Canadian Federal Election

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by Hecate

lol you guys compare Pierre to trump all the time.

yes, it's quite effective... and accurate.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

yes, it's quite effective... and accurate

Only to far left ideologues

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by trueviking

Because he copies him.

To me, you are not the best judge of character. Pierre is nothing like trump.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by jamincan

I think they have to address working-class young men in general, and not specifically white working-class young men. In general, there's a cohort of men of all races who feel that governments have largely been focused on other groups and that they have been forgotten and left behind. I think there's a lot of truth to this and it could pay off for a politician to actually speak to it instead of treating it like a hot stone.

This is very prescient. For all the ideologically convenient talk about the "freedom convoy" being an open-air white supremacist convention, there were many many young Indo Canadian, Arab Canadian and Indigenous Canadian men in the crowd.

If you were in downtown Ottawa around that time (as I happened to be, fortuitously, on the convoy's peak day) it was quite apparent.,

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by trueviking

Your web browser is your friend. Try it out.

Ohh yes lookie here… the liberals ill conceived online news act actually hurt the people it was supposed to help… just like everything else they touch… it turns to shit.

Let’s all vote liberal!! Hurray for everything!

https://www.internetsociety.org/resource...journalism-competition-and-the-internet/

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by Acajack

This is very prescient. For all the ideologically convenient talk about the "freedom convoy" being an open-air white supremacist convention, there were many many young Indo Canadian, Arab Canadian and Indigenous Canadian men in the crowd.

If you were in downtown Ottawa around that time (as I happened to be, fortuitously, on the convoy's peak day) it was quite apparent.,

There was a video from the convoy of two Indian men dancing laughing joking saying were trudeaus white supremacists..

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Marty_Mcfly

That's fine and all, but voters are definitely going to want to know sooner or later how he differs from Trudeau. Canadians weren't going to re-elect Trudeau, and they won't re-elect the Liberals until they are certain that Carney is going to be vastly different than the previous Prime Minister.

And there may be signs that he’s parting ways with JT with that comment about white working class young men.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by samne

Double down Canada is broken.

Libs try to gaslight that this is unpatriotic and need to continue as is.

JT broke it. The country is worse off in pretty much every metric since liberals took over.

Change is needed.

Before you were suspended, I remember how you were a big Trump fan. As such, wouldn't you be thrilled at the notion of a "Broken Canada"?

What do you think about Trump's plan to bring about the annexation of Canada through economic warfare?

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by Hecate

There was a video from the convoy of two Indian men dancing laughing joking saying were trudeaus white supremacists..

Your apologies for the Karen Konvoy remind everyone why they don't want to cast a vote for Peevish Polyester. Thanks!!

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Your apologies for the Karen Konvoy remind everyone why they don't want to cast a vote for Peevish Polyester. Thanks!!

Really? cause he’s still winning the election according to 338…

[samne]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Before you were suspended, I remember how you were a big Trump fan. As such, wouldn't you be thrilled at the notion of a "Broken Canada"?

What do you think about Trump's plan to bring about the annexation of Canada through economic warfare?

Engaging with you only results is suspension… so I’ll pass.

[Tvisforme]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Really? cause he’s still winning the election according to 338…

One month ago, 338 Canada projected the Conservatives would get 238 seats, the Bloc 42 and the Liberals 41. As of today, they have the Conservatives on a sustained downward trend at 192 and the Liberals moving up, currently at 101. So, yes, the Conservatives are still forecast to win, but they've lost a lot of ground.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Acajack

This is very prescient. For all the ideologically convenient talk about the "freedom convoy" being an open-air white supremacist convention, there were many many young Indo Canadian, Arab Canadian and Indigenous Canadian men in the crowd.

If you were in downtown Ottawa around that time (as I happened to be, fortuitously, on the convoy's peak day) it was quite apparent.,

I always thought the claims for the left wing lying CBC were baseless conspiracy theories until I walked through the convoy and then watched the CBC report on it that evening.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by jamincan

I think they have to address working-class young men in general, and not specifically white working-class young men. In general, there's a cohort of men of all races who feel that governments have largely been focused on other groups and that they have been forgotten and left behind. I think there's a lot of truth to this and it could pay off for a politician to actually speak to it instead of treating it like a hot stone.

I think you're right, but the perception that this is a white person problem as part of some fever dream replacement theory conspiracy certainly exists and it was odd to see Carney using language to feed into that. I don't think this was a good way for Carney to phrase it (he seemed uncomfortable and looked to have immediately regretted his choice of words), but it was an interesting and somewhat refreshing recognition of a problem that the LPC for the most part has refused to acknowledge.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by Tvisforme

One month ago, 338 Canada projected the Conservatives would get 238 seats, the Bloc 42 and the Liberals 41. As of today, they have the Conservatives on a sustained downward trend at 192 and the Liberals moving up, currently at 101. So, yes, the Conservatives are still forecast to win, but they've lost a lot of ground.

Liberals are in full election mode already launching anti Pierre/conservative propaganda and they don’t even have a leader. I think the carney trump bump may have plateaued.

[casper]

Originally Posted by theman23

I think you're right, but the perception that this is a white person problem as part of some fever dream replacement theory conspiracy certainly exists and it was odd to see Carney using language to feed into that. I don't think this was a good way for Carney to phrase it (he seemed uncomfortable and looked to have immediately regretted his choice of words), but it was an interesting and somewhat refreshing admission that our problems don't end once the Trump tariff threats go away.

Not certain left leaning is the correct term. Harper wanted him to be a conservative finance minister.

It was a poor choice of word but the intention was correct. Saying the Liberals are committed to creating opportunities for all Canadians regardless of race, sex etc. That includes white males.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by casper

Not certain left leaning is the correct term. Harper wanted him to be a conservative finance minister.

It was a poor choice of word but the intention was correct. Saying the Liberals are committed to creating opportunities for all Canadians regardless of race, sex etc. That includes white males.

Well clearly the Liberals in their current form are not, as the last 10 years have shown. Whether the Liberal under Mark Carney would be any different is the question. There are some promising signs, but it seems like all the potential candidates are basically saying the same things these days. Ultimately it'll come down to who Canadians see as the most credible option for change.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by theman23

Well clearly the Liberals in their current form are not, as the last 10 years have shown. Whether the Liberal under Mark Carney would be any different is the question. There are some promising signs, but it seems like all the potential candidates are basically saying the same things these days. Ultimately it'll come down to who Canadians see as the most credible option for change.

I'm as anti-DEI as the next person but the idea white males have been excluded from opportunity by the Liberals over the past 10 years seems like a stretch. Outside of a government contracts or civil service jobs the Federal government doesn't have much say over the economy. The corporate exclusionary polices ironically called inclusion are more bleeding over the border from the US and should subside regardless of government as the US course corrects. (Ideally we avoid the over-correction they are likely to have)

[theman23]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

I'm as anti-DEI as the next person but the idea white males have been excluded from opportunity by the Liberals over the past 10 years seems like a stretch. Outside of a government contracts or civil service jobs the Federal government doesn't have much say over the economy. The corporate exclusionary polices ironically called inclusion are more bleeding over the border from the US and should subside regardless of government as the US course corrects. (Ideally we avoid the over-correction they are likely to have)

You’re not following the conversation. Carney was the one that singled out young white men.

My opinion is generally that young people from all backgrounds have been deprived of economic opportunities. You’re not very consistent on this issue. Sometimes you recognize the impact of injecting 3 million TFWs/fake students into the labour market, but then a few days later you argue that the Feds have little influence.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by theman23

You’re not following the conversation. Carney was the one that singled out young white men.

My opinion is generally that young people from all backgrounds have been deprived of economic opportunities. You’re not very consistent on this issue. Sometimes you recognize the impact of injecting 3 million TFWs/fake students into the labour market, but then a few days later you argue that the Feds have little influence.

I guess my poorly elaborated point was singling out white men to also get opportunity is a nice break from DEI language but DEI isn't causing no economic opportunity. I think the fake student TFW surge was horrible for rental availability and low skilled labour but probably helped prevent a wage inflation spiral from starting in the service industry. This government deserves to go for it's virtue signaling nonsense, economic suicide strangling our resource sector, over spending that wasn't strategic. But the idea that it's social policy (the well thought out part like daycare for example) that was balanced with modest tax increases destroyed our economy and thus reversing it will rescue out economy is dubious.

We will have to see if Carney can promise to get back to balance (the rest of his caucus is another matter) but we know a Poilievre government is likely to move in the other direction and not just in harsh cuts to the disadvantaged but also cutting for ideological reasons programs that more than pay for themselves.