Canadian Federal Election

[acottawa]

So they have kicked all of the POC out of the campaign, one a sitting MP and the other a former cabinet minister.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by acottawa

So they have kicked all of the POC out of the campaign, one a sitting MP and the other a former cabinet minister.

Bajan-Canadian Frank Baylis is still running.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by theman23

Bajan-Canadian Frank Baylis is still running.

I believe that is referred to as “passing” in Jim Crow terminology.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by acottawa

So they have kicked all of the POC out of the campaign, one a sitting MP and the other a former cabinet minister.

This is probably one of the most disgusting posts I have seen on here. Ruby Dhalla not only broke rules, but ran on a far right campaign. She also had a very shady history in Parliament, when she was an MP from 2004-11. She even had the reputation of being the most unpopular MP in Parliament Hill

The current makeup of the Liberal Party is the most racially diverse cabinet in the history of Canada. Anyone who posts apartheid pics is pathetic.

There is a very real White Supremacy movement in America. Stop gaslighting the forum, and take your MAGA bullshit with you.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by trueviking

^ as i said....maybe you remember it.....most don't, so it has no impact on distancing himself from Trudeau....

He doesn't really need to do that anyways....he has to show why he is better than the guy who has never had a job....that's who he is running against....polls are already showing that people don't link Carney to Trudeau...as much as Pierre tries.

Getting back to this, it seems like a lot more people than you think are remembering Trudeau's promise.

Althia Raj and Chantal Hebert were on At Issue and called out Carney's promise to run a deficit to "invest in Canada" as a rehash of Trudeau policy. The CPC is also trying to capitalize on the similarity.

If Carney wants people to believe he's an "outsider" and alternative to JT, he should try bringing some new ideas instead of promising the same old.

[kwoldtimer]

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[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by acottawa

I believe that is referred to as “passing” in Jim Crow terminology.

That is an inappropriate comment.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

That is an inappropriate comment.

It’s all disingenuous BS that is better ignored. He doesn’t even believe what he’s saying and we all know it.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

This is probably one of the most disgusting posts I have seen on here. Ruby Dhalla not only broke rules, but ran on a far right campaign. She also had a very shady history in Parliament, when she was an MP from 2004-11. She even had the reputation of being the most unpopular MP in Parliament Hill

The current makeup of the Liberal Party is the most racially diverse cabinet in the history of Canada. Anyone who posts apartheid pics is pathetic.

There is a very real White Supremacy movement in America. Stop gaslighting the forum, and take your MAGA bullshit with you.

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

That is an inappropriate comment.

Seconded. acottawa is losing it. Wow.

[casper]

Liberal party leadership is doing it is job.

There was a candidate that violated campaign rules both financial and from foreign interference. The candidate was disqualified and removed from the ballet.

That is it. It is stretch to think this is racial.

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by acottawa

So they have kicked all of the POC out of the campaign, one a sitting MP and the other a former cabinet minister.

If anyone cheats or violates the established rules it is grounds for removal from the race. In your alternate reality POC get a pass?

[MolsonExport]

Q: where is the evidence that the Liberals are sidelining racialized minority candidates because of their race?
A: there is none, because this is not what is happening.

Q: then why are some people repeatedly making this claim?
A: "reasons"

[ssiguy]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I think even JT is looking better against Trump in 2025. We all suspected a Trump presidency would be better for JT and the LPC, but how exactly was up in the air.

In that respect, CPC/PP have had equal time to prepare for Trump and appeared to have dropped the ball so far. Continuing to focus on the carbon tax is a poor read of the room.

I agree. It's really quite shocking how the Tories have stayed on script with a "carbon tax election" when the priorities of Canadians has changed so dramatically in the last 2 months.

That said, people who think Carney has come to rescue the Liberals from sure defeat are way ahead of themselves. Carney has greatly helped the Liberals in support but that is mostly due to all the media attention he is getting. The man has talked a lot and yet said remarkably little and talking in platitudes is easy but actually having to come up with viable policies is quite another matter. So far, the media has basically given Carney a free ride but that will change when the writ is dropped.

Remember, Carney has only had to defend any policies in a nicely controlled news conference room in front of a bunch of well trained penguins of bankers who ask no questions and clap when told to do so. Having to offer valid alternatives for all social/political/economic/financial/ and foreign policy issues is quite another matter. Having to debate in both official languages while being attacked is a whole different ballgame. Canadians don't live in the banking halls of Bay Street and he has yet to prove that he doesn't either.

[samne]

Polymarket has odds of winning election:

Pierre:70%
Carney:30%

https://polymarket.com/event/next-prime-minster-of-canada?tid=1740345129792

[missing_middle]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

I agree. It's really quite shocking how the Tories have stayed on script with a "carbon tax election" when the priorities of Canadians has changed so dramatically in the last 2 months.

That said, people who think Carney has come to rescue the Liberals from sure defeat are way ahead of themselves. Carney has greatly helped the Liberals in support but that is mostly due to all the media attention he is getting. The man has talked a lot and yet said remarkably little and talking in platitudes is easy but actually having to come up with viable policies is quite another. So far, the media has basically given Carney a free ride but that will change when the writ is dropped.

Remember, Carney has only had to defend any policies in a nicely controlled news conference room in front of a bunch of well trained penguins of bankers who ask no questions and clap when told to do so. Having to offer valid alternatives for all social/political/economic/financial/ and foreign policy issues is quite another. Having to debate in both official languages while being attacked is a whole different ballgame. Canadians don't live in the banking halls of Bay Street and he has yet to prove that he doesn't either.

Is he going to be attacked in the debates? As far as I can tell none of the Liberal candidates are attacking each other. It barely feels like a race.

There is a danger in this "safe Liberal race" strategy because he is going come out under-scrutinized and under-tested and it won't just be the Conservatives targeting him. The NDP would arguably have even more reason to attack him in an general election if they are hemorrhaging votes to him. A banker/asset manager also not exactly a hard target for the NDP. The election ads from them could be uglier.

[samne]

Originally Posted by missing_middle

Is he going to be attacked in the debates? As far as I can tell none of the Liberal candidates are attacking each other. It barely feels like a race.

There is a danger in this "safe Liberal race" strategy because he is going come out under-scrutinized and under-tested and it won't just be the Conservatives targeting him. The NDP would arguably have even more reason to attack him in a general election if they are hemorrhaging votes to him. A banker/asset manager also not exactly a hard target for the NDP. The election ads from them could be uglier.

This is a good point. It would be all firing at Carney. Would even throw The Bloc in there too. All stand to gain most from Liberal votes..

[casper]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

I agree. It's really quite shocking how the Tories have stayed on script with a "carbon tax election" when the priorities of Canadians has changed so dramatically in the last 2 months.

That said, people who think Carney has come to rescue the Liberals from sure defeat are way ahead of themselves. Carney has greatly helped the Liberals in support but that is mostly due to all the media attention he is getting. The man has talked a lot and yet said remarkably little and talking in platitudes is easy but actually having to come up with viable policies is quite another. So far, the media has basically given Carney a free ride but that will change when the writ is dropped.

Remember, Carney has only had to defend any policies in a nicely controlled news conference room in front of a bunch of well trained penguins of bankers who ask no questions and clap when told to do so. Having to offer valid alternatives for all social/political/economic/financial/ and foreign policy issues is quite another matter. Having to debate in both official languages while being attacked is a whole different ballgame. Canadians don't live in the banking halls of Bay Street and he has yet to prove that he doesn't either.

I originally though it was the conservatives just being slow on their feet. I am now thinking its not that and its them being overly committed to just one industry.

We are starting to learn how invested the conservatives are in the oil and gas sector. We already know Daniel Smith would give up her first born along with every other industry in Canada to protect oil and gas.

I think Carny has done well relating to average person. He looks authentic when he puts on a team Canada jersey and has some beer at a bar watching the game. He has talked about the impact of banking policies on the average Canadian. He comes across being more authentic than PP.

[missing_middle]

Originally Posted by casper

I originally though it was the conservatives just being slow on their feet. I am now thinking its not that and its them being overly committed to just one industry.

We are starting to learn how invested the conservatives are in the oil and gas sector. We already know Daniel Smith would give up her first born along with every other industry in Canada to protect oil and gas.

Because there is no other industry that gets targeted in the way the oil and gas sector does. It requires continuous defending from the energy illiterate and nihilist malthusians.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

The Fundamentally conservative model of 338 has been updated to it's lowest projection for the CPC yet, now projected to win no more than 177 seats. (172 needed for a majority)

It's important to note that the 338 projection is only taking into account polls for the Liberals as a whole, not polls with Carney as the leader.



There's been multiple polls now with Carney as the leader of the Liberals, that have the Liberals led by Mark Carney ahead of Pierre Poillievre's Conservatives.

I don't think it will be long before the 338 projection shows PP's CPC's dipping below the majority threshold, especially not if Trump keeps it up.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by missing_middle

Because there is no other industry that gets targeted in the way the oil and gas sector does. It requires continuous defending from the energy illiterate and nihilist malthusians.

would sure be interesting if Mark Carney could come out in favour of reviving Energy East in a way that didn't hurt his chances in Quebec.



perhaps it could be revised to avoid going near Montreal entirely, if the environmental concerns around the water supply of Montreal remains the main concern for Quebec voters.