Canadian Federal Election

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by Drybrain

I really don’t want to be glib, because the pandemic was hard on everyone in different ways, but I’m imagining telling my grandfathers—who spent their early 20s crammed into tiny RCAF planes, flying nighttime missions over the Atlantic and being shot at by Nazis—that missing spring break was a trauma too far for Gen Z.

To be clear I believe that this actually did shift people’s political perceptions and allegiances. I just think that’s astonishing.

You're right and wrong. It's incredible how selfish and manipulable people are today. But also, to go back to your analogy of WWII, it's the incredible lack of a sense of shared sacrifice that has young people upset. They paid the highest social and economic costs. Boomers turned around and made housing even more expensive and out of reach. Boomer politicians (and their supporters) brought in a ton of cheap labour to suppress wages, and a lot of that fell on young people. We didn't do this to soldiers coming home from WWII. We built a ton of housing, gave them a lot of education and accepted a social obligation to repay their sacrifice. If we hadn't done those things, our returning veterans might have been just as angry as young people today.

[missing_middle]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

You're right and wrong. It's incredible how selfish and manipulable people are today. But also, to go back to your analogy of WWII, it's the incredible lack of a sense of shared sacrifice that has young people upset. They paid the highest social and economic costs. Boomers turned around and made housing even more expensive and out of reach. Boomer politicians (and their supporters) brought in a ton of cheap labour to suppress wages, and a lot of that fell on young people. We didn't do this to soldiers coming home from WWII. We built a ton of housing, gave them a lot of education and accepted a social obligation to repay their sacrifice. If we hadn't done those things, our returning veterans might have been just as angry as young people today.

Boomers unironically in a hypothetical American invasion: "We're going to war! And if *you* 22yr old survive this you can come back and continue to pay me $1000 a month for a room in my $1.5M house! Vive le Canada!!!"

Somewhat explains that poll about young people being less resistant to join the US imo.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by missing_middle

Somewhat explains that poll about young people being less resistant to join the US imo.

This part I don't get. Young people in the US didn't have a substantially different experience than here. But it was less severe.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

This part I don't get. Young people in the US didn't have a substantially different experience than here. But it was less severe.

“Grass is greener on the other side.”

[Marty_Mcfly]

Get ready for an early federal election, NDP tells candidates in an internal memo

The NDP's national campaign director has sent a memo to all candidates and campaign staff warning them to be prepared for a snap federal election as early as March 10.

CBC obtained a copy of the memo titled "Election timing and planning," sent on Wednesday to about 140 nominated candidates and their organizing teams.

"It is becoming more and more likely that Mark Carney will be the next Liberal leader on March 9th," Jennifer Howard, who is leading the NDP's 2025 federal campaign, wrote in the memo.

"If Mark Carney does win the leadership, we are hearing from many Ottawa sources that he intends on calling an election shortly after becoming Liberal leader."

...

More at: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/early-federal-election-ndp-1.7457788

This is what Jagmeet wanted, but the article continues with him saying that it'll be an attempt to turn a crisis into political benefit. Maybe he's changing his tune now that it's evident that NDP vote is hemorrhaging over to the Liberals.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Truenorth00

This part I don't get. Young people in the US didn't have a substantially different experience than here. But it was less severe.

Was there anywhere in the US where COVID restrictions were as stringent as in Canada, and lasted for as long?

Also, in terms of housing affordability, the US has tons of desirable places to live and build a career where housing remains as affordable as it was a generation or two ago in Canada.

So no, at least on the these metrics younger Americans aren't feeling the same way as young Canadians.

(They likely have other sources of anxiety and frustration, however.)

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Was there anywhere in the US where COVID restrictions were as stringent as in Canada, and lasted for as long?

Also, in terms of housing affordability, the US has tons of desirable places to live and build a career where housing remains as affordable as it was a generation or two ago in Canada.

So no, at least on the these metrics younger Americans aren't feeling the same way as young Canadians.

(They likely have other sources of anxiety and frustration, however.)

I think California was pretty similar. Long stretches of closed schools. Masks famously even on the beach. Their weather makes outdoor dining work better but they also shut down indoor dining. But young people also moved to Trump and especially in Blue states though I don't know if Covid restrictions are factor. Not as much as here but then Polievre isn't proposing to ban abortion and deport your classmates.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by Acajack

So no, at least on the these metrics younger Americans aren't feeling the same way as young Canadians.

Read what I wrote carefully.

I acknowledged that Americans had less severe consequences. But directionally it was the same for young Americans. It's not like they came out with an easier life than they went into the pandemic. By comparison, older cohorts on both sides of the border actually walked away from COVID richer.

[dleung]

Maple-MAGAs arguing that Canada<US... shocking, I tell ya!


I guess they expected Trudeau to override ER-simulation-based provincial covid restrictions and impose extra deaths on all the provinces to align more with the US

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by dleung

Maple-MAGAs arguing that Canada<US... shocking, I tell ya!

Only because the orange buffoon is in charge. If it was Kamala, things would be magically different.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by dleung

Maple-MAGAs arguing that Canada<US... shocking, I tell ya!


I guess they expected Trudeau to override ER-simulation-based provincial covid restrictions and impose extra deaths on all the provinces to align more with the US

The Feds kept their restrictions much longer than the provinces, federal rules were not lifted until late 2022, 18 months after the vulnerable were vaccinated, and more than a year after vaccines were widely available. I guess Trudeau and the COVID Karens didn’t believe in vaccines.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by acottawa

The Feds kept their restrictions much longer than the provinces, federal rules were not lifted until late 2022, 18 months after the vulnerable were vaccinated, and more than a year after vaccines were widely available. I guess Trudeau and the COVID Karens didn’t believe in vaccines.

Which restrictions were those? The border ones would be a mutual decision with the US, otherwise they are pointless.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Which restrictions were those? The border ones would be a mutual decision with the US, otherwise they are pointless.

The border restrictions also applied to flights to third countries that didn’t have travel restrictions. Federal employees were required to wear masks at work until 2023. Masking was also mandatory in trains and planes until October 2022, months or years after other jurisdictions abandoned the practice.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by acottawa

The border restrictions also applied to flights to third countries that didn’t have travel restrictions. Federal employees were required to wear masks at work until 2023. Masking was also mandatory in trains and planes until October 2022, months or years after other jurisdictions abandoned the practice.

Masks on a plane, definitely worth a convoy to Ottawa!

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Masks on a plane, definitely worth a convoy to Ottawa!

It was a symbol and a message to the provinces where the real restrictions were. The impetus for the Convoy being the border crossing was maybe ridiculous given it was bilateral but the first few days of the convoy actually spurred Ontario and Quebec at least to get rid of their restrictions which were clearly 6+ months overdue. The Convoy probably led to the feds keeping their restrictions longer. But it all goes back to the election 2021 call where Trudeau saw a chance for a minority and took advantage of the strong majority of Canadians who remained in favor of as many restrictions as possible. Even if they flew to Florida or otherwise flouted.

It's very much water under the bridge unless you lost your job or didn't see your significant other etc. But it's also relevant because that 2021 election call is the inflection point of a lot of where we find ourselves.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

It's very much water under the bridge unless you lost your job or didn't see your significant other etc. But it's also relevant because that 2021 election call is the inflection point of a lot of where we find ourselves.

Trudeau should have called another election at the height of the convoy in 2022 and he might be sitting on a majority.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Trudeau should have called another election at the height of the convoy in 2022 and he might be sitting on a majority.

He couldn't call another one but it's interesting counter factual if he hadn't gone in 2021 and Convoy still happens does he win at that time as Conservatives implode and almost all swing voters repulsed by the Convoy.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

He couldn't call another one but it's interesting counter factual if he hadn't gone in 2021 and Convoy still happens does he win at that time as Conservatives implode and almost all swing voters repulsed by the Convoy.

What prevented him from calling an election?

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

What prevented him from calling an election?

People were mad about the opportunistic call in 2021. You can't call an election a few months later. The Liberal lead was largely Conservatives going to the PPC so if we assume that fades in an actual campaign it may have ended up the same as 2021 anyway.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by dleung

Maple-MAGAs arguing that Canada<US... shocking, I tell ya!


I guess they expected Trudeau to override ER-simulation-based provincial covid restrictions and impose extra deaths on all the provinces to align more with the US

How many of those extra deaths were directly because of the federal government??? Revera care homes anyone???