Canadian Federal Election - Page 7

theman23 · #**121** Posted **Jan 25, 2025, 4:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wigs

Poilievre and his wife are literally landlords.
You think he actually wants to fix housing?

Dude's been sucking off the government teet for 21 years, eligible for full government pension at age 31. Never brought any meaningful legislation forward in the House of Commons in his over 2 decades as an MP.

I laugh at you anti government waste types loving this guy. He should be the poster child of everything you guys claim to rail against.

I don't either of you or Hecate's criticisms re: investments are valid. Crysthia is also a landlord, the Trudeau family's wealth was built on real estate, and its very likely that a high net worth individual like Carney has some real estate in his portfolio even if being a landlord is beneath him.

1overcosc · #**122** Posted **Jan 25, 2025, 5:03 PM**

PP's long tenure in Parliament without much cabinet experience is one of the few things that makes me like him, actually. MPs in our system don't really have any real power but they certainly see the sausages getting made. So a long time MP has seen a lot, but can still credibly be an outsider.

If we apply this logic to the LPC, their best leadership candidate would be Hedy Fry.

I wonder why Ms. Fry is so invisible. She has a very long tenure and she's a black woman too. You'd think JT would have loved to put in her cabinet. What's up with that?

Hecate · #**123** Posted **Jan 25, 2025, 5:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by theman23

I don't either of you or Hecate's criticisms re: investments are valid. Crysthia is also a landlord, the Trudeau family's wealth was built on real estate, and its very likely that a high net worth individual like Carney has some real estate in his portfolio even if being a landlord is beneath him.

You think advocating to shut down Canadas “dirty” oil industry, while investing in foreign oil and coal is okay.

Hecate · #**124** Posted **Jan 25, 2025, 5:16 PM**

I can’t stand “do as I say, not as I do” people.

EnvisionSaintJohn · #**125** Posted **Jan 25, 2025, 5:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by 1overcosc

PP's long tenure in Parliament without much cabinet experience is one of the few things that makes me like him, actually. MPs in our system don't really have any real power but they certainly see the sausages getting made. So a long time MP has seen a lot, but can still credibly be an outsider.

If we apply this logic to the LPC, their best leadership candidate would be Hedy Fry.

I wonder why Ms. Fry is so invisible. She has a very long tenure and she's a black woman too. You'd think JT would have loved to put in her cabinet. What's up with that?

PP should def come up with a slogan that plays up his outsider cred.

Build.It · #**126** Posted **Jan 25, 2025, 5:23 PM**

Where the hell is Carney?

He announced his leadership a week ago, and hasn't made a single appearance or announcement since then. There is only 6 weeks left before the election and he has yet to reveal a single position on literally anything.

kwoldtimer · #**127** Posted **Jan 25, 2025, 5:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by Build.It

Where the hell is Carney?

He announced his leadership a week ago, and hasn't made a single appearance or announcement since then. There is only 6 weeks left before the election and he has yet to reveal a single position on literally anything.

He really does need to get out this coming week. So far, he seems more involved with rounding up cabinet support.

1overcosc · #**128** Posted **Jan 25, 2025, 5:26 PM**

Same with Freeland, really. Other than few media headlines about some flipflop announcements, we haven't seen her around either.

I suppose it takes time to start up a campaign. The era we live in now is so fast paced I think we're forgetting that it's only been three weeks since Trudeau resigned.

EnvisionSaintJohn · #**129** Posted **Jan 25, 2025, 5:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Build.It

Where the hell is Carney?

He announced his leadership a week ago, and hasn't made a single appearance or announcement since then. There is only 6 weeks left before the election and he has yet to reveal a single position on literally anything.

Wouldn’t be so sure the election is in 6 weeks. It’s up to Mr. Singh, who could very well change his mind and hold off on triggering an election as soon as possible.

Carney’s been quite active on social media, and racking up the endorsements.

1overcosc · #**130** Posted **Jan 25, 2025, 5:28 PM**

Crosspost:

Abacus is releasing a poll early next week. Apparently matching Mainstreet's numbers - approx 20 point CPC lead. Returning to November 2024 numbers.

Build.It · #**131** Posted **Jan 25, 2025, 5:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

Wouldn’t be so sure the election is in 6 weeks. It’s up to Mr. Singh, who could very well change his mind and hold off on triggering an election as soon as possible.

Carney’s been quite active on social media, and racking up the endorsements.

The LPC election is on March 9. That is 6 weeks from now.

EnvisionSaintJohn · #**132** Posted **Jan 25, 2025, 5:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Build.It

The LPC election is on March 9. That is 6 weeks from now.

Yes it is.

The question is will it be a close race, or a Carney coronation?

Freeland may very well be taking one for the team to make the race seem more competitive and make Carney seem like even more of an outsider than he already is.

Build.It · #**133** Posted **Jan 25, 2025, 5:39 PM**

They'll figure out a way to get most of the competition to drop out before the 9th. If Trudeau wants Carney to be his replacement, then Carney will be his replacement.

kwoldtimer · #**134** Posted **Jan 25, 2025, 5:43 PM**

I see Anita Anand is supporting Carney.

1overcosc · #**135** Posted **Jan 25, 2025, 5:43 PM**

Coletto retweeted an analysis I saw a while ago that I posted about here before but couldn't find it at the time.

https://x.com/DavidColetto/status/1883122101298868225?t=gLJphrpmP5E0d8e4Z0uF1g&s=19

The narrative that being "socially progressive and fiscally conservative" is some sweet spot is totally false. Only 6% of the electorate is like that. The opposite combination - being fiscally progressive and socially conservative - is actually much more common at 21% of the electorate.

Overall:
-24% are progressive both economically & socially
-17% are conservative both economically & socially
-6% are conservative economically but progressive socially
-21% are progressive economically but conservative socially

On social issues 30% are progressive and 36% are conservative.

On economic issues 45% are progressive and only 23% are conservative.

So the "conventional wisdom" - that everyone is socially progressive and only economics is the basis for difference between left & right, meaning the conservatives have to appeal to "balanced budget+ social liberalism" to be electable - is actually complete hogwash.

Canadians overwhelmingly prefer - by a margin of more than two to one - left wing economic policy. But on social cultural policy Canadians are more divided with a slight plurality actually being conservative.

Coletto then goes on to note that the CPC is very popular right now with the "socially conservative + economically progressive" side of the quadrant which feels very alienated by the "pink haired politics" of the LPC and the NDP.

This also suggests that PP will become very unpopular shortly after taking office, Starmer style, as he'll interpret his win as a mandate of austerity when it's not.

It also suggests the logical approach for Carney or Freeland is not to move right on economics, but to stay the course on being economically progressive while moving right on social-cultural issues.

1overcosc · #**136** Posted **Jan 25, 2025, 5:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

If Singh were to back down now on the vow to bring down the Government, any credibility that he has would be completely shot.

I see Anita Anand is supporting Carney.

Singh literally just repeated this vow this week. Singh is a bit of a weathervane so I wouldn't rule out him changing his mind but I don't think it's likely.

If Carney wins I could see him dropping the writ immediately instead of letting Parliament return. If his goal is to move to the centre, making a deal with the NDP is very counterproductive to that. I think Freeland would try to hang on, though.

Wigs · #**137** Posted **Jan 25, 2025, 6:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

PP should def come up with a slogan that plays up his outsider cred.

Yeah, 21 years in and he's still a fresh faced rebel rouser ready to shake up the House of Commons

Wigs · #**138** Posted **Jan 25, 2025, 6:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by theman23

I don't either of you or Hecate's criticisms re: investments are valid. Crysthia is also a landlord, the Trudeau family's wealth was built on real estate, and its very likely that a high net worth individual like Carney has some real estate in his portfolio even if being a landlord is beneath him.

Good points. They all profit off the current setup so it's likely no one will change it when it comes to housing and affordability.

whatnext · #**139** Posted **Jan 25, 2025, 6:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

I see Anita Anand is supporting Carney.

So much for very good friends in the Liberal Party:

….At the time, Ms. Anand said the news of Ms. Freeland’s decision had hit her really hard. Ms. Anand called Ms. Freeland a good friend.…

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics...and-backs-carney-for-liberal-leadership/

1overcosc · #**140** Posted **Jan 25, 2025, 6:42 PM**

Anand is the first Liberal MP who is "one of the good ones" (in my opinion) to endorse Carney. A lot of the other "voice of reason" MPs (like Ken McDonald and Anthony Housefather) have endorsed Freeland.