Canadian Federal Election - Page 78

jamincan · #**1541** Posted **Feb 25, 2025, 2:52 PM**

Trudeau might have more real results than Harper, but Harper had the right pro-oil vibes, and isn't that what ultimately matters most?

Marshsparrow · #**1542** Posted **Feb 25, 2025, 3:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by jamincan

Trudeau might have more real results than Harper, but Harper had the right pro-oil vibes, and isn't that what ultimately matters most?

And he failed... but was sure great at selling everything off to China.

YOWetal · #**1543** Posted **Feb 25, 2025, 3:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Is there actual evidence that the private sector would have got it done for much, much cheaper? I don't see any. There's lots of rhetoric from partisans. But is there any real non-partisan study that pegs the numbers. I'd genuinely love to see that.

A lot is kept secret and of course you can't study one off events. The cost increased 400%. The costs for the LNG Gaslink pipeline also increased but nowhere near as much and keep in mind it's consultation and other government imposed regulation that led to a lot of that too. Some of that is now inevitable but we could be a lot more reasonable for sure. If we built it as an emergency it could be built for a lot less.

WarrenC12 · #**1544** Posted **Feb 25, 2025, 4:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

A vote for the NDP is certainly a vote for PP.

Canadians have a clear choice in this election. An adult in the room, or a Trump acolyte and stooge.

Your choice Canada, your choice.

Interesting to see you flip back to the LPC.

WarrenC12 · #**1545** Posted **Feb 25, 2025, 4:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Sure. Let me know where to mail you the bottle of French's Ketchup. Lol.

There's movement to be sure. But we haven't started the debates between Carney and Poilievre yet. I think when those start, Poilievre will come out on top. He just won't get the sweeping mandate he imagined. And he'll have to watch what he does and says the whole time Trump is in office, or risk re-election. It kinda reminds me of Harper and Dubya. Harper had to be really careful to not appear too friendly to Dubya in the waning days of that administration. This is the same dynamic on steroids.

If the LPC was smart they'd be trying to tie PP not only to Trump, but Peterson, Musk, and the rest of the unpopular alt-right.

WarrenC12 · #**1546** Posted **Feb 25, 2025, 4:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Baylis won’t win of course but this could be the launching pad for a political career. This is likely his plan.

A political career? He was already an MP. If he loses is he going to run again with the Carney LPC?

He's 62.

Acajack · #**1547** Posted **Feb 25, 2025, 4:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

A political career? He was already an MP. If he loses is he going to run again with the Carney LPC?

He's 62.

If a political junkie like me has barely heard of him he has hardly made an impact as an MP for a West Island Montreal riding where a wooden fence post painted red would get elected.

HomeInMyShoes · #**1548** Posted **Feb 25, 2025, 4:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

A political career? He was already an MP. If he loses is he going to run again with the Carney LPC?

He's 62.

He's still got a good fifteen to twenty years in the US.

Hackslack · #**1549** Posted **Feb 25, 2025, 4:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

If the LPC was smart they'd be trying to tie PP not only to Trump, but Peterson, Musk, and the rest of the unpopular alt-right.

Haven’t they already been doing that for the last while?

If the Cons were smart they’d be trying to tie Carney helping the American economy but artificially inflating the cost of Canadian industries, thereby further damaging an already hurting Canadian economy.

WarrenC12 · #**1550** Posted **Feb 25, 2025, 4:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

If a political junkie like me has barely heard of him he has hardly made an impact as an MP for a West Island Montreal riding where a wooden fence post painted red would get elected.

Ok... you're the one talking about this only being a stepping stone to launching a political career. I don't think that's realistic. Why would you think that?

WarrenC12 · #**1551** Posted **Feb 25, 2025, 4:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hackslack

Haven’t they already been doing that for the last while?

Not specifically to Musk who is the poster boy for hate in the US right now... at least not that I've seen. I don't have a lot of political ads invading my space though, thankfully.

P'tit Renard · #**1552** Posted **Feb 25, 2025, 4:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Baylis won’t win of course but this could be the launching pad for a political career. This is likely his plan.

Likely wants to jockey for a cabinet position within the Carney administration to start. Le Maire de Montreal in the cards?

P'tit Renard · #**1553** Posted **Feb 25, 2025, 4:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by BlackDog204

This is untrue.

The last 3 US election have been interesting for all the wrong reasons. There is a literal fascist in the race, and he has won twice.

What is untrue? That Ontarians care less about the current provincial election that US politics, even though the former significantly impacts the next 4 years of Canada's largest province? You're not the arbitrary arbiter of reality.

P'tit Renard · #**1554** Posted **Feb 25, 2025, 5:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by casper

He is being elected to do battle with Trump et al. The Americans don't understand French.

I hope Quebecers are willing to cut him some slack on that one, given he is trying and will keep improving on the French. Afterall we all tolerated Chretien who did not do well in either language.

That's ridiculous, Anglophone Canadians never had to "tolerate" Chretien's English. Despite the franco accent and reprecussions from Bell's Palsy, Chretien was clearly articulate in English during his Prime Ministership. Even in his golden years, he's doing English interviews at ease with GenZ influencers.

If we're comparing to the equivalent FSL proficiency of last night's debaters, Chretien ESL proficiency would fall between Baylis and Gould.

Truenorth00 · #**1555** Posted **Feb 25, 2025, 5:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by P'tit Renard

What is untrue? That Ontarians care less about the current provincial election that US politics, even though the former significantly impacts the next 4 years of Canada's largest province? You're not the arbitrary arbiter of reality.

At least my wife is honest when I chastize her for following American politics and not paying attention to the Ontario election, "Our politics are boring."

People want the show. They don't want to admit that. So they come up with excuses on why it's relevant to them. I was posted in the US and I didn't follow their politics as closely as some here, who have never lived in the US.

MolsonExport · #**1556** Posted **Feb 25, 2025, 6:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by ToxiK

What Canada needs to do to call his bluff is to publicly tell him something like: "Ok, Fatass, put your tariffs on. We will do the same. Yes, our economy will suffer but so will yours. You will lose jobs, companies will close, inflation will soar and the stock market will crash. Yes, the Canadian economy will be in a recession, but so will be the U.S.. No, your recession may not be as big as ours, but it will hurt you and you will have to spend the rest of your mandate telling the people why the economy is bad, while gaslighting your cult to believe that everything is better than before. You will have to justify job losses and inflation, and your popularity will go down the drain, so there will be no way you could get elected for an illegal third term. Oh, and no Mount Rushmore for you..."

yes, this and only this.

Acajack · #**1557** Posted **Feb 25, 2025, 6:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by P'tit Renard

Likely wants to jockey for a cabinet position within the Carney administration to start. Le Maire de Montreal in the cards?

This is exactly what I meant.

Acajack · #**1558** Posted **Feb 25, 2025, 6:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00

At least my wife is honest when I chastize her for following American politics and not paying attention to the Ontario election, "Our politics are boring."

People want the show. They don't want to admit that. So they come up with excuses on why it's relevant to them. I was posted in the US and I didn't follow their politics as closely as some here, who have never lived in the US.

Yes, I think that the excuse that it's because Trump II is an existential threat to Canada (which he is) that Canadians are obsessive over US politics and ignore their own, is pretty lame.

In my observation Canadians started progressively devoting more of their time to US politics and ignoring their own around the George W Bush years.

Part of me thinks it also coincided with the advent of highly popular Hollywood TV shows like The West Wing which were based in the Washington political scene.

I've said it before but we're now at the point where Ottawa is the CFL and Washington is the NFL of politics in the mind of many Canadians.

WarrenC12 · #**1559** Posted **Feb 25, 2025, 6:15 PM**

It's telling that the "Buy Canada" movement started in response to Trump's early tariff threats and did not slow down when he postponed them.

Government should take their cues from this and ignore his rhetoric and simply act with retaliatory tariffs immediately, along with removing things like US alcohol from government controlled stores.

I'm interested to hear results from large Canadian retailers on how their orders have changed based on what is sitting on the shelf and what products are moving.

YOWetal · #**1560** Posted **Feb 25, 2025, 6:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by P'tit Renard

That's ridiculous, Anglophone Canadians never had to "tolerate" Chretien's English. Despite the franco accent and reprecussions from Bell's Palsy, Chretien was clearly articulate in English during his Prime Ministership. Even in his golden years, he's doing English interviews at ease with GenZ influencers.

If we're comparing to the equivalent FSL proficiency of last night's debaters, Chretien ESL proficiency would fall between Baylis and Gould.

Pronunciation aside he's probably closer to Baylis than Gould. He was very very bilingual. Dion is a different story. For English Canadians we don't really judge the ability to speak English but debates and interviews aren't graded with a handicap so if you can't perform which is pretty natural in your second language you suffer. Dion probably spoke English less fluently than anyone else who ever came close and he didn't really get that close to be honest. St. Laurent and Laurier had weird childhood exposures to English making them fluent.

Harper is probably far from the worst French speaker though even in the Radio/TV era.