Canadian Federal Election - Page 67

MonctonRad · #**1321** Posted **Feb 20, 2025, 12:10 PM**

What is truly remarkable is the complete collapse of the NDP. They are going to get decimated in the election. Singh is history........

acottawa · #**1322** Posted **Feb 20, 2025, 12:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

What is truly remarkable is the complete collapse of the NDP. They are going to get decimated in the election. Singh is history........

We'll see. Singh has many faults, but he is a good campaigner; good in debates, good talking to people, etc.

Carney is a total political noob and Poilievre is a new leader.

missing_middle · #**1323** Posted **Feb 20, 2025, 12:49 PM**

It will be curious to see how NDP voters actually end up voting.

It's hard to read Carney's true intentions on various topics right now but given his background he generally seems slightly right of center by Liberal standards. His "spend less, invest more" is basically splitting the budget into OpEx and CapEx and cutting the former and investing in the latter and conditioning it on private investment.

I don't necessarily see this a bad thing as a Conservative leaning person but this sort of stuff would typically ring alarm bells in NDP.

Marshsparrow · #**1324** Posted **Feb 20, 2025, 1:01 PM**

People seem to like Carney and his message of fiscal responsibility and building I think is the middle centre most are comfortable with.

I think NDP voters will be happy to back a Liberal if it means we don't end up with Timbit Trump as PM and what is happening in the US.

Innsertnamehere · #**1325** Posted **Feb 20, 2025, 2:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by missing_middle

It will be curious to see how NDP voters actually end up voting.

It's hard to read Carney's true intentions on various topics right now but given his background he generally seems slightly right of center by Liberal standards. His "spend less, invest more" is basically splitting the budget into OpEx and CapEx and cutting the former and investing in the latter and conditioning it on private investment.

I don't necessarily see this a bad thing as a Conservative leaning person but this sort of stuff would typically ring alarm bells in NDP.

Carney is definitely trying to distance himself and play himself off as a "red tory" more than a "red dipper" that Trudeau more closely follows. A far greater focus on economic issues than social issues - which aligns with his background and I think is the right response for right now.

Economic issues are weighing big on the electorate and area a big reason people are leaning towards the Conservatives - free daycare doesn't matter if they aren't employed. Carney's message of "I know how to run an economy but to do it in a nice way" is probably the Liberal's best hope.

travis3000 · #**1326** Posted **Feb 20, 2025, 2:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

People seem to like Carney and his message of fiscal responsibility and building I think is the middle centre most are comfortable with.

I think NDP voters will be happy to back a Liberal if it means we don't end up with Timbit Trump as PM and what is happening in the US.

I can see why Carney is cleaning up with the 55+ crowd in polls. Anecdotally Im getting the same reaction among the older people in my life. He's an accomplished safe option who has real experience navigating rough waters. PP is not palatable for these type of people.

I can see why the younger 18-40 age group prefer PP. He's the rebel, looks to shake things up. The current system hasn't worked for these people. They feel left behind. More willing to take risks even during turbulent times.

It will be very interesting what happens over the next few months.

ToxiK · #**1327** Posted **Feb 20, 2025, 2:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Singh is history........

At least he got his pension...

elly63 · #**1328** Posted **Feb 20, 2025, 2:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

What is truly remarkable is the complete collapse of the NDP. They are going to get decimated in the election. Singh is history........

As well they should, propping up a government we could have gotten rid of years ago. Frankly I don't how he escaped enmity for so long.

I knew lifelong NDP union leaders (much of my family) who hate his guts. As an aside, I often great them with "Hey ya old Communist, how ya doin'"

I won't say that old time racism doesn't play a small part in their hatred for him but it is mostly what he has done. I'd detail it for you but I usually shut down when they start ranting on about internal NDP politics

Marty_Mcfly · #**1329** Posted **Feb 20, 2025, 2:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

What is truly remarkable is the complete collapse of the NDP. They are going to get decimated in the election. Singh is history........

Back in the fall a lot of left-leaning folks were saying "why would Singh bring down the government and force an election just to lose all leverage and hand the CPC a majority?"

This is why. Just like I said, the longer he propped up the Liberals the more it'd hurt the NDP in the long run. More important to passing dental care and pharmacare is ensuring your own party can survive an election.

Singh had a perfect window of opportunity from say early November to late December to have brought down the government and position the NDP to possibly overtake the Liberals in seat count. Now they'll be fighting for their lives.

elly63 · #**1330** Posted **Feb 20, 2025, 2:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by travis3000

I can see why Carney is cleaning up with the 55+ crowd in polls. Anecdotally Im getting the same reaction among the older people in my life. He's an accomplished safe option who has real experience navigating rough waters. PP is not palatable for these type of people.

I can see why the younger 18-40 age group prefer PP. He's the rebel, looks to shake things up. The current system hasn't worked for these people. They feel left behind. More willing to take risks even during turbulent times.

It will be very interesting what happens over the next few months.

That's a really good take but for me the jury is still out if he is the "safe" option. If he was I might be all in but I fear he would be more of the same leftist and far leftist policies. Now if he were a real Liberal, that would be a different story.

elly63 · #**1331** Posted **Feb 20, 2025, 2:47 PM**

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Singh had a perfect window of opportunity from say early November to late December to have brought down the government and position the NDP to possibly overtake the Liberals in seat count. Now they'll be fighting for their lives.

It just seems like a perfect storm that every decision made by Trudeau, Singh and PP has put us where we are and seemingly backed into a corner with fewer options.

Marshsparrow · #**1332** Posted **Feb 20, 2025, 2:56 PM**

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At least he got his pension...

Singh's pension = 66K per year at 65
Timbit Trump's pension = 230K per year at 65

That is some pension for Pierre.

missing_middle · #**1333** Posted **Feb 20, 2025, 2:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by Marty_Mcfly

Back in the fall a lot of left-leaning folks were saying "why would Singh bring down the government and force an election just to lose all leverage and hand the CPC a majority?"

This is why. Just like I said, the longer he propped up the Liberals the more it'd hurt the NDP in the long run. More important to passing dental care and pharmacare is ensuring your own party can survive an election.

Singh had a perfect window of opportunity from say early November to late December to have brought down the government and position the NDP to possibly overtake the Liberals in seat count. Now they'll be fighting for their lives.

I would argue there has been a general rightward shift post-pandemic. Hard to see NDP outflanking the Liberals in these times.

NDP is a weird coalition of interests anyway. Not sure unionized working class people are automatically ideologically left-wing in all areas.

ToxiK · #**1334** Posted **Feb 20, 2025, 3:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

Singh's pension = 66K per year at 65
Timbit Trump's pension = 230K per year at 65

That is some pension for Pierre.

He might need it if Carney beats him...

travis3000 · #**1335** Posted **Feb 20, 2025, 3:05 PM**

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That's a really good take but for me the jury is still out if he is the "safe" option. If he was I might be all in but I fear he would be more of the same leftist and far leftist policies. Now if he were a real Liberal, that would be a different story.

Real Liberal or not, the man ran world banks during very turbulent times. He's no dummy.

YOWetal · #**1336** Posted **Feb 20, 2025, 3:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Marty_Mcfly

Back in the fall a lot of left-leaning folks were saying "why would Singh bring down the government and force an election just to lose all leverage and hand the CPC a majority?"

This is why. Just like I said, the longer he propped up the Liberals the more it'd hurt the NDP in the long run. More important to passing dental care and pharmacare is ensuring your own party can survive an election.

Singh had a perfect window of opportunity from say early November to late December to have brought down the government and position the NDP to possibly overtake the Liberals in seat count. Now they'll be fighting for their lives.

First of all nobody could predict things getting totally turned upside down. But if you are actually concerned about the programs you fought for like dental care there is now a decent chance that Carney can win and a strong possibility Poilievre will now be held to a minority. What did Layton really accomplish from 2004 when he voted down the Liberals losing childcare for a generation leading to his "big win" in 2011? Did a Conservative majority with an NDP official opposition act any differently than it would have with a Liberal minority?

elly63 · #**1337** Posted **Feb 20, 2025, 3:44 PM**

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Real Liberal or not, the man ran world banks during very turbulent times. He's no dummy.

I don't think I'd like an intelligent authoritarian. I haven't done the reading but I'm not sure how well his stint as the head cat at the Bank of England went. I think he had detractors