Canadian Federal Election

[kiwi4353]

PP loves to say how shitty Canada is, he's welcome to move to the States.

[janbe74]

Another thing the Liberals do well on. The steal other party's ideas and claim it as their own. Mark Carney is promising a middle-class tax cut, a GST tax cut on homes, increased defense spending, cuts to the public service staffing, getting rid of the carbon tax and capital gains tax etc.

He is moving the party to the center-right.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by janbe74

Another thing the Liberals do well on. The steal other party's ideas and claim it as their own. Mark Carney is promising a middle-class tax cut, a GST tax cut on homes, increased defense spending, cuts to the public service staffing, getting rid of the carbon tax and capital gains tax etc.

He is moving the party to the center-right.

Carney’s housing promise is to eliminate GST for first time home buyers. It is intended to improve affordability not spur supply. The tax break goes directly to purchasers. Other policies will be used to increase supply. The Conservative plan is to cut GST on all new build houses as the central strategy to increase supply. The cut goes to developers.

It’s a subtle but key difference. A 5% cut to houses will have no impact on supply. It will just get absorbed by developer profit. Average house costs have dropped by $200,000 since 2022 with no impact on increased supply. The top end of the market doesn’t need support. The government’s job should be to incentivize the rental and affordable sector that private developers do not service. This is what has been happening. 2024 was the first year ever that more rental homes were built in Canada than tenant-owned.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

Sorry but… please explain, what is wrong with “Canada First” how does that in anyway mimick Trump? You want don’t want Canada to be priority? Carney’s slogan should be “Brookfield’s shareholders first”

This is the kind of tone deafness I appreciate because it further promotes a Liberal victory. If you don’t want to sound like Trump, don’t copy his fucking slogan. Is that so hard to understand??? It makes him look like he is inspired by Trump and copying his style, which he is obviously doing.

[trueviking]

But I agree. He will definitely move the party to the right in many ways. That’s the great thing about the Liberal party. It can change with the circumstance of the times. It is not tied to a specific dogma like the NDP and Conservatives have to be. Probably why they have governed the country for 75% of its existence.

[casper]

Originally Posted by janbe74

Another thing the Liberals do well on. The steal other party's ideas and claim it as their own. Mark Carney is promising a middle-class tax cut, a GST tax cut on homes, increased defense spending, cuts to the public service staffing, getting rid of the carbon tax and capital gains tax etc.

He is moving the party to the center-right.

The Liberals believe in doing what is in the best interest of Canada and what is popular. Sometimes those two are in alignment and sometimes they are in conflict.

If another party has a good idea, why not adopt it.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

This is the kind of tone deafness I appreciate because it further promotes a Liberal victory. If you don’t want to sound like Trump, don’t copy his fucking slogan. Is that so hard to understand??? It makes him look like he is inspired by Trump and copying his style, which he is obviously doing.

It’s hilarious. They couldn’t spitball some new slogan ideas at least? America First - Canada First. How dumb are they.

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

This is the kind of tone deafness I appreciate because it further promotes a Liberal victory. If you don’t want to sound like Trump, don’t copy his fucking slogan. Is that so hard to understand??? It makes him look like he is inspired by Trump and copying his style, which he is obviously doing.

Lol… Canada third! Or fourth! Or better yet let’s make Canada last, and corporate shareholders first!

If this is what Liberals are focused on and not actual policy, you are the one that is tone deaf

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by trueviking

It’s hilarious. They couldn’t spitball some new slogan ideas at least? America First - Canada First. How dumb are they.

Tariffs will destroy Canadas economy, and we will still tax upstream industry, and we promise it won’t be passed on to the consumer, cause hey Joe, when was the last time you went to the store to buy steel?

This doesn’t ring any bells, or raise any red flags for you?! Who’s actually dumb.

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by casper

The Liberals believe in doing what is in the best interest of Canada and what is popular. Sometimes those two are in alignment and sometimes they are in conflict.

If another party has a good idea, why not adopt it.

I swear Carney signed off for Brookfield to relocate their headquarters from Canada to Trump’s backyard right before he announced his leadership plans?

You’re starting to sound like Catherine McKenna’s, repeat the lie enough times and they’ll start to believe it.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

Tariffs will destroy Canadas economy, and we will still tax upstream industry, and we promise it won’t be passed on to the consumer, cause hey Joe, when was the last time you went to the store to buy steel?

This doesn’t ring any bells, or raise any red flags for you?! Who’s actually dumb.

With so much experience navigating major global economies through difficult times, I trust Mark Carney at the wheel. You can make up scenarios all you want. Dumb would be to give the reigns to a guy with no experience at anything at all.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

Lol… Canada third! Or fourth! Or better yet let’s make Canada last, and corporate shareholders first!

If this is what Liberals are focused on and not actual policy, you are the one that is tone deaf

Mini-Trump made his own bed and he is now lying in it. He has intentionally mirrored the image and playbook of someone who has become the most hated man on earth. Rebranding his campaign using the same slogan shows they are oblivious to the reasons why they have dropped in the polls. I’m all for it of course.

[Takeoff]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

This is the kind of tone deafness I appreciate because it further promotes a Liberal victory. If you don’t want to sound like Trump, don’t copy his fucking slogan. Is that so hard to understand??? It makes him look like he is inspired by Trump and copying his style, which he is obviously doing.

I think it was a week or two ago I saw a post on a social media page that leans conservative and has a lot of conservative followers in the comments. It was about how Pierre wanted to end wokeness in the country and the reaction to this was heavily negative. People were calling out how tone deaf Pierre was to what their concerns were in the moment. I had never seen such a visceral reaction to PP on this page before, but it signalled to me that Pierre was out of touch on how Canadians feel about the social and political climate.

I think Chantel Hebert put it perfectly on a panel she was on a week or two ago. Canadians are interested in someone in leading or how she put it “acting prime ministerial”. Calm, collected, and trying to pull everyone together, but PP has continued to act like an attack dog. Slogans and parades aren’t what’s going to change how Canadians view you at this point, but being conciliatory and constructive might have helped. The thing is I don’t think there is a version of Poilievre that acts like Harper or Martin. I’m starting think that the only version PP is comfortable being is the always being on the attack, always throwing slogans around, them vs us mentality.

I considered voting for the conservatives before the resignation of Trudeau, thinking that PP would morph into the Job, that he was an effective leader of the opposition and this was the means to the Job, but I think the way he’s acting during a moment of crisis really spoke to his character. Now I can’t speak for all Canadians, but when they head to the polls they’ll have to chose not only between conservatives and liberals, but between Carney and Poilievre, and thats a real weakness for the conservatives. Carney is nothing special that’s for sure, terrible communicator, dubious dealings (maybe who knows), lack of political experience, but he’s intelligent and calm. That’s a big selling point when your competitor is known for four world slogans and shouting angrily.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

Wait… Liberals have been all out in full campaign mode for the last 8 weeks and they STILL aren’t leading in at 338?

Besides the PP is Trump of the North, what are they campaigning on? 3 years of deficits, continue taxing industry. Signalling for corporations to re-locate to the US? (That’s what our next PM’s actions suggest).

This next federal election is going to be real entertaining.

You don’t know how 338 works. It takes months of averages.

I have had Poilievre campaign commercials on my tv for a year. He has been in campaign mode for two years. Liberals don’t even have a leader. lol.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

After reading some of the post comparing PP with Trump, my blood is boiling.

The Liberal's campaign of trying to paint PP as just a mini-Trump is insulting in the extreme. Even for the Liberals, this is a new low and enough to make me not vote for them for that single reason. Trump is a narcissistic, undemocratic, irrational, dictatorial, racist, misogynistic convicted criminal and PP is absolutely NONE of those things. Full stop. You may have some policy differences with the man but he profoundly believes in democracy, human rights, and the rule of law.

Anyone who thinks Trump or PP have anything in common knows shockingly little about either one.

Yeah. How could anyone think Pierre is a mini Trump. Evil Liberals. He wears slogans on clothing. Where did he get that idea? He does campaign style rallies while not in a campaign. He gives demeaning nicknames to his opponents. His policies are three word rhymes. He supported truckers. He disrespects the media. He uses language like “radical woke ideology”. He is a populist who does nothing but rage farm.

He has been executing the Trump playbook for two years and now he’s paying the price.

[missing_middle]

Yeah I dunno. I was trying to figure out what just sort of puts me off about Carney and I think it's that he's the perfect politician....if it were like the year 2010.

A perfect example of a _low conviction social climbing trans-national-eco-capital elitist type_ that seem to get attracted to the ambivalence of centrist politics. Like a Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney type or something.

Competent perhaps....but it's also very different times.

[GeneralLea]

Yeah, increasingly I'm finding it difficult to put a name to who would be ideal for leader of either party. But by any measure, Carney is much more fit for leadership material than Pierre.
That being sad, there's a lot of people who won't care, and will just vote with their heart set on anyone that's not a Liberal at this point. That'll be one of the challenges for Liberals this election as we know.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

Lol… Canada third! Or fourth! Or better yet let’s make Canada last, and corporate shareholders first!

If this is what Liberals are focused on and not actual policy, you are the one that is tone deaf

That explains why the Conservatives still have a 27 point lead, and will easily cruise to one of the largest majority victories in Canadian history this year (sarcasm).

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by kiwi4353

PP loves to say how shitty Canada is, he's welcome to move to the States.

You mean like the way Carney became British? And Irish?

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Takeoff

I think it was a week or two ago I saw a post on a social media page that leans conservative and has a lot of conservative followers in the comments. It was about how Pierre wanted to end wokeness in the country and the reaction to this was heavily negative. People were calling out how tone deaf Pierre was to what their concerns were in the moment. I had never seen such a visceral reaction to PP on this page before, but it signalled to me that Pierre was out of touch on how Canadians feel about the social and political climate.

I think Chantel Hebert put it perfectly on a panel she was on a week or two ago. Canadians are interested in someone in leading or how she put it “acting prime ministerial”. Calm, collected, and trying to pull everyone together, but PP has continued to act like an attack dog. Slogans and parades aren’t what’s going to change how Canadians view you at this point, but being conciliatory and constructive might have helped. The thing is I don’t think there is a version of Poilievre that acts like Harper or Martin. I’m starting think that the only version PP is comfortable being is the always being on the attack, always throwing slogans around, them vs us mentality.

I considered voting for the conservatives before the resignation of Trudeau, thinking that PP would morph into the Job, that he was an effective leader of the opposition and this was the means to the Job, but I think the way he’s acting during a moment of crisis really spoke to his character. Now I can’t speak for all Canadians, but when they head to the polls they’ll have to chose not only between conservatives and liberals, but between Carney and Poilievre, and thats a real weakness for the conservatives. Carney is nothing special that’s for sure, terrible communicator, dubious dealings (maybe who knows), lack of political experience, but he’s intelligent and calm. That’s a big selling point when your competitor is known for four world slogans and shouting angrily.

One thing that is ultimately going to destroy PP, is the fact that he has done absolutely nothing to distance himself from far right celebrities endorsing him (Musk, O'Leary, Rogan, Peterson, Alex Jones, etc). The most unpopular people in Canada right now are Kevin O'Leary and Elon Musk. True, he has come out, and said what he would do to counter the tariffs imposed by Trrump, but it is not enough.

The fact that Poilievre has not commented on the cheerleading (even up to this weekend) by Kevin O'Leary, is unbelievable. If I were him, I would put out a statement to the media saying that "The CPC stands for all Canadians, and condemns Mr. O'Leary for speaking on behalf of Canada, to the President of the United States. He is not authorised to do this, and his opinions are not shared with the CPC."

He also would be wise to renounce the Musk endorsement, considering Musk and O'Leary are by far, the most unpopular Canadian citizens in the World. By not doing so, he is not only blowing a chance to distance himself for them, but many Canadians will have the impression that the CPC agrees with O'Leary and Musk.