Canadian Federal Election

[samne]

Originally Posted by P'tit Renard

I find it hard to believe the traditional working class base (the types that would rally behind Rachel Notley) would view PP as the mad king. This would be the viewpoint of champagne socialists ensconced and protected from the real world within their lofty Annex-Beaches domain.

If they had to pick their poison, Singh is still more palatable than a former central banker.

Beaches-EY is my Riding and can tell you that demographics are changing. The city is expensive and not just any public service worker can easily live here anymore.

The Municipal Councilor for this riding is Brad Bradford I would say an Ontario PC. A thorn in Chow's side.

The new PCs are the Brad Bradford and Stephen Lecce's.

The Liberals may keep it, but its not a stranglehold anymore.

[whatnext]

Looks like our own techbros are going to take a page from the Muskbag's book and insert themselves into the Canadian election. If anyone uses Shopify here, replace it.

Canada tech leaders launch group to promote political upheaval
Lower donation limits prevent the influence playbook used during the U.S. election from being employed in Canada
Author of the article: Bloomberg News
Thomas Seal
Published Feb 04, 2025

A group with the backing of top Canadian tech entrepreneurs has launched an effort to promote policies ahead of a general election this year.

The “Build Canada” website appeared on Tuesday with a list of supporters featuring several members of the executive team at Shopify Inc., venture capitalist and entrepreneur Anthony Lacavera, as well as the co-founders of artificial intelligence startup Cohere Inc. and fintech startup Wealthsimple Inc. Its core team includes former Shopify vice president Daniel Debow and former government official Lucy Hargreaves, now head of corporate affairs at tech company Patch...

https://financialpost.com/news/canada-tech-leaders-launch-political-upheaval-group



In case anyone missed the other news around Lutke and Shopify this week:

The head of one of Canada’s largest companies has criticized the federal government’s decision to impose retaliatory tariffs on the United States, saying the move is “simply the wrong choice” and that better options were available.

Shopify CEO Lütke says Canada’s tariff response ‘the wrong choice’
Joe Castaldo
Published February 2, 2025
Updated Yesterday
For Subscribers

The head of one of Canada’s largest companies has criticized the federal government’s decision to impose retaliatory tariffs on the United States, saying the move is “simply the wrong choice” and that better options were available.
Shopify Inc. founder and chief executive Tobi Lütke wrote in a post on X on Saturday that he is disappointed by the decision of U.S. President Donald Trump to impose 25-per-cent tariffs on Canadian goods. But he is also “disappointed” in Canada’s response, and appeared to take at face value Mr. Trump’s insistence that he is punishing the country with tariffs because of lax border controls and fentanyl smuggling.

“Trump believes that Canada has not held its side of the bargain, and he set terms to prove that we still work together: get the borders under control and crack down on fentanyl dens,” Mr. Lütke wrote. “Leadership is about doing what’s right, not what is popular. And hitting back will not lead to anything good. America will shrug it off. Canada will decline.”...

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business...anadas-tariff-response-the-wrong-choice/

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Does that translate into Official Opposition for the Liberals, or would the Bloc still be in play?

The current number would mean the Liberals would be official opposition almost for sure. The only way they wouldn't is if they get defeated by narrow margins in quite a few seats. The NDP has been losing support the the Liberals and there's the possibility of some NDP seats going Liberal under current polling numbers.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Upon that foul orange wind blowing into Canada from the South, Canadian sovereignty has suddenly become the top issue for voters. People can hate the Liberals and Trudeau all they want, but one thing is that they are not lickspittals and apologists for Trump.

That's for sure!!

If anyone missed it, here is PP's response to the Trump tariff threats. Listen to how angry he sounds. In my opinion he won't have a good election campaign if he talks this way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nErKVIzDc-M

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

The main hatred was for JT and his performative virtue signaling nonsense. This was followed closely by disdain and contempt for their horrible economic and taxation policies. Immigration was another nail in the coffin.

The worm has turned however.

- JT is on the way out.
- the carbon tax will soon be gone, and it appears the recent capital gains changes will now be history as well.
- the immigration pipeline has been turned off
- a Mad King has arisen in the south threatening the very existence of Canada itself.

Most of the irritants are gone. The critical issue is the Orange Buffoon. Which party will be the best in combating this existential threat?

PP may be seen as too closely aligned with the Orange Buffoon. This could prove toxic. So far the Liberal efforts seem to be working.

I think the upcoming federal election is now up for grabs. I don't think PP should be that keen on forcing an immediate election. It might be better to let things play out and see..........

You're right that PP wanting an election ASAP may not work well for him. And you're right that many voters will likely see PP as being too much like Trump. What's really weird is that PP has changed from "Axe the Tax" to "Canada First" which is pretty much emulating Trump with "America First." Like couldn't he and his team come up with something more original? Even if he had taken the Harper campaign slogan from 2006 "Stand Up for Canada" it would be much more effective. Many companies go back to using previous slogans if they can't think of a good new one.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Loco101

You're right that PP wanting an election ASAP may not work well for him. And you're right that many voters will likely see PP as being too much like Trump. What's really weird is that PP has changed from "Axe the Tax" to "Canada First" which is pretty much emulating Trump with "America First." Like couldn't he and his team come up with something more original? Even if he had taken the Harper campaign slogan from 2006 "Stand Up for Canada" it would be much more effective. Many companies go back to using previous slogans if they can't think of a good new one.

He's lost any contrast. Nobody can accuse Trudeau of not putting Canada first over these past few weeks. He needs to say we need to do this AND x y z which is probably make our economy resilient after 9 years of neglect. Say Trudeau is doing the best with the economy we have but it should be stronger. Canadians see through his incessant call for parliament to be recalled and just makes him look power hungry.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Loco101

You're right that PP wanting an election ASAP may not work well for him. And you're right that many voters will likely see PP as being too much like Trump. What's really weird is that PP has changed from "Axe the Tax" to "Canada First" which is pretty much emulating Trump with "America First." Like couldn't he and his team come up with something more original? Even if he had taken the Harper campaign slogan from 2006 "Stand Up for Canada" it would be much more effective. Many companies go back to using previous slogans if they can't think of a good new one.

Why is that weird? Axe the Tax is no longer relevant as both leading Liberal contenders says they'll do that anyway. "Canada First" lets voters know he's not going to tow the Trump line on tariffs.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by P'tit Renard

I find those NDP numbers hard to believe too. Singh is a grossly incompetent politician, but 9% would literally mean the NDP losing their traditional floor of support. Except amongst the champagne socialist Annex-Beaches crowd, I found it hard to believe that the traditional NDP base will rally around Carney.

If it means trying to prevent the PP conservatives from winning then many NDP supporters would vote Liberal. It has happened both federally and provincially in my lifetime.

The NDP has only fallen below 15% a couple of times provincially in elections in 1999 and 2003....

BUT federally in Ontario:

The NDP received only 6% of the total votes in Ontario in 1993, 10.7% in 1997, 8.3% in 2000, 18.1% in 2004, 19.4% in 2006, 18.2% in 2008, 25.6% in 2011, 16.6% in 2015, 16.8% in 2019 and 17.8% in 2021.

So the low point was 6% and the high was 25.6%.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by q12

Axe the Tax is now ... wait for it..... Stop the Drugs

Wow, that has such a 1980s Ronald Reagan vibe. But so lame sounding. You know PP and his team are in trouble when they keep changing the slogan and each new slogan is pretty bad.

[kwoldtimer]

I had to give my head a shake at PP's comments about a "Drug Czar". He condemned the Liberals for taking action only when obliged to do so by Trump. But his announcement contains new policy proposals - why did he not introduce them a long time ago, there was nothing preventing him from doing so. Once again, I feel he has flubbed it.

Whatever is happening to him, he needs to shake it off.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Loco101

Wow, that has such a 1980s Ronald Reagan vibe. But so lame sounding. You know PP and his team are in trouble when they keep changing the slogan and each new slogan is pretty bad.

I thought "Slug the Drugs" might have been better ...

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

It's not PP that's the Mad King. It's the fear he might be the Mad King's stooge.

This will be PP's Achille's Heel, and there's not too much he can do about it other than going out of his way to denounce the insane baboon, but, this might not play well with certain parts of his base that might flee towards the People's Party.

He's truly stuck between a rock and a hard place. Does he want to seem reasonable and centrist, or, does he want to appeal to the fundamentalist freedumb wing of the party.

I know what I would prefer him to do, but, does he have the balls to jettison the freedumb types........

EXACTLY that!!

PP made a number of very bad moves that may come back and hurt him politically. His support of the Freedom Convoy people is supporting basically the Maple MAGA people. He made everything he talked about too much about Trudeau and not the governing Liberals. He hasn't been very clear about where he stands on most issues.

You are right about PP being stuck between a rock and a hard place. He is now in limbo more than ever and has changed the slogans on the sign in front of him a lot lately as nothing he is trying is playing well. He was angry at Trudeau which played well due to Trudeau's unpopularity but if he acts the same way to Carney he will look ridiculous.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Why is that weird? Axe the Tax is no longer relevant as both leading Liberal contenders says they'll do that anyway. "Canada First" lets voters know he's not going to tow the Trump line on tariffs.

The only thing that we really know that he stands for is becoming boring and irrelevant. The "Canada First" is too much like Trump. Like I wrote before, he needs a better slogan if people are to take him seriously.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

I thought "Slug the Drugs" might have been better ...

The best of all would be "Dump the Trump!"

How about those egg prices?

[WarrenC12]

It would be hilarious if Carney becomes PM and decides to call a snap election. PP has been whining about one for a year and suddenly wants to wait?

[Hecate]

Hello echo chamber. sorry to burst your bubbles but 338 still has Pierre taking a majority.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Hello echo chamber. sorry to burst your bubbles but 338 still has Pierre taking a majority.

So why does he not want to call an election immediately? What changed?

[acottawa]

I don’t understand the hand wringing from the Liberals on this thread. Every poll in recent weeks including the Ekos robo poll has the Tories in the low 40s and the Liberals in the low 20s. That is a crushing liberal defeat. Is there some internal polling somebody has access to?

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by acottawa

I don’t understand the hand wringing from the Liberals on this thread. Every poll in recent weeks including the Ekos robo poll has the Tories in the low 40s and the Liberals in the low 20s. That is a crushing liberal defeat. Is there some internal polling somebody has access to?

Or, as someone once said, the election campaign hasn’t begun yet. The numbers may carry more weight at that time.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Or, as someone once said, the election campaign hasn’t begun yet. The numbers may carry more weight at that time.

True, but polls a few months before an election are usually pretty indicative of the final result. Also, there is no evidence of the ongoing PP collapse the Liberals are talking about.