Quebec, the French Language, and Quebecois Identity

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Acajack

https://www.lesoleil.com/actualites/poli...e-que-la-caq-F54H7HTKIREQJEFECIGJSACPEU/

PQ 34
CAQ 25
PLQ 15
QS 12
PCQ 11

Not sure why but I thought that was seats at first. Clearly even a 9 point lead gives the PQ a pretty big majority. Though CAQ is only a good campaign or a new issue away from making it a tight race.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Not sure why but I thought that was seats at first. Clearly even a 9 point lead gives the PQ a pretty big majority. Though CAQ is only a good campaign or a new issue away from making it a tight race.

The election is only in Oct. 2026, so in theory the CAQ still has lots of time to turn things around.

But as the article points out, the PQ's lead has now remained steady for about a year.

The CAQ, as a fairly new governing party, stole most of its voters from existing parties, especially the PQ and PLQ. As long as they're not dead there is always a chance these parties can get their people back. That appears to be happening with the PQ. Not so much with the PLQ.

[Acajack]

Seat projections based on those poll numbers

PQ 70
LIB 31
CAQ 9
QS 8

(The PQ and CAQ fight more over the same voters than the Liberals, which explains why the CAQ ends up being a big loser here.)

https://qc125.com/

[New Brisavoine]

The FT article has some ugly details about the phone cal between Trump and the Danish prime ministeress. I wouldn't like to be Trudeau and have to answer a call from Trump... The guy can be pretty violent verbally.

Anyway, as a Frenchman, like many Frenchmen who follow international politics, I am quite in a Schadenfreude mood looking how the Danes are being mauled by the US. They were the most pro-US and anti-French in Europe, always opposing France's calls for a common European defense independent of the US. They are reaping what they sowed now.

PS: Various readers of the article (if you don't know the FT, the reader comments there are usually more 'high caliber' than in other newspapers) are suggesting Canada should join the EU to protect itself. I think that's not very realistic...

[kwoldtimer]

I know we wouldn't dare in the present circumstances, but wouldn't it be fantastic if Canada could invite the Danish and Greenland PMs to a follow-up meeting in Canada to look at alternatives.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

PS: Various readers of the article (if you don't know the FT, the reader comments there are usually more 'high caliber' than in other newspapers) are suggesting Canada should join the EU to protect itself. I think that's not very realistic...

I would personally not be adverse to at least negotiating with the EU about the possibility of joining Europe.

Culturally we may be more similar to the Americans, but politically and institutionally we are closer to Europe, and have similar sensibilities regarding the importance of the social welfare state.

Also, in any North American union we would be overwhelmed by the US since they are 9x our size. In Europe, at 41.5M our population is similar to Poland or Spain, and we would have a more equal seat at the table.

Plus it would really piss Donald Trump off.

I'm all for negotiations!!!

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

I know we wouldn't dare in the present circumstances, but wouldn't it be fantastic if Canada could invite the Danish and Greenland PMs to a follow-up meeting in Canada to look at alternatives.

We should invite Panama too.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

I would personally not be adverse to at least negotiating with the EU about the possibility of joining Europe.

Culturally we may be more similar to the Americans, but politically and institutionally we are closer to Europe, and have similar sensibilities regarding the importance of the social welfare state.

Also, in any North American union we would be overwhelmed by the US since they are 9x our size. In Europe, at 41.5M our population is similar to Poland or Spain, and we would have a more equal seat at the table.

Plus it would really piss Donald Trump off.

I'm all for negotiations!!!

If it's not the USA, we'll need either the EU or China. Personally, I'd prefer the EU.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

I would personally not be adverse to at least negotiating with the EU about the possibility of joining Europe.

Culturally we may be more similar to the Americans, but politically and institutionally we are closer to Europe, and have similar sensibilities regarding the importance of the social welfare state.

Also, in any North American union we would be overwhelmed by the US since they are 9x our size. In Europe, at 41.5M our population is similar to Poland or Spain, and we would have a more equal seat at the table.

Plus it would really piss Donald Trump off.

I'm all for negotiations!!!

I think most (i.e. all except perhaps only France) EU countries wouldn't want to start negotiations with Canada for fear of angering Trump.

Also, from an economical point of view it would be impractical as it would force you to end all your trade agreements with the US. The EU is a full common market. It would be too much of a change for Canada for your political establishment to really contemplate it, even if the US president was a total lamb who would never retaliate against anything Canada did.

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

In Europe, at 41.5M our population is similar to Poland or Spain, and we would have a more equal seat at the table.

I think you'd be up there with Italy in 2nd division, behind France and Germany, the top "couple", but above Spain and Poland which are 3rd division. That's roughly the pecking order.

Some would worry that admitting Canada would introduce a new eurosceptic country in the EU (after we finally got rid of the UK). That's why some oppose Norway and Iceland's entrance, because they don't want eurosceptic countries in the EU.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

We should invite Panama too.

That's basically what Ignatieff was saying the other day in his FT interview: organizing in Ottawa a conference of Canada, Panama, and the EU countries (plus presumably also the Greenlandic PM I suppose).

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

If it's not the USA, we'll need either the EU or China. Personally, I'd prefer the EU.

You don't like Xi's style of government?

At least with Xi you'd get 20 subway lines in Toronto built in 12 years, plus a maglev 500 km/h line to Toronto airport, plus 320 km/h high-speed line to Montréal, plus a complete fleet of electric vehicles replacing all your pollution-emitting cars in all Canadian cities. And he would CRUSH Québec sovereignism.

Seems like a dream come true, no?

PS: Oh, I forgot about that road bridge from Newfoundland to Labrador, plus another road bridge from Vancouver to Victoria. La hotte du Père Noël chinois est pleine pour les enfants sages.

[New Brisavoine]

The guy who will be in charge of invading you (when it comes to that).

(America is officially nuts)

[MolsonExport]

is that for real? Jesus. What a freak

[New Brisavoine]

His boss is not bad either.

[1overcosc]

If even Hegseth managed to get through the Senate that's a clear sign that RFK and Gabbard will as well. Buckle up!

[MolsonExport]

anybody that feels the need to get "We the people" (along with all that other garbage latin crap) tattooed on their arm is seriously disturbed.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

is that for real? Jesus. What a freak

It is real from what I've researched:

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/pete-he...s-arm-tattoos-mean--UCaRqJK65pWFPewARBiF

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

anybody that feels the need to get "We the people" (along with all that other garbage latin crap) tattooed on their arm is seriously disturbed.

Funny enough, "We the people" is actually the least concerning of those tattoos. (The meaning of those other ones are a bit more obscure but... oh boy. Have fun looking them up).

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

anybody that feels the need to get "We the people" (along with all that other garbage latin crap) tattooed on their arm is seriously disturbed.

Yes, absolutely a sign of not so good mental health. And I'm not laughing or making fun of that at all. It's very disturbing for someone who just got into the position he's in. My bet is that he'll be fired in a year or two. But very scary possibilities with and and Trump having so much power.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by Loco101

It is real from what I've researched:

You thought I didn't post real stuff?