Canadian Federal Election

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by samne

I get the feeling this is a controlled demolition by Jagmeet. Why else the capitulation to Trudeau for so long then meeting with Carney in Iqaluit days before election.

Jagmeet will be gone with a bunch of nice board appointments waiting for him. He’ll be just fine…

Capitulation to Trudeau? Oh boy. Why do conservatives think everything is a conspiracy.

The NDP had real power for the last four years. It was hardly capitulation. They were in a dream situation.

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

Actually its the Cons election to lose.

After 10 years of Liberal rule - advantage CPC
Change election - advantage CPC
2024 Fundraising (2x Liberals) - advantage CPC
Political experience - advantage CPC
Provincial gov't affiliation / support - should be advantage CPC

The difference is Trump and that the CPC is stuck with the most annoying leader of all time.

My opinion is based off the absolute latest polls.

[samne]

Originally Posted by trueviking

I’d say the provincial governments have been helping the Liberals. Ford turning his back on pierrre and helping to organize that first minister meeting. Smith selling pierre to Trump and throwing him a hand grenade of demands are bad for him.

Ford had his own election and acted accordingly.

All the potential Liberal gains have come directly from the NDP.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by Nite

Here is the audio of Alberta premier Danielle Smith saying that she attempted to influence the US administration to hold off on tariffs to give Pierre Poilievre the best chance at winning the upcoming election... Because he'll align Canada with Trump the most

https://streamable.com/ciqzw2

Why isn’t this a bigger deal? She is orchestrating foreign interference in the Canadian election.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by trueviking

Capitulation to Trudeau? Oh boy. Why do conservatives think everything is a conspiracy.

The NDP had real power for the last four years. It was hardly capitulation. They were in a dream situation.

In retrospect it looks brilliant. They added several social programs and now instead of a lurch to the far right we will get a centrist government. The Conservative party will eat itself again and with a new NDP leader who knows.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by samne

Ford had his own election and acted accordingly.

All the potential Liberal gains have come directly from the NDP.

Ford saying he won’t help Pierre was a headline that got a lot of play. Sitting down with Carney got lots of play. He organized the first minister meeting which was a home run for carney. Ford has helped carney not Pierre.

Cons have dropped 5-6% since the start of this. Libs have also taken a lot from the Bloc.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

As I said earlier, I lived and worked in an industry that relied heavily on the oil and gas industry in Alberta. Most Albertans are good people, and the educated ones strongly disagree with Smith. However, the sad fact is that most rural Albertans do agree, especially in Southern Alberta. It's mainly due to low levels of education, and some towns being dependant on the oil and gas industry.

Having said that, most Canadians are getting sick and tired of Alberta politicians (that receive millions from the Oil and Gas industry) whining about how "unfair" they are treated. It's a bunch of BS, and even most educated Albertans that do not work in the O & G industry agree with. For the UCP to side with the Trump Administration, and give Canada an ultimatum like this, when such an existential threat is looming, is unforgivable.

I predicted she would do this and she is. I would say northern Alberta is actually as or more redneck wexit extremist than the south. It’s like our Alabama and it stretches into northern BC in Fort St. John. All oil and gas dependent. That’s where Take Back Alberta is centered.

I work with people in Red Deer and Medicine Hat who aren’t like that and are sick of Trump and his 51st state bullshit.

[Hecate]

So premiers are not allowed to express who they think would be better leaders for their province and country to a foreign journalist?

[samne]

Now that the election is official. Looking at the Polymarket odds for next Prime Minister.

Carney:56%
Poilievre:44%


https://polymarket.com/event/next-prime-minster-of-canada



Keep in mind Poilievre was at 56% just 10 days ago, so things can change quickly. Carney was at 61% 2 days ago.

This was the most accurate predictor for the US election. Lets see how this holds up for Canada.

[Nite]

Originally Posted by Hecate

So premiers are not allowed to express who they think would be better leaders for their province and country to a foreign journalist?

She was expressing who would be a better leader for Canada for the benefit of the Trump administration and asking Trump officials to pause the tariff talks to help get that leader (PP) elected.

This is much worst than any of the election interface allegation on MPs that we had two inquiries about when it was about China and India

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by Hecate

So premiers are not allowed to express who they think would be better leaders for their province and country to a foreign journalist?

It’s not just her saying she wants PeePee to win. It’s her asking Trump to help him get in by toning down his invasion rhetoric. It’s like when Trump openly invited Russia or China to interfere with his election.

[kwoldtimer]

Just listening to Carney's first stump speech. Not soul-stirring, but not bad at all. Maybe he can do the politician thing.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by Nite

She was expressing who would be a better leader for Canada for the benefit of the Trump administration and asking Trump officials to pause the tariff talks to help get that leader (PP) elected.

This is much worst than any of the election interface allegation on MPs that we had two inquiries about when it was about China and India

Is it though? I’ve listened to it, to label it as election interference is a bit much. She was expressing her opinion on what was currently happening in Canada because of what the trump administration was doing. She also expressed that she believes it would be easier for the Americans to work with a conservative government.

I didnt see her driving a bus full of Chinese students to the candidate elections. lol

You could label it endorsement, but all politicians do this.

Unless she genuinely asked the trump administration to interfere in our election, it’s moot.

Not much different than freeland calling Pierre a maple MAGA on bill Maher

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

It’s not just her saying she wants PeePee to win. It’s her asking Trump to help him get in by toning down his invasion rhetoric. It’s like when Trump openly invited Russia or China to interfere with his election.

She didn’t explicitly ask trump to help him get elected, she explained that his actions were hurting the Conservative Party’s chance of getting elected.

And she’s a premier she has very little influence in the grand scheme.

[Nite]

Originally Posted by Hecate

She didn’t explicitly ask trump to help him get elected, she explained that his actions were hurting the Conservative Party’s chance of getting elected.

And she’s a premier she has very little influence in the grand scheme.

Listen to it again, at 0:24s she admitted she spoke to Trump officials to ask them to pause the tariff talks to help PP get elected.
https://streamable.com/ciqzw2
she admitted to asking a foreign government to influence the Canadian election to get the outcome she hopes for and that it would benefit that foreign government if they followed her advice.

There is also the subtext that she want the tariff paused because it's hurting PP but not because it hurting Canadians.

Found this quote from twitter as well:
"She doesn't realize that the fact "that Pierre would be very much in sync with the new direction in America" is exactly why the polls are favoring the Liberals. Canadians do not want to be the 51st state."

[Architype]

Originally Posted by Hecate

She didn’t explicitly ask trump to help him get elected, she explained that his actions were hurting the Conservative Party’s chance of getting elected.

And she’s a premier she has very little influence in the grand scheme.

^ Well, at least the Conservatives have someone else to blame for their big loss of support.

Liberal support dominates in Vancouver, even if this poll isn't accurate. There may be only one riding won by the NDP.


https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/local...tives-second-ndp-green-election-10417449

[lio45]

Originally Posted by samne

If I were Pierre I’d hammer in the result of Liberals the past 10 years and ask if you want more of this.

Higher house prices

Yep I do!

(I’m not a single-issue voter though, so I might not vote LPC just for that reason alone.)

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by Nite

Listen to it again, at 0:24s she admitted she spoke to Trump officials to ask them to pause the tariff talks to help PP get elected.
https://streamable.com/ciqzw2

she is asking a foreign government to influence the Canadian election to get the outcome she hopes for and that it would benefit that foreign government if they followed her advice.

It’s sketchy, but asking the trump administration to hold off on the tariff bullshit so Canadians can get through and focus on an election, doesn’t scream election interference to me. Desperation maybe lol. But she’s allowed to have her opinion.

And by the time this came out the damage was done. What help would that have been to the conservatives? None, and clearly the trump administration hasn’t listened. They are still going on with the tariffs, The Laura Ingram interview where he continues with the 51st state crap and goes on about trudeau, who is long gone now, just confirms that she had zero impact. Which could suggest that he was being honest when he said the conservatives were no friend of his.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

It’s the Liberals election to lose no question. If they do lose it will be because the massive influx in support from the NDP and BQ have gone back to support those respective parties.

Cons are still sitting at roughly 36%-37% of the popular vote in the polls which is still very strong, and I don’t suspect they will lose much more support, at least in the polls. Cons won popular vote in 2021 with only 34%.

Cons need NDP and BQ to reign their support back in to win.

With the main issue being Trump, the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc are united in their hatred of him. The Conservative Party has over 1/4 of their members that still support Trump, even after everything he has done, with a not-so insignificant percentage being "undecided.".

With Doug Ford wanting nothing to do with Poilievre's campaign, and Danielle Smith siding with America and being Poilievre's biggest cheerleader, it will not happen.

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Is it though? I’ve listened to it, to label it as election interference is a bit much. She was expressing her opinion on what was currently happening in Canada because of what the trump administration was doing. She also expressed that she believes it would be easier for the Americans to work with a conservative government.

I didnt see her driving a bus full of Chinese students to the candidate elections. lol

You could label it endorsement, but all politicians do this.

Unless she genuinely asked the trump administration to interfere in our election, it’s moot.

Not much different than freeland calling Pierre a maple MAGA on bill Maher

What premier in Canadian history has asked the US administration (or any other foreign gov't) to lay low during the election because it was in their best interest for the other guy? It has never happened. She would rather snuggle up with an almost dictator who is threatening Canada and our existence than work with her fellow premiers and the federal government.

She's a boot licker and a disgrace to Canada and Pierre seems just fine with it.