a lot of maritimers would also like to take European vacations instead of American vacations... the market exists both ways.


Lastly, the Maritime provinces need to invest in more far more affordable, far more accessible train and bus options. The lack of these options is both an issue for interprovincial tourism, but also international tourism. The VIA "Ocean" train line is expensive and inconveniently scheduled, and there's no longer a bus route operating between the Maritimes and Montreal. I think many europeans would be happy to fly into Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, or PEI, and then take a train or bus onwards to Montreal, Toronto, or wherever. There should be far more synergy between flights into the maritimes and bus/train routes onwards to Central Canada. Trains are very expensive, I get that, but not having better bus service between Atlantic Canada and Central Canada is pretty inexcusable!

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New Brunswick has some of the worst tourism marketing among provinces in the Maritimes, and has three airports that require a lot more investment. Our tourism commercials are not that interesting or captivating. There's a lot of room for improvement, but thankfully we've had a change in government, so hopefully the Holt government will fundamentally improve the Picture Province's approach to tourism, and be willing to invest in the solutions that are needed to make it happen. NB doesn't just need a better marketing approach, it needs better tourism and transportation infrastructure... and especially needs better flight options.


Under the Higgs government, NB wasted a lot of effort and resources on aimless, fruitless, and lavish trips to Europe by our tourism minister and his very unpopular, nepotistic pick for deputy tourism minister. It's insane to me that the Higgs government spent all that money on trips to Europe without a single transatlantic route to New Brunswick to show for it.

New Brunswick is one of the most scenic provinces in Canada, and Francophone New Brunswick could be an especially interesting option for French speaking europeans looking to visit French Canada and Atlantic Canada in the same trip.

New Brunswick not only need a better tourism marketing strategy, it needs to get aggressive about getting some direct-transatlantic routes, even if that means spending money to subsidize flights. There's multiple transatlantic routes that could work for Moncton on a regular basis, as well as room for semi frequent/ seasonal flights between Fredericton and Europe & Saint John and Europe, and there's many flights. There's also a need for more routes between NB airports and larger Canadian airports, routes which also deserve subsidization to make travel to and from Atlantic Canada more accessible and affordable.




It would be interesting to see NB have connections to some less gargantuan European locations, like the ones on this map, or other places in the south of France, Spain, Portugal and elsewhere in Europe. Flights between the Maritimes and Europe are pretty comparable in distance to current flights operating between the Maritimes and Western Canada. I'm sure a lot of maritimers would also like to take European vacations instead of American vacations... the market exists both ways.


Lastly, the Maritime provinces need to invest in more far more affordable, far more accessible train and bus options. The lack of these options is both an issue for interprovincial tourism, but also international tourism. The VIA "Ocean" train line is expensive and inconveniently scheduled, and there's no longer a bus route operating between the Maritimes and Montreal. I think many europeans would be happy to fly into Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, or PEI, and then take a train or bus onwards to Montreal, Toronto, or wherever. There should be far more synergy between flights into the maritimes and bus/train routes onwards to Central Canada. Trains are very expensive, I get that, but not having better bus service between Atlantic Canada and Central Canada is pretty inexcusable!
The multiple award winning Newfoundland tourism ad campaign was developed and produced by Target Marketing of St. John's.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2025, 4:16 PM
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I think this is among the best, if not the best tourism commercials I've seen in my lifetime. I truly miss seeing this commercial on TV. Run it across Europe dubbed in Icelandic, Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish, German, French, and really every European language it could be marketed towards... I think many people across Europe are interested in the vikings.

I don't know if it was originally shot on film or digital... film would be better if the original film was preserved, as I believe it predates the HD era. Even if original HD masters don't exist, it's still a near perfect commercial that can be updated to HD to be run online and on European television.
Yes, those were brilliant. Some of the best tourism ads I've seen.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2025, 6:50 PM
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Not surprisingly, a big drop in flights to the US. Down 70% y/y

Passenger bookings on Canada – US routes are currently down by 70% compared to the same period last year.

We didn't really get the true measure in January or February as many of those trips were already planned and paid for. We're going to really see the rubber hit the road now.
I'm not the least bit surprised. Everyone I know has ditched any plans for upcoming trips to the US, and many are cancelling existing plans. Some are going through with their plans because it's too late or too costly, but the lack of new trips planned is going to hit hard.

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70%!!!

This should mean a significant route contraction as the year progresses. Maybe we'll see more European flights from Atlantic Canada as the major airlines move their equipment around (and improved connectivity to Montreal, Ottawa and Toronto from secondary Atlantic Canadian airports). Rumour is that Atlantic Canada may experience a banner tourism year from Canadians (and Europeans) visiting here rather than the US.
I wouldn't be surprised to see more added to YHZ, and who knows maybe Moncton. There will be a few 737s to spare and can be used to reach some more Euro destinations.
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Even NB could make some transatlantic flights work. If Saskatoon<->Cancun and Moncton <->Cancun flights already exist, I think a Moncton<->Morocco flight could also work, considering the Francophone demographic and it being an interesting tourism option for New Brunswick travellers, especially French speakers, and the many newcomers to New Brunswick from Françafrique.
No numbers to back it up, but YXE-CUN is probably a much larger market than YQM-CMN. Coupled with the fact that it's a much shorter route, means one isn't comparable to the other.

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Looks like CA is moving 2 weekly YVR-PEK to YYZ effective May 20

The plan for S25:

CA991/2 YVR-PEK 1x weekly
CA993/4 YYZ-PEK 2x weekly
CA997/8 YVR-PEK 1x weekly

Looks like there will be no immediate or future plan to resume YUL-PEK.
Doesn't surprise me, with only 4x weekly flights. YUL will regain PEK only if:

a. AC decides to give it a go, which is highly unlikely.
b. CA regains all of its pre-COVID rights to Canada.

Even if b happens, CA might still decide to only use them on more YVR and YYZ.

With Canada-US relations in the gutter, it would have been nice to get closer to China, and at the very least, resume pre-COVID bilateral rights. Sadly, the Canada-China relation isn't getting any better. This doesn't help matters.

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No numbers to back it up, but YXE-CUN is probably a much larger market than YQM-CMN. Coupled with the fact that it's a much shorter route, means one isn't comparable to the other.



Doesn't surprise me, with only 4x weekly flights. YUL will regain PEK only if:

a. AC decides to give it a go, which is highly unlikely.
b. CA regains all of its pre-COVID rights to Canada.

Even if b happens, CA might still decide to only use them on more YVR and YYZ.

With Canada-US relations in the gutter, it would have been nice to get closer to China, and at the very least, resume pre-COVID bilateral rights. Sadly, the Canada-China relation isn't getting any better. This doesn't help matters.
Have to disagree. Less China is still the correct path. Any enhancement in relations should only be in the absence of any alternative.
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All I'm saying is, it would be nice if we would be on good terms with at least 1 of the 3 largest economies in the world (in terms GDP based on PPP).

Canada needs to learn to practice realpolitik once in a while.

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All I'm saying is, it would be nice is we would be on good terms with at least 1 of the 3 largest economies in the world (in terms GDP based on PPP).

Canada needs to learn to practice realpolitik once in a while.
And in China's case, realpolitik means engagement only when it furthers explicit Canadian interests.
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Yeah, as upset as we are at the US, China is not really better. The US is rapidly sliding into authoritarianism while China has been there for decades. China just doesn't get a lot of open criticism currently because we're used to them being how they be so there's not much new to say. And we don't care as much since they're so far away and at this point still smaller than the US economically. Plus, while their tactics aren't very nice, they're at least mostly rational. Currently the US is a very unfortunate combination of nasty and nutty. They're hurting themselves as much as anyone else which is just stupid.
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All I'm saying is, it would be nice if we would be on good terms with at least 1 of the 3 largest economies in the world (in terms GDP based on PPP).

Canada needs to learn to practice realpolitik once in a while.
Definitely, even Europe (compared to Canada that is) has correct relations with China. Aviation-wise, all it takes is to compare the number of Europe-China flights with the number of Canada-China flights.

We can't be on bad terms with every economically relevant country in the world, economic diversification is crucial because becoming dependent on Europe is not a solution either (I truly hope that is not the path we're taking). Now that we're free to stop copying the Americans in our foreign policies we should at least work to bring relations with China up to a neutral level.

When it comes to aviation increasing the bilateral agreement should be on the table. Quebec not having a direct flight to the economy that is China is criminal honestly.
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Definitely, even Europe (compared to Canada that is) has correct relations with China. Aviation-wise, all it takes is to compare the number of Europe-China flights with the number of Canada-China flights.

We can't be on bad terms with every economically relevant country in the world, economic diversification is crucial because becoming dependent on Europe is not a solution either (I truly hope that is not the path we're taking). Now that we're free to stop copying the Americans in our foreign policies we should at least work to bring relations with China up to a neutral level.

When it comes to aviation increasing the bilateral agreement should be on the table. Quebec not having a direct flight to the economy that is China is criminal honestly.
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Yeah, as upset as we are at the US, China is not really better. The US is rapidly sliding into authoritarianism while China has been there for decades. China just doesn't get a lot of open criticism currently because we're used to them being how they be so there's not much new to say. And we don't care as much since they're so far away and at this point still smaller than the US economically. Plus, while their tactics aren't very nice, they're at least mostly rational. Currently the US is a very unfortunate combination of nasty and nutty. They're hurting themselves as much as anyone else which is just stupid.
I agree that we shouldn't be promoting Chinese ideologies or government but China has one thing that the US doesn't at the moment: stability. They are promoting themselves all over the world currently as a country that will do what they say and be a reliable trading partner. That said, they just executed a few Canadians for questionable reasons so maybe we should be looking elsewhere for that stability going forward...
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In many way yes, but, the only way to build national wealth is through a national income (international trade through exports).

Build self sufficiency absolutely, but, we also need diversified trade as well.
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In many way yes, but, the only way to build national wealth is through a national income (international trade through exports).

Build self sufficiency absolutely, but, we also need diversified trade as well.
Ya this recent American obsession with becoming a self-sufficient island is stupid. Between that and their social policies, it is trending towards Gilead.

From an airport perspective, with rapidly changing trade and leisure patterns in Canada airlines need to respond with more and more flights to Europe and Asia. Ottawa sucks for this, of course, but we have our 2 (London and Paris) but at least one more non-US international destination would be nice.
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In many way yes, but, the only way to build national wealth is through a national income (international trade through exports).

Build self sufficiency absolutely, but, we also need diversified trade as well.
No argument from me.
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Couldn't agree more but it seems like the only time Canadians stick together is during the Olympics or some form of Team Canada hockey game. Self-dependence is something frankly that much of Canada does not want based on countless NIMBY citizens across the country and the governments they vote for.
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Today marks the return of YOW-LHR after a slight more than 5 year absence. AC 889 is currently enroute to YOW.

For now the route is returning on a summer seasonal basis 4x/week until the end of October and the equipment used for 2025 is the 789. Likely a future XLR route, at least in the winter months when it eventually returns on a year-round basis and daily in summer.
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Today marks the return of YOW-LHR after a slight more than 5 year absence. AC 889 is currently enroute to YOW.

For now the route is returning on a summer seasonal basis 4x/week until the end of October and the equipment used for 2025 is the 789. Likely a future XLR route, at least in the winter months when it eventually returns on a year-round basis and daily in summer.
Great news.

Back in the 90s when I lived near Ottawa for a time, there was a Air Canada 767 and a Canadian Airlines 767 on a daily basis. They both would leave at about the same, the layout of the old (former terminal) resulted in them basically boarding from the same gate area, it was always crowded. If they could support two 767 back then, I don't see why demand is not there for a 789 four times a week.
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