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This might be more realistic than many would like to think.
I can see the Liberals easily winning the election, if PP does not switch gears fast. However, I don't see Trump leaving office anytime soon. There are rallies around America that are increasing in size, but nowhere near the level of other countries in the World.

Did you see the protests in Greenland this weekend at the US Consulate? Nearly 4,000 people turned out, in Nuuk, the largest city in Greenland, with a population of less than 20,000. That was incredible. There are less people at anti-Trump rallies in huge American cities.

The American resistance has to rise up fast, or it may never happen. There is no chance of elections, or at least fair elections as long as Trump is alive. It will take an uprising or death to depose of Trump, period. I would estimate that they need at least 50,000 people at rallies for big American cities for change to occur. The Democrats have proven to be completely impotent, so it will ultimately be up to the people to take Trump down.

I Can't see Doug Ford as Prime Minister. He is obviously better than PP, but reminds me too much of other corrupt Conservative Premiers (mainly Smith and Moe).
     
     
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Liberal win seems very possible. If they do win a Ford leadership in 2027 also seems possible. Protest is never going to bring Trump down agreed. Huge losses in the midterms could do it.
The idea of Ford as PM is too terrible to contemplate.
     
     
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Liberal win seems very possible. If they do win a Ford leadership in 2027 also seems possible. Protest is never going to bring Trump down agreed. Huge losses in the midterms could do it.
Again. Not a chance. This has never happened in US history in a President's final term. Also, again the Dems are currently having very big problems right now with record low support. This was akin to the Liberals before Trump, but the US currently have Trump, so that doesnt work for them.
     
     
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Yeah, Trump is only leaving office in a State Funeral (and however that comes around is fine by me). With all he has done, and the R's having the chance to throw him into the wind in 2021, they didn't, and he got re-elected. No way any of them have the stones to impeach and remove him from office now.
     
     
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Again. Not a chance. This has never happened in US history in a President's final term. Also, again the Dems are currently having very big problems right now with record low support. This was akin to the Liberals before Trump, but the US currently have Trump, so that doesnt work for them.

CNN/SSRS poll

Democratic Party favorability

Unfavorable 54%
Favorable 29%

Republican Party favorability

Unfavorable 48%
Favorable 36%


CNN poll: Who do you think the leader of the Democratic Party is?

AOC: 10%
Kamala Harris: 9%
Bernie Sanders: 8%
Hakeem Jeffries 6%
Barack Obama 4%
Jasmine Crockett 4%
Gavin Newsom 2%
Nancy Pelosi 2%
Elissa Slotkin 2%
Chuck Schumer 2%
Tim Walz 1%

The Democratic party needs to be the party of the people. They need a major overhaul. Get rid of Shumer, Fetterman, etc and replace them with people like AOC, Pete Buttigieg, or a young version of Bernie Sanders.

However, I get the feeling it may be too late, as in a couple of months, I would not at all be surprised that any person in Congress who is critical of Trump, will be looking at prison time the way things are going.
     
     
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338Canada has updated for March 16:

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338Canada🍁federal update | March 16, 2025

--------------majority: 172 seats
🔴LPC 150
🔵CPC 149
⚜️BQ 27
🟠NDP 15
🟢GPC 2

Analysis: https://338canada.ca/p/338-sunday-update-a-stunning-reversalthe
Popular vote: CPC 38%±4, LPC 34%±4, NDP 13%±3, BQ 7%±1, GPC 4%±2, PPC 3%±2




https://338canada.com/federal.htm
     
     
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Democratic Party's favorability hits record lows in two polls after 2024 losses

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The Democratic Party's latest approval ratings hit record lows in a pair of polls on Sunday, coming after a bruising 2024 election for the party in which it lost control of the White House and Senate.

An NBC News poll found 27% of registered voters say they view the party favorably − the lowest favorability rating for Democrats in NBC polls going back to 1990. Only 7% of survey respondents said they said they have a "very positive" view of the party.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...orability-republicans-trump/82471412007/
     
     
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One thing for sure, if CPC doesn’t take down those ads about carbon tax soon, they do ask to lose the election.
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One thing for sure, if CPC doesn’t take down those ads about carbon tax soon, they do ask to lose the election.
He isn't "Just Like Justin" anymore, now he's "Sneaky". Who can take these idiots seriously? Let's get on with the election and put Pierre out to pasture.
     
     
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They may well be, but no party will reveal it's hand until they are in an actual election campaign.
As I said... politics.

Although I question whether allowing the leader to appear as a buffoon - in order to keep their strategies secret - is a good idea.

Time will tell. All will be revealed after the next election...
     
     
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As I said... politics.

Although I question whether allowing the leader to appear as a buffoon - in order to keep their strategies secret - is a good idea.

Time will tell. All will be revealed after the next election...
It’s a good question. PP may indeed have stuff about crime rates and affordability to grill Carney on, but he’s just holding that back right now. That Carney’s scrapped carbon tax may have affirmed PP’s decision to hold those back.

As for whether it’s better to appear as a fool or to not be known at all, that’s a good question. (In other words, is infamy preferable to anonymity?) The answer may depend on the context…
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He isn't "Just Like Justin" anymore, now he's "Sneaky". Who can take these idiots seriously? Let's get on with the election and put Pierre out to pasture.
Carney was saying the carbon tax was divisive and he was going to get rid of it. That action had been projected for weeks. At his first cabinet meeting he did what he said he was going to do.

I think they caught the Conservative off guard. Conservatives were not expecting it to be done by an order-in-council. They were likely expecting it to be a campaign promise and not to be changed until after the election. They are left with the only thing can say is it is "sneaky" and a bunch of out dated marketing.

I think the other thing that is going to be a problem for the conservatives is Carney looks to be putting an emphasis on "respect". He is demanding the US show Canada respect. He is demanding reports say "President Trump" out of respect. I think that signals what the Liberal campaign will be like.

The Conservatives are coming out on day one with childish name calling and presenting their opponent to look like a devil. Maybe that resonates with some of their supports. I can't see it being overly popular with most.
     
     
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Kinda part of their messaging problem. Reminds me of Tim Hudak in Ontario. He got a bit too gleeful about cutting public servants and it contributed to tanking his campaign. The glee with which some conservatives are talking about slashing whole services (CBC, Canada Post, etc) at the same time as the US provides a live demonstration of letting these fantasies run wild, is going to give more than a few period pause. Like, at least pretend it's regretful that you have to kick some public servants to the curb.

Also, again, I'll say, it's not just the politicians. Every PP fan posting and tweeting about how he can't wait for xyz agency to be shuttered or so many public servants to be fired, is a reminder of how much that whole movement lacks compassion. And at a time where a whole lot of Canadians might be facing unemployment thanks to Trump, they want to see some inkling of compassion.
YES!! Exactly like how Tim Hudak was. He and his close supporters got so excited about laying off regular public employees that voters thought again about what the real consequences would be of reduced services in health care and more. I think they were promising to lay off 100,000 people. The big number actually turned people off and made they scared.

PP has been promising huge cuts to English-language CBC. That may not be going over so well in times like today. The CBC is something that proclaims Canada's sovereignty and differences between us and the US and other countries. With Trump turning against us and threatening annexation, the CBC is a good tool to fight those things. Too many of Trump's friends are controlling a lot of the American private media and the Canadian private media could be subject to influence much more easily.
     
     
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So true.

Here is my prediction.

1.Liberals win landslide election.
2.Trump gets thrown out of office amid protests at scales not seen since the civil rights movements taking over American cities, shutting down their economy entirely.
3.In 4 years, another federal election is called, where Doug Ford runs and wins the leadership and the election, forming a new Conservative federal government.
i don't think I would predict any of those three things. I'm still very skeptical about the Liberals winning the upcoming election even though I really don't want PP to win. I've mentioned a lot that it won't be good for the LPC to start the election campaign ahead in the polls.

As for Trump, it sure seems like things in the US could get bad enough that lots of Republicans will want him gone but that doesn't matter to Trump. How bad would it have to get for both houses to actually impeach him? We can always hope that something else happens...

As for Doug Ford, he just isn't suited for federal politics. He doesn't speak French and he would be very weak on a number of federal issues. But there is a very good chance that someone from his cabinet could become the next CPC leader, Caroline Mulroney.
     
     
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With the understanding that the pandemic created difficult, complex situations for everybody involved, and knowing that it's difficult to view anything as a stand-alone situation, off the top of my head it would be these things mostly (and perhaps a few more if I took the time to think about it a little more deeply):

1) Not taking action on the emerging housing crisis that was happening before 2020. It wasn't country-wide at the time, but it was clear and obvious that prices were rising steeply in Vancouver and Toronto, and it appeared (to the layman at least) that foreign investment and money laundering had a hand in it, among other things. Perhaps if this had been identified as a major potential problem and action had been taken, things wouldn't have exploded into the major crisis that we are still dealing with, and perhaps anybody who hadn't been fortunate enough to get into the market pre-2015 wouldn't be shut out of it now.

2) The deep dive into identity politics. There was some good work to be done regarding diversity, inclusivity, indigenous reconcilliation, but what actually happened was over the top and misguided. IMHO. I recall many saying that it felt like we should be embarrassed to be Canadians, but in reality it's that the view through the looking glass was majorly skewed.

3) Post-pandemic recovery that involved the feds dragging their feet, investing heavily into poorly functioning software like ArriveCan, and then flooding our already-suffering population with more newcomers than we could ever deal with, and the fallout on our healthcare systems, and our housing situation. Nobody has ever seen as many tent cities filled with poor homeless people who are out of options and many of whom turned to hard drugs to deal with their hoplessness, and the proliferation of mental health emergencies that resulted from above... exacerbated by the lack of healthcare to help them deal with their crises.

4) Lack of investment in our military, even after Trump 1.0 pointed out that we weren't living up to our NATO committments. Rather than plan for increased investment, money was cut from military budgets.

5) Etc. I could go on, but you get the idea.

Note that none of this happens in a vacuum, and some was likely contiguous from previous governments, but blaming former governments when you've been in power for 10 years is not a valid excuse.

So, while it may seem like I was just parroting social media claptrap, I didn't arrive at my conclusion after listening to somebody's podcast or youtube video, I've lived much of it, or at least watched it happen around me. Having experienced Canada for decades, I can say without hesitation that the previous few years have felt like the worst time in my life to be a Canadian citizen, and I have to put at least part of the blame on the incumbent federal government.
Thanks for the reply. Appreciate it.

I won't argue but I would point out a few things....and I might say that I'm not sure those things can be said to have 'ruined Canada'.

I agree with the virtue signaling and "woke agenda" as they say....in a very cancellable take, I have often wondered if the explosion of encampments has been due in part to the opposition there has been to not allowing it....if you look at the statistics, homeless shelter numbers are not up from before the pandemic....maybe people live in tents because we started to let them...I mean, I would choose that over a shelter, given the choice....anyways...I know that's a take that would get me in trouble if said out loud....i definitely think all levels of government have been delinquent in addressing it....there should be an all hands on deck approach but that hasn't happened.

I also agree with this "the previous few years have felt like the worst time in my life to be a Canadian"....i do think that you could probably say this for most western countries...this is why every single government that presided over the post covid inflationary period has been punted, be they left, right, or centre....it's why the Liberals were 30 points back for two years and the only hope they have is that a new crisis has emerged in time for them.

The three-year increase of immigration was done to stop inflation and fill labour shortages, but I agree....it had unconsidered consequences.

They did spend more on the military than anyone else, and I'm not sure it has ever really been a priority for Canadians. It should be noted that Canada has the 16th largest defence budget in the world...9th out of 32 in NATO.....but I get that for some reason percent of GDP is all that matters.


It is interesting to see that the cost of housing increase has been a perfectly straight line since the turn of the century....there was of course a big bump after covid that has come back down to the line....this has always been a difficult one for governments because most Canadians have their savings locked into real estate, so lowering housing values is lowering wealth for many....i do agree that they were late, but I also think their programs now are really working....i'm an architect and the amount of housing we are doing is unbelievable....all supported by the feds....we would typically do about 1000 units in a year and we have 7000 in the office right now.

The issues in Toronto and Vancouver have also taken over the narrative for all of Canada....people just need to move to Winnipeg
     
     
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Absolutely insane that in less than 3 months, the Liberals wiped out this kind of Conservative lead.
     
     
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The Polls are showing a clear Carney bump, which he'd be wise to ride into an election Campaign, probably called this week. Even if PP can't pivot, I expect the polls to drop for the LPC a little.

So while they're skirting with a majority at the moment, I think we're firmly in LPC Minority territory now.

My feel at the moment is that the country in general is looking for calm, consistent, unifying non-crazy leadership, especially compared to what we're seeing down south. Carney is very clearly giving off those vibes, while PP... is not. Carney is basically riding a similar path to what Biden rode in the States in 2020; being the safe choice presented to people. People are looking for a steady hand on the rudder to guide us through the economic storm coming up from the South. And Carney presents himself as just that sort of leader, while PP does not feel strong enough in that respect.
     
     
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Absolutely insane that in less than 3 months, the Liberals wiped out this kind of Conservative lead.
Also notice how the Liberal and CPC total is 80%, up from 67%. People are really turning away from the other parties. The top 2 parties have combined for a max of 70% of the vote in the last 5 elections.
     
     
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Yeah that seems to be another thing going on. In chaotic times, people are looking for stability and thus are going to the classic two parties, boosting LPC and CPC numbers in general at the cost of the tertiary parties. That trait should hold through the campaign, at the cost of the NDP and Green and even BQ parties. (Not as much damage to the BQ, but they have taken a few blows so far in the polls it seems)
     
     
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