Canadian Federal Election

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by whatnext

What a lapdog he is.

More like he’s smartening up. His party currently has more power than they’ve had since the 1970s. Triggering an election as soon as possible will likely result in a Conservative majority and the NDP lose all their power. Holding off on the election gives them a much better chance to hold the CPC to a minority where the NDP will at least retain some power in the House of Commons.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

More like he’s smartening up. His party currently has more power than they’ve had since the 1970s. Triggering an election as soon as possible will likely result in a Conservative majority and the NDP lose all their power. Holding off on the election gives them a much better chance to hold the CPC to a minority where the NDP will at least retain some power in the House of Commons.

That may come down to how severely the tariff will impact the grocery bills and other expenses. If the impacts are severe enough, holding off will give PP a lot of materials for his attack ads, and people might believe him.

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

That may come down to how severely the tariff will impact the grocery bills and other expenses. If the impacts are severe enough, holding off will give PP a lot of materials for his attack ads, and people might believe him.

You last 2 posts seem to contravene each other. We know when the LPC leadership is and we know when Trump says the tariffs are coming in. No reason we have been given the last week to think Trump won't be putting those in place 4 days from now. So what attack ads does PP get out of that? We still have a government in place with the power to put in tariffs of our own in response. It's not like PP can legitimately claim the government was frozen while Trump put in tariffs, although I'm sure he will try. And our grocery bills won't go up unless we put in our own tariffs, which would mean the government was replying to Trump, and not frozen out, thereby showing PP's attempts to say otherwise to be false.

[Dengler Avenue]

We still have a government in place with the power to put in tariffs of our own in response.

Even during prorogation? (I’m actually not familiar with how it works.)

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Even during prorogation? (I’m actually not familiar with how it works.)

Yes, tariffs can be imposed during prorogation. The Government then has a period of time (6 months?) before it needs to present them to Parliament.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Even during prorogation? (I’m actually not familiar with how it works.)

In Canada the acts of parliament tends to be high level that is voted on in parliament and is intrenched in law. The details are left to regulations that don't need to be approved by parliament, but instead are delegated to a minister or to cabinet.

If it is delegated to cabinet, then cabinet votes on in, and its signed by the governor general as an order-in-council. Cabinet meets regularly.

If it is delegated to the minister, then the minister can just act.

Structural changes to taxes or the budget usually has to go back to parliament. That said there is some wiggle room that cabinet has.

[ssiguy]

Prorogation is not a shut down of gov't but rather a shut down of Parliament no different than the Parliamentary recesses of Summer. The gov't cannot introduce new laws but it doesn't need to as it can just re-write the regulations.

When gov't "change the law", they are simply changing the regulation on how the law is enforced and implemented. An example is when CPP payments are raised it doesn't mean that the entire CPP law has to be rewritten and presented in The House every single year. A budget must be presented to The House once a year and is a "confidence motion' and the norm has always been in the early Spring but that is not set in stone which is why some budgets are presented as early as February while other in April but the gov't continues as per the previous budget parameters so you don't have these ridiculous shut downs of gov't like you do in the US.

[theman23]

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[theman23]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Trade and commerce, including interprovincial trade, is the exclusive jurisdiction of the federal government under S.91(2).

Not really. Things like workplace safety standards, recognition of professional certifications, the need for local business registration, as well as even vehicle and road standards are all under provincial control and are significant trade barriers.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

That may come down to how severely the tariff will impact the grocery bills and other expenses. If the impacts are severe enough, holding off will give PP a lot of materials for his attack ads, and people might believe him.

Canada is going to try and Tariff things that won't trigger inflation. Though outside the box thinking could subsidize transport for say European Fruit and Veg. Especially say Florida citrus. Meanwhile US tariffs on things like beef should lower prices here as Canadian producers lose their export market (there is no other market for our hormone ladled beef.

It's the job losses from the US tariffs that will bite and why silly talk suggesting Canada not enter a trade war as if it was our choice.

[casper]

Originally Posted by theman23

Not really. Things like workplace safety standards, recognition of professional certifications, the need for local business registration, as well as even vehicle and road standards are all under provincial control and are significant trade barriers.

Most "things" flow across without barriers. The key exception is agricultural products. Liquor is a big one in that in most provinces the local distribution board is the exclusive distributor.

Some it is self selecting. If your a meat packer, you can chose to be federally inspected or provincially inspected. If your federally inspected you can sell anywhere, if your provincially you can only sell locally in your province.

Services are a different story. God there is no shortage of professional societies that see a need regulate services.

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Canada is going to try and Tariff things that won't trigger inflation. Though outside the box thinking could subsidize transport for say European Fruit and Veg. Especially say Florida citrus. Meanwhile US tariffs on things like beef should lower prices here as Canadian producers lose their export market (there is no other market for our hormone ladled beef.

It's the job losses from the US tariffs that will bite and why silly talk suggesting Canada not enter a trade war as if it was our choice.

Some of this stuff is weird. When I go into my local grocery store, most of the meat is from Australia. I this goes on, I would be all for adopting similar beef standards as the EU, and we trade with them. The US product is then excluded.

Oranges are all over the map. Sometimes the US, other times Australia, South Africa, Morocco or Spain.

I think we are going to see a move towards more Mexico and South American fresh product.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by casper

Some of this stuff is weird. When I go into my local grocery store, most of the meat is from Australia. I this goes on, I would be all for adopting similar beef standards as the EU, and we trade with them. The US product is then excluded.

We have an organic beer quota under CETA. We have never filled it, our organic beef industry is not competitive, probably due to snow.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by acottawa

We have an organic beer quota under CETA. We have never filled it, our organic beef industry is not competitive, probably due to snow.

It doesn't have to be full organic just meet EU Standards mostly not use all the crazy hormones that basically are banned everywhere but Canada and the US.

If we adopted their standards we would be competitive. It's mostly about scale. Of course beef would be more expensive and potentially not marbled the same great North American way.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by casper

Most "things" flow across without barriers. The key exception is agricultural products. Liquor is a big one in that in most provinces the local distribution board is the exclusive distributor.

Some it is self selecting. If your a meat packer, you can chose to be federally inspected or provincially inspected. If your federally inspected you can sell anywhere, if your provincially you can only sell locally in your province.

Services are a different story. God there is no shortage of professional societies that see a need regulate services.



Some of this stuff is weird. When I go into my local grocery store, most of the meat is from Australia. I this goes on, I would be all for adopting similar beef standards as the EU, and we trade with them. The US product is then excluded.

Oranges are all over the map. Sometimes the US, other times Australia, South Africa, Morocco or Spain.

I think we are going to see a move towards more Mexico and South American fresh product.

There has already been a huge move by retailers in not buying fruit and vegetables from the US. The main reason is that they cost more mainly due to the exchange rate. It's cheaper to buy them from Mexico, Europe, South Africa and more.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

It doesn't have to be full organic just meet EU Standards mostly not use all the crazy hormones that basically are banned everywhere but Canada and the US.

If we adopted their standards we would be competitive. It's mostly about scale. Of course beef would be more expensive and potentially not marbled the same great North American way.

EU standards are effectively organic. Cattle cannot be given GMO fodder (which in North America means no soybeans and no corn). It makes sense in an Austrian valley where you can keep your cattle outdoors year around and feed them grass. In Canada you need to keep cattle indoors much of the year and feed them something you have purchased or harvested. Scale doesn’t really help (the EU knows this, it is a not trade barrier to keep North American beef out).

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

More like he’s smartening up. His party currently has more power than they’ve had since the 1970s. Triggering an election as soon as possible will likely result in a Conservative majority and the NDP lose all their power. Holding off on the election gives them a much better chance to hold the CPC to a minority where the NDP will at least retain some power in the House of Commons.

Hardly. It will be even easier to paint Singh as the Liberal’s cuck. There won’t be any change voting for them. No wonder their former base of blue collar workers has deserted them.

[theman23]

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[casper]

Originally Posted by acottawa

EU standards are effectively organic. Cattle cannot be given GMO fodder (which in North America means no soybeans and no corn). It makes sense in an Austrian valley where you can keep your cattle outdoors year around and feed them grass. In Canada you need to keep cattle indoors much of the year and feed them something you have purchased or harvested. Scale doesn’t really help (the EU knows this, it is a not trade barrier to keep North American beef out).

While I am ok buying organic, I usually just get the regular stuff. What is weird in the grocery store usually has a mix of domestic and Australian sourced beef. There is no premium on the Australian product. Not certain if their cost of production is lower or they are deeply discounting.

I shop in Walmart (for the center store stuff) and sometimes produce. (I usually don't get meet from them). For us on the coast I am fairly certain the Walmart beef is out of Alberta. When the highways links to Alberta have been blocked within days the shelves are empty.

I usually buy meet/poultry/fish from independent grocery stores (price is better and selection). When walmart/lobaws/sobey's shelves are empty, the independents are fully stocked. They usually sell local beef and Australian interchangeably. Given the extra complexity of transport across the pacific there has to be a cost advantage to product from Australia.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Canada is going to try and Tariff things that won't trigger inflation. Though outside the box thinking could subsidize transport for say European Fruit and Veg. Especially say Florida citrus. Meanwhile US tariffs on things like beef should lower prices here as Canadian producers lose their export market (there is no other market for our hormone ladled beef.

It's the job losses from the US tariffs that will bite and why silly talk suggesting Canada not enter a trade war as if it was our choice.

Tariffing American products hurts us. We'll need to do some of that to send a message. But a smarter strategy would be to simply support industry and immediately start a wholesale realignment. Commodities to China. Tech, auto, defence with Europe, Japan and South Korea. They will all be looking for a way to cut the US out too. And we start with real industrial policy. No more pussyfooting around supporting our national champions. Give Bombardier development contracts to compete against Americans in some product markets. Give Shopify whatever resources it needs to compete with EBay, Square, etc. Join some of the multilateral EU ideas like their proposals to create pooled servers and processor farms for their tech sector. It's important that we don't just think of tit for tat. The strategy has to sufficiently long term and comprehensive that Wall Street and Silicon Valley threaten to fund the opponent of any Republican who supports this.

Any chance there's Canadian leaders who actually think like this? Sadly not. I think Poilievre thinks bending over harder is how he gets results. And Trudeau doesn't have the stones to be a wartime leader willing to go on offence with strategy. Just rhetoric. But if we want to actually beat this and teach the Americans a lesson that lasts, this is the only way.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Perhaps another interesting poll question would be, "Who will better resist Trump's fascist aims on Canada?"

I can't help but believe that Carney would be pretty incorruptible in that regard, while Poilievre, I'm not so sure he wouldn't resist being the Il Duce to Trump's, well, you know who....