Statistics Canada Reports II

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Bingo.

Calgary is uniquely positioned and (reluctantly) perhaps the best choice in the country right now to move to if you want:

-urban
-suburban
-big city amenities at 1/2 the cost
-a great food scene
-an airport that pushes WAY above its weightless
-proximity to recreation
-job opps

You just have to accept that fact that you live in Flames country.

Actually Edmonton is somewhat more affordable. The only problem is Calgary is a better city,a s well as being close to the mountains.

[MolsonExport]

Toronto Monster:

Toronto CMA: 7,106,379
Hamilton CMA: 860,266
Oshawa CMA: 482,359
Total: 8,449,004

Watch out, Chicagoland. Toronto is going to eat your lunch soon.

Extended Golden Horseshoe:

Tor+Ham+Osh: 8,449,004
Brantford CMA: 173,530
Saint Catharines/Niagara CMA: 492,480
Peterborough CMA: 148,027
Barrie CMA: 245,586
Guelph CMA: 183,224
Kitchener-Waterloo CMA: 696,417
Total: 10,388,268

[niwell]

Breakdown of housing stats are interesting, aside from the unsurprising fact we are still not building enough. We often hear on this forum about the lack of ground-related housing (SFHs/semis/rows) in the GTA but proportionally we are still building quite a bit more of this than Montreal - about 25% vs just over 10%! Vancouver falls somewhere in between at 17%. Calgary and Edmonton are up there at 53% and 57% respectively.

I'd be curious to see a further breakdown of apartment units, particularly in low/mid-rise vs highrise construction. I suspect Montreal has a higher proportion of smaller buildings. I don't believe small-scale multiplex (less than 6 units) figures into the apartment category either unless I'm mistaken on statscan tracking. It's been a slow start in Toronto but the number of applications for 4plexes and laneway/backyard suites has exploded but probably won't see the full effect for a while. Anecdotally the conversion of older triplexes into SFHs has slowed and the opposite now seems more common - particularly on more major streets where SFHs aren't as desirable. Lots of 1-2 storey additions on traditional streetfront retail too - I can think of at least 5 examples within a short walk of our place alone.

[q12]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Toronto Monster:

Toronto CMA: 7,106,379
Hamilton CMA: 860,266
Oshawa CMA: 482,359
Total: 8,449,004

Watch out, Chicagoland. Toronto is going to eat your lunch soon.

Extended Golden Horseshoe:

Tor+Ham+Osh: 8,449,004
Brantford CMA: 173,530
Saint Catharines/Niagara CMA: 492,480
Peterborough CMA: 148,027
Barrie CMA: 245,586
Guelph CMA: 183,224
Kitchener-Waterloo CMA: 696,417
Total: 10,388,268

If your adding Peterborough might as well add London.

1. Toronto Extended Golden Horseshoe (including Hamilton and KW, London etc.) 11,014,528
2. Montreal 4,615,154
3. Vancouver 3,108,941
4. Calgary 1,778,881
5. Ottawa 1,660,269
6. Edmonton 1,631,614
7. Winnipeg 941,641
8. Quebec City 900,343
9. Halifax 530,167
10. Windsor, ON 483,566 (Part of Detroit Metro?) or Victoria, BC 441,491

[north 42]

^ Part of Detroit metro? What is that even supposed to mean?

[Coldrsx]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Actually Edmonton is somewhat more affordable. The only problem is Calgary is a better city,a s well as being close to the mountains.

'Better city'?

Edmonton has Jasper, but yes, a bit more of a hike and as a result far less stupidity with crowds and a proper getaway.

Both offer a lot for a little, albeit Calgary's prices are getting up there. I predict it will hit $1,000,000 before I retire.

[q12]

Even more fun with CMAs:

1. Toronto Extended Golden Horseshoe (including Hamilton and KW, London etc.) 11,014,528
2. Montreal, Ottawa, Quebec City, Trois Rivieres, Sherbrooke Extended 7,592,571
3. Vancouver, Victoria, Abbotsford, Kelowna, Kamloops, Chilliwack, Nanaimo Extended 3,964,937
4. Calgary Edmonton Red Deer Extended 3,523,254
5. Halifax Moncton Fredericton Saint John Extended 982,740
6. Winnipeg 941,641
7. Saskatoon Regina Extended 649,368

[q12]

Originally Posted by north 42

^ Part of Detroit metro? What is that even supposed to mean?

Just because Chicagoland was mentioned.

Windsor is part of a much bigger Metro like Toronto. This would put Windsor higher up the list if we made it a Canada/U.S. metro list.

[MolsonExport]

London is most definitely not a part of any extended metro, except its own. It stands there, almost alone, in SW Ontario, with nary a large twin or triplet or quadruplet (take that, KWCG...). What do we have as our hinterland? St. Thomas. Ingersoll. Strathroy. Woodstock (maybe). Everything else is a small town or village (e.g., Ilderton, Dorchester, Mt. Brydges, Lucan, Komoka, Killworth).

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

London is most definitely not a part of any extended metro, except its own. It stands there, almost alone, in SW Ontario, with nary a large twin (take that, KWCG...). What do we have as our hinterland? St. Thomas. Ingersoll. Strathroy. Woodstock (maybe). Everything else is a small town or village (e.g., Ilderton, Dorchester, Mt. Brydges, Lucan, Komoka, Killworth).

Fun fact. The current mayor of Moncton (2nd fastest growing CMA in the country after Calgary) is from Mount Brydges.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Fun fact. The current mayor of Moncton (2nd fastest growing CMA in the country after Calgary) is from Mount Brydges.

Fun fact: there is no mountain in Mount Brydges. I don't even think there is any sizable hill.

It is great to see Moncton on a roll. How are the housing prices there?

[jc_yyc_ca]

Originally Posted by Drybrain

In both Calgary and Kitchener, non-permanent residents were the biggest contributor to growth, but yes, it's probably safe to assume that in Kitchener's case that means a lot more students. Of Calgary's 100,000 new residents, 44,000 were non-permanent newcomers, so we have to consider that those growth numbers will be unwound through 2025 and 2026 as more non-permanent residents leave than come in.

In other words, growth to Calgary will drop substantially next year, as it will everywhere, but the city will probably still grow more than most others as long as the interprovincial gains stay strong--it had far and away the highest net interprovincial gains, with 20,000 people. Kitchener had a net loss of 1,900 (which is typical, only CMAs in Alberta, along with Ottawa, Saint John and Fredericton, experienced positive interprovincial growth last year. Even Halifax, a big interprovincial gainer in the 2022 and 2023, turned to a small net loss, even as the rest of NS experienced net growth.)

But I wonder: some of the biggest growth numbers this year were in cities with large numbers of non-permanent residents. As they leave, and their cohort isn't replaced, I wonder if we'll see those cities shrink slightly. Kitchener, for example, grew buy 33,000 people. 25,000 of those were non-permanent residents, and nearly another 10,000 were permanent residents. With PR intake going down by about 20 per cent, and NPR flatlining on net, a lot of cities that posted big numbers due to NPRs this year may be very flat in 2025. Not only Kitchener, of course, lots of places.

As we've seen in the past being a non-permanent resident, doesn't mean they'll automatically be leaving when the term is up. How many actually leave will be less then expected, but to your point, it will have an effect on the growth the next couple of years.
Where did you find the numbers for the non-permanent residents? I'm not disagreeing, I was curious abotu that myself.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Fun fact: there is no mountain in Mount Brydges. I don't even think there is any sizable hill.

It is great to see Moncton on a roll. How are the housing prices there?

There are lots of places in the Maritimes called "Mount This" or "Mount That" as well, located on land as flat as the Prairies.

We have two universities here with "Mount" in their names (Mount Allison and Mount Saint Vincent).

As for house prices, they are much higher than in the pre-COVID era, and, high enough for people to complain, but, still cheap enough that your typical Torontonian refugee could trade in his three bedroom bungalow for an executive home on a leafy suburban crescent and still have enough money left over for a beachside cottage.

[jc_yyc_ca]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

i recall when a certain (currently absent) forumer used to talk about the urban corridor between Edmonton and Calgary, as if it were a highly integrated, completely built-up urban landscape. Woot.

There's no highly urbanized corridor between Calgary and Edmonton yet, but it's evolving as the town and cities and between the two cities have seen a fair bit of growth. Also lots of talk about HSR between the two cities.

[LuluBobo]

Originally Posted by ericmacm

What is most surprising in the data to me is seeing Barrie and Kelowna coming close to overtaking Regina.

Regina is growing faster than Barrier or Kelowna.

[north 42]

Originally Posted by q12

Just because Chicagoland was mentioned.

Windsor is part of a much bigger Metro like Toronto. This would put Windsor higher up the list if we made it a Canada/U.S. metro list.

I see what you’re getting at, but Windsor is by no means part of Greater Detroit. It is more of a sister city to Detroit, but both have their own separate economies and vibe, even if there is an integration of our auto industries and some shared cultural elements.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by north 42

I see what you’re getting at, but Windsor is by no means part of Greater Detroit. It is more of a sister city to Detroit, but both have their own separate economies and vibe, even if there is an integration of our auto industries and some shared cultural elements.

That rapidly thickening border is a major impediment to making Windsor a Detroit suburb. I agree that it is more of a (smaller) sister city.

[LuluBobo]

When do we find out about boundary updates for the 2026 census?

Do we know if the Okotoks region will be added to the Calgary CMA?

[Drybrain]

Originally Posted by jc_yyc_ca

Where did you find the numbers for the non-permanent residents? I'm not disagreeing, I was curious abotu that myself.

From StatCan directly. Hours of data to pore through here.

[Wigs]

MolsonExport, I applaud you for being one of the few forumers to spell St. Catharines correctly. However it is always written "St." and not the full word, "Saint".


I'm amazed at how quickly Brampton and Surrey have both grown into gigantic suburbs. These two have to be among the largest suburbs in North America now.

Also stunned at how Oakville is over 200,000, approaching 250,000. Is it the wealthiest large suburb (>100k) of Canada?

In Niagara, Welland and St. Catharines always seemed to be near stagnant with population growth.
Now every municipality in Niagara is experiencing decent growth rates.

For the 3 largest municipalities in Niagara, the population estimates should be around:
St. Catharines - 150,000+
Niagara Falls - 106,000+
Welland - 63,000+

Welland will be on track to hit 70,000 before most residents even realize it's over 60k.
The city even earned an extra $573k in grant money from Ontario gov't "through the Building Faster Fund" for building so many new housing units. Almost 900 units were started in 2023, which exceeded the 2023 goal by 176%!
https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/10042...llion-for-exceeding-2023-housing-targets