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[Wynnefieldest]

Originally Posted by reparcsyks

Ok, you’re just trolling us now.

Wait....stating facts are now considered trolling? Im gen x but evidently im past my prime.....cant keep up with all these linguistic changes with slang!!

[Wynnefieldest]

Amen!!!!

[Wynnefieldest]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

This is so true. You could DIE if you take Philly public transit. I myself have been murdered on almost a daily basis for the last ~20 years on transit. It was ESPECAILLY bad when I took regional rail! But then bringing my son to/from daycare on the Broad Street line - always dead. Now taking the trolleys to/from West Philly to work or on the weekend, there's nothing left of me but dental records for the police to identify my body! In college, I also use to take the night owl up Broad and transfer to the 23 bus around 3-4a (depending on the line at Max's Cheesesteak), and my friends and I were ALWAYS robbed, then drawn and quartered!

But let's be serious for a moment here. Cars are not safe either. No, the only safe way to travel (and if we're assuming your from the suburbs walking isn't an option because that is for plebs and plebs alone), then you really need to fly to Center City. Yes, the best option is clearly flying to Walnut Street. Only safe way to actually travel.

This Google thing is amazing….I can combat snark with cold hard facts!!

Passenger attacks another SEPTA rider with meat cleaver on late-night bus
The victim was able to wrestle the knife away from the stabber while on a southbound SEPTA Broad Street Line Owl bus around 2:30 a.m. on Oct. 17, 2024, Philadelphia police said
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/septa-bus-meat-cleaver-attack/4001809/


Ive been using SEPTA since I was in middle school. I’m shaken by the recent violence — and other community members are, too.
https://www.thetrace.org/2024/03/septa-gun-violence-philadelphia-essay/

Woman randomly attacks another woman waiting for bus in Center City, police say
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/loc...r-bus-in-center-city-police-say/4053605/


Transit crime is back as a top concern in Philly and other U.S. cities, and political leaders have taken notice
https://whyy.org/articles/philadelphia-transit-crime-mayor-parker-police-septa/


SEPTA workers experience some of the highest incidents of transit worker assaults nationwide, a federal agency says
https://www.phillytrib.com/news/local_ne...e87a85e-1b9c-5c8d-a9b7-d1eaa4062652.html

Man shot, injured on SEPTA train in Philadelphia after passenger attacked: Police
https://6abc.com/septa-shooting-broad-street-line-teenager-shot-philadelphia-police/14465674/

Nearly a dozen children have been hurt in the recent string of shootings. Mayor Parker vowed to “use every legal tool in the toolbox" to address the violence.
https://whyy.org/articles/philadelphia-shooting-today-septa-bus-stop-rising-sun-cottman-burholme/

Suspect charged after fight leads to man being killed by SEPTA train in University City
https://6abc.com/septa-philadelphia-death-train-accident-34th-street-station/14275183/

Police ID man wanted in connection with triple shooting on SEPTA bus in Philadelphia
https://whyy.org/articles/septa-bus-triple-shooting-man-identified/

[Wynnefieldest]

Originally Posted by reparcsyks

My condolences to you and your son. It cannot have been easy being murdered so many times. I recall being murdered, almost on a daily basis, with my toddler twin daughters on SEPTA.

How about you offer condolences for the real murder victims of this city?

Passenger attacks another SEPTA rider with meat cleaver on late-night bus
The victim was able to wrestle the knife away from the stabber while on a southbound SEPTA Broad Street Line Owl bus around 2:30 a.m. on Oct. 17, 2024, Philadelphia police said
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/septa-bus-meat-cleaver-attack/4001809/


Ive been using SEPTA since I was in middle school. I’m shaken by the recent violence — and other community members are, too.
https://www.thetrace.org/2024/03/septa-gun-violence-philadelphia-essay/

Woman randomly attacks another woman waiting for bus in Center City, police say
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/loc...r-bus-in-center-city-police-say/4053605/


Transit crime is back as a top concern in Philly and other U.S. cities, and political leaders have taken notice
https://whyy.org/articles/philadelphia-transit-crime-mayor-parker-police-septa/


SEPTA workers experience some of the highest incidents of transit worker assaults nationwide, a federal agency says
https://www.phillytrib.com/news/local_ne...e87a85e-1b9c-5c8d-a9b7-d1eaa4062652.html

Man shot, injured on SEPTA train in Philadelphia after passenger attacked: Police
https://6abc.com/septa-shooting-broad-street-line-teenager-shot-philadelphia-police/14465674/

Nearly a dozen children have been hurt in the recent string of shootings. Mayor Parker vowed to “use every legal tool in the toolbox" to address the violence.
https://whyy.org/articles/philadelphia-shooting-today-septa-bus-stop-rising-sun-cottman-burholme/

Suspect charged after fight leads to man being killed by SEPTA train in University City
https://6abc.com/septa-philadelphia-death-train-accident-34th-street-station/14275183/

Police ID man wanted in connection with triple shooting on SEPTA bus in Philadelphia
https://whyy.org/articles/septa-bus-triple-shooting-man-identified/

[Frontst17]

I’m so happy I personally don’t know any of you and that I leave my house to enjoy this terrific city I live in lol INCLUDING CHINATOWN. Some of you need to step outside and get some fresh air. Or therapy, your xenophobia is showing

[PHLtoNYC]

Originally Posted by Frontst17

I’m so happy I personally don’t know any of you and that I leave my house to enjoy this terrific city I live in lol INCLUDING CHINATOWN. Some of you need to step outside and get some fresh air. Or therapy, your xenophobia is showing

Besides the bizarre rants from Wynnefieldest, who is showing xenophobia?

[PurpleWhiteOut]

Originally Posted by Frontst17

I’m so happy I personally don’t know any of you and that I leave my house to enjoy this terrific city I live in lol INCLUDING CHINATOWN. Some of you need to step outside and get some fresh air. Or therapy, your xenophobia is showing

Genuinely this. The language that Chinatown residents are all the same and are all conniving grifters is gross. The language used to describe the neighborhood is gross too, while it's even clear that the city doesn't maintain infrastructure there as much as other places (there aren't even pedestrian crossing lights at most intersections still. People here have been calling anti-arena people a loud minority, and I'm telling you all, the opinions here are the loud minority out of step with the average resident, and I know a lot of people here don't even live in the city or nearby.

Also wynnfieldest, maybe it's time to log off and take a deep breath

[thoughtcriminal]

Mods, please make it stop.

[gjrip]

Delete lol

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by Wynnefieldest

This Google thing is amazing….I can combat snark with cold hard facts!!

Yes, your ability to use Google to develop an antidotal logic fallacy is...well, quite unimpressive. Look, I can do it too. You better not go to KOP because you WILL instantly die from all the CaR TraFfIc!



Police investigating fatal motorcycle crash in KOP
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/loc...g-fatal-motorcycle-crash-in-kop/3887416/

Two Killed in Car Accident on Valley Forge Park Rd
https://www.law-pa.com/king-of-prussia-pa-two-killed-in-car-accident-on-valley-forge-park-rd/

Women From Ambler, King Of Prussia Killed In 202 Parkway Accident
https://patch.com/pennsylvania/lansdale/women-ambler-king-prussia-killed-202-parkway-accident

Also, you probably should never leave your house because if there is a wind or any trees nearby, LOOK OUT!


Windy weather blamed for 2 deaths in southeastern Pennsylvania
https://www.wgal.com/article/pennsylvania-windy-weather-blamed-for-two-deaths/63120830

18-year-old dead after being hit by falling tree
https://www.wtae.com/article/trafford-westmoreland-tree-teenager-death/61510779

45-year-old dead after tree falls
https://abc45.com/news/nation-world/45-y...eton-township-debris-cleanup-fire-police

Obviously any death is tragic, but the point is your "facts" highlight flawed reasoning on your part. You cannot draw a conclusion from a few articles my dear sweet Chicken Little. If you want to look at the statistics or larger data that tells the full reality, many people on here would love to have that serious talk, but you need to present yourself as a serious person first.

[Wynnefieldest]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

Yes, your ability to use Google to develop an antidotal logic fallacy is...well, quite unimpressive. Look, I can do it too. You better not go to KOP because you WILL instantly die from all the CaR TraFfIc!



Police investigating fatal motorcycle crash in KOP
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/loc...g-fatal-motorcycle-crash-in-kop/3887416/

Two Killed in Car Accident on Valley Forge Park Rd
https://www.law-pa.com/king-of-prussia-pa-two-killed-in-car-accident-on-valley-forge-park-rd/

Women From Ambler, King Of Prussia Killed In 202 Parkway Accident
https://patch.com/pennsylvania/lansdale/women-ambler-king-prussia-killed-202-parkway-accident

Also, you probably should never leave your house because if there is a wind or any trees nearby, LOOK OUT!


Windy weather blamed for 2 deaths in southeastern Pennsylvania
https://www.wgal.com/article/pennsylvania-windy-weather-blamed-for-two-deaths/63120830

18-year-old dead after being hit by falling tree
https://www.wtae.com/article/trafford-westmoreland-tree-teenager-death/61510779

45-year-old dead after tree falls
https://abc45.com/news/nation-world/45-y...eton-township-debris-cleanup-fire-police

Obviously any death is tragic, but the point is your "facts" highlight flawed reasoning on your part. You cannot draw a conclusion from a few articles my dear sweet Chicken Little. If you want to look at the statistics or larger data that tells the full reality, many people on here would love to have that serious talk, but you need to present yourself as a serious person first.

Okay well then lets get specific here…..

For the period 2011-2013, there at least 13 fatal accidents on I-676
https://www.wapnernewman.com/vehicle-accidents/traffic-accidents/

In contrast

183 people fell on septa tracks in 2020
20 people died on SEPTA trains in 2018 and 2019
https://billypenn.com/2021/01/28/philade...ta-transit-deaths-injuries-homelessness/

SEPTA has reported 87 aggravated assaults, and 134 robberies in 2023
and 711 serious crimes were reported 2024
https://www.phillytrib.com/news/local_ne...0a%2033,dropping%20from%20230%20to%20134.

Violent crime are up 12% in District 6[Fashion District]
https://6abc.com/philadelphia-safety-philly-crime-center-city-brookings-institute-study/13114343/

So let's see…..4 accidents per year vs. 904 serious injuries assaults or death using SEPTA.
My math is not that great but it looks like my risk of harm is 226 times greater using public transportation than driving out to KOP.

So….yeah…no…..the logic is not so flawed after all.

[Wynnefieldest]

Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

Besides the bizarre rants from Wynnefieldest, who is showing xenophobia?

What is so bizarre about my posts? What that they don't agree with you? Is that Bizarre in your world? Because as far as I can tell my posts are on topic. So can you explain what's so "bizarre" about my posts? I'll be waiting for a reply Im sure will never come!

Because....you're just likely dog whistling to your little in circle that an outsider has different opions than you.

But here is a perfect example of the Philly NIMBY mentality and hostility toward any outsiders who don't tow the insular company line.

I know it well, lived in Philly 50 years.

[Raja]

Originally Posted by Wynnefieldest

What is so bizarre about my posts? What that they don't agree with you? Is that Bizarre in your world? Because as far as I can tell my posts are on topic. So can you explain what's so "bizarre" about my posts? I'll be waiting for a reply Im sure will never come!

Because....you're just likely dog whistling to your little in circle that an outsider has different opions than you.

But here is a perfect example of the Philly NIMBY mentality and hostility toward any outsiders who don't tow the insular company line.

I know it well, lived in Philly 50 years.

Apart from the hyperbole, you just look flat-out uninformed when you go on rants like this literally the same day that this kind of news comes out: https://www.phillytrib.com/news/local_ne...f75c779-8dd8-53f8-a981-70ce7fe26c29.html

[Wynnefieldest]

Originally Posted by Raja

Apart from the hyperbole, you just look flat-out uninformed when you go on rants like this literally the same day that this kind of news comes out: https://www.phillytrib.com/news/local_ne...f75c779-8dd8-53f8-a981-70ce7fe26c29.html

I haven't exaggerated anything. In fact I have provided statistics and links to support my claims. In fact, it is you that looks uninformed when you post one link which doesn't refute my original argument at all. That argument pertained to the market east area and why I would rather patronize KOP rather than jump on a septa train, as one poster suggested, where the likelihood of me being harmed is greatly increased. The stadium scratch is just one of a dozen nixed development projects that would have helped to clean up this part of the city and move it past being second tier.

[skyhigh07]

Originally Posted by Raja

Apart from the hyperbole, you just look flat-out uninformed when you go on rants like this literally the same day that this kind of news comes out: https://www.phillytrib.com/news/local_ne...f75c779-8dd8-53f8-a981-70ce7fe26c29.html

lol, good ole Larry.

“Thursday’s news comes seven months after Michael Untermeyer was appointed to be the special prosecutor tasked with investigating and prosecuting crimes on SEPTA, a move that was fiercely opposed by District Attorney Larry Krasner.“

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by Wynnefieldest

Okay well then lets get specific here…..

For the period 2011-2013, there at least 13 fatal accidents on I-676
https://www.wapnernewman.com/vehicle-accidents/traffic-accidents/

In contrast

183 people fell on septa tracks in 2020
20 people died on SEPTA trains in 2018 and 2019
https://billypenn.com/2021/01/28/philade...ta-transit-deaths-injuries-homelessness/

SEPTA has reported 87 aggravated assaults, and 134 robberies in 2023
and 711 serious crimes were reported 2024
https://www.phillytrib.com/news/local_ne...0a%2033,dropping%20from%20230%20to%20134.

Violent crime are up 12% in District 6[Fashion District]
https://6abc.com/philadelphia-safety-philly-crime-center-city-brookings-institute-study/13114343/

So let's see…..4 accidents per year vs. 904 serious injuries assaults or death using SEPTA.
My math is not that great but it looks like my risk of harm is 226 times greater using public transportation than driving out to KOP.

So….yeah…no…..the logic is not so flawed after all.

Yes, using a logical fallacy is flawed logic. Thank you for presenting some actual numbers that we can discuss like adults. That said, your numbers are flawed. It’s weird that you only picked on 676 and not any other roads. Despite you sticking only to fatalities on one specific road, your SEPTA metrics expand well beyond death to include falling on the tracks and serious crimes. Many types of car accidents can occur other than those leading to death that are bad, but still, I’ll play along.

You said you would DIE if you took Philly public transit, yes? Ok, you state that 20 people died on SEPTA trains in 2018 and 2019. Well, in 2018, there were 22.31M riders on SEPTA a month and that dropped to 21.809M/month in 2019 (https://www.economyleague.org/resources/...20SEPTA,%25%20according%20to%20the%20NTD). Assuming these 20 deaths occurred in one of those years (not over two years), that means you had a 1 in 13M chance of getting killed on SEPTA (if it was OVER two years, then that ridership number basically doubles, and decreases your odds of death by the same amount). For context, you are 69 times more likely to be hit by lightening (1 in 186,978) and 140,703 times more likely to die in a car accident (1 in 93).

But since you moved the goalposts, let’s play with all the other numbers you provided of bad things that can happen on SEPTA. Let's pretend that they all happened in the same year (they didn't) and that they're mutually exclusive accounts (maybe they are?).

183 people falling + 20 people dead + 87 aggravated assaults + 134 robberies + 711 serious crimes = 1,135 incidents. Assuming 2018 ridership of 267M, that’s a 1 in 235,877 chance of “something bad happening” to you on SEPTA. This is close to the chance of dying in an earthquake (1 in 204,785), but still far lower than getting hit by lightening or dying in a car accident (not injured in a car crash or getting in a fender bender, straight up death).

As I previously said, if you're scared of taking SEPTA, you shouldn't drive a car or even leave your house. It's simply too dangerous.

Here's my source, which includes multiple other odds of death
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-overview/odds-of-dying/

You’ll notice car deaths in the top 10 and “Railway passenger” at the bottom under too few to calculate.

[reparcsyks]

Damn, am I on Skyscraperpage or MurderedByWords? Thank you Groundhog for doing the work -- hopefully this silences him once and for all.

I will never understand why people who hate Center City choose to complain about Center City.

[Redddog]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

Yes, using a logical fallacy is flawed logic. Thank you for presenting some actual numbers that we can discuss like adults. That said, your numbers are flawed. It’s weird that you only picked on 676 and not any other roads. Despite you sticking only to fatalities on one specific road, your SEPTA metrics expand well beyond death to include falling on the tracks and serious crimes. Many types of car accidents can occur other than those leading to death that are bad, but still, I’ll play along.

You said you would DIE if you took Philly public transit, yes? Ok, you state that 20 people died on SEPTA trains in 2018 and 2019. Well, in 2018, there were 22.31M riders on SEPTA a month and that dropped to 21.809M/month in 2019 (https://www.economyleague.org/resources/...20SEPTA,%25%20according%20to%20the%20NTD). Assuming these 20 deaths occurred in one of those years (not over two years), that means you had a 1 in 13M chance of getting killed on SEPTA (if it was OVER two years, then that ridership number basically doubles, and decreases your odds of death by the same amount). For context, you are 69 times more likely to be hit by lightening (1 in 186,978) and 140,703 times more likely to die in a car accident (1 in 93).

But since you moved the goalposts, let’s play with all the other numbers you provided of bad things that can happen on SEPTA. Let's pretend that they all happened in the same year (they didn't) and that they're mutually exclusive accounts (maybe they are?).

183 people falling + 20 people dead + 87 aggravated assaults + 134 robberies + 711 serious crimes = 1,135 incidents. Assuming 2018 ridership of 267M, that’s a 1 in 235,877 chance of “something bad happening” to you on SEPTA. This is close to the chance of dying in an earthquake (1 in 204,785), but still far lower than getting hit by lightening or dying in a car accident (not injured in a car crash or getting in a fender bender, straight up death).

As I previously said, if you're scared of taking SEPTA, you shouldn't drive a car or even leave your house. It's simply too dangerous.

Here's my source, which includes multiple other odds of death
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-overview/odds-of-dying/

You’ll notice car deaths in the top 10 and “Railway passenger” at the bottom under too few to calculate.

You da man. See ya, Wynn.

[Jerryiz]

Hahaha

[mja]

It always puzzles me when people who apparently don't use a thing or go to a place will lecture people who do, that whatever it is is dangerous and awful.

As for the arena, I was ambivalent about the whole thing. I didn't think it would save Market East. I also didn't think it would kill Chinatown, rather ironically it would have likely preserved it, as if in amber. That said, long term, the city has the potential to do something cool at both districts, so crossing fingers they actually do something.

Also, I wouldn't put this on the protests at all--that doesn't pass the smell test. This was clearly a business negotiation that involved three separate professional sports leagues / teams, with Brian Roberts himself coming down from on high to get it done. This whole thing was a giant game of chicken between very very wealthy people, and the rest of us were simply along for the ride.